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[Bombers798891]

82, just throwing this out there but IC did miss a FG as time expired in that game as well....

Yeh...I think they did 

From 36 with about 8 seconds left

[SJFF82]

taking points off the board is your classic case of Monday morning quarterbacking.

Ha, by the coachs or the fans?

FWIW, what does lasts decision and the 2005 decision in IC have in common?  

Coach Foster..

Yeh Pete Montemurno (SJF '96), the color guy on the 1280 broadcast pointed that out last night.   I spoke with him on the phone after the game and he told me that he couldnt help but point that out.

[theoriginalupstate]

taking points off the board is your classic case of Monday morning quarterbacking.

Ha, by the coachs or the fans?

FWIW, what does lasts decision and the 2005 decision in IC have in common?  

Coach Foster..

Yeh Pete Montemurno (SJF '96), the color guy on the 1280 broadcast pointed that out last night.   I spoke with him on the phone after the game and he told me that he couldnt help but point that out.

I like listening to him on the broadcasts, he gives a fair unbiased opinion even though he has SJF roots.  He shares the same views as me on the offense and it kind of suprised me he would come out and say that.  I've got alot of respect for him to say that even though he went to SJF and calls their games...

[SJFF82]

taking points off the board is your classic case of Monday morning quarterbacking.

"My coach sucks, he's an idiot!"

But Foster does suck and he is an idiot...he cost SJF the Del Val  play-off game in '04, in similiar style to the IC OT loss in 2005.  Had QB (was it Nick S.?) throwing a telegraphed out route with a bit over a minute to go and the lead and Del Val had no timeouts???  It got picked and Del Val scored for the second time in the last 4 mins.

[Bombers798891]

taking points off the board is your classic case of Monday morning quarterbacking.

Ha, by the coachs or the fans?

FWIW, what does lasts decision and the 2005 decision in IC have in common?  

Coach Foster..

Yeh Pete Montemurno (SJF '96), the color guy on the 1280 broadcast pointed that out last night.   I spoke with him on the phone after the game and he told me that he couldnt help but point that out.

I like listening to him on the broadcasts, he gives a fair unbiased opinion even though he has SJF roots.  He shares the same views as me on the offense and it kind of suprised me he would come out and say that.  I've got alot of respect for him to say that even though he went to SJF and calls their games...

That's the sign of a great broadcaster right there. I called games and halftimes for Ithaca when I was a student there and we got flak from people who complained that we weren't "supportive" enough of Ithaca when we were critical of decisions or predicted that Ithaca was going to lose. It's tough to put the fan in you aside, but it's what has to be done

[Yanks 99]

Interesting thought/question:

I don't think you can find fault with Hartwick's offense today, BUT, did it seem like they were trying to use Phelan as a decoy? 4 catches for 29 yards? That's it? I'm sure IC keyed on him defensively, but really, that's all your All-American can give you? I don't buy it. To me, it seemed like Wick just decided that they would try and make IC pay for locking on Phelan.

IC did that back in '88 in the Cortaca game with Mike Scott. It didn't work for them either

I don't think they were using Jack as a decoy.  IC keyed on him BIG TIME...and why wouldn't they.  Their second best receiver, Koreman, had a great game statistically...16 catches for 250 and 3 scores.  To me, it looked like IC dared 'Wick to go to someone besides Phelan...and 'Wick did.  What would you rather have them do, load up so Phelan gets his touches?  They were trying to win a football game.  Boltus is a pretty good QB, if there was an opportunity, I am sure he would have found it.  It just wasn't enough overall.

[HHawks]

Interesting thought/question:

I don't think you can find fault with Hartwick's offense today, BUT, did it seem like they were trying to use Phelan as a decoy? 4 catches for 29 yards? That's it? I'm sure IC keyed on him defensively, but really, that's all your All-American can give you? I don't buy it. To me, it seemed like Wick just decided that they would try and make IC pay for locking on Phelan.

IC did that back in '88 in the Cortaca game with Mike Scott. It didn't work for them either

I don't think they were using Jack as a decoy.  IC keyed on him BIG TIME...and why wouldn't they.  Their second best receiver, Koreman, had a great game statistically...16 catches for 250 and 3 scores.  To me, it looked like IC dared 'Wick to go to someone besides Phelan...and 'Wick did.  It just wasn't enough overall.

The one good thing to come out of yesterdays game, is that wick found a good second receiver. I was worried coming into the season that losing Crea would hurt in the passing game as teams would now be doubling Phelan, but with Koreman stepping up with such a huge game teams wont be able to just focus on Phelan.

[Bombers798891]

taking points off the board is your classic case of Monday morning quarterbacking.

"My coach sucks, he's an idiot!"

But Foster does suck and he is an idiot...he cost SJF the Del Val  play-off game in '04, in similiar style to the IC OT loss in 2005.  Had QB (was it Nick S.?) throwing a telegraphed out route with a bit over a minute to go and the lead and Del Val had no timeouts???  It got picked and Del Val scored for the second time in the last 4 mins.

82--

The game was tied at that point...SJF wasn't trying to run out the clock, they were trying to drive down the field to score. And behind every playcall where a telegraphed pass is thrown is a QB who didn't do a good job looking off his WR and didn't put enough on the out pass.

[Yanks 99]

Interesting thought/question:

I don't think you can find fault with Hartwick's offense today, BUT, did it seem like they were trying to use Phelan as a decoy? 4 catches for 29 yards? That's it? I'm sure IC keyed on him defensively, but really, that's all your All-American can give you? I don't buy it. To me, it seemed like Wick just decided that they would try and make IC pay for locking on Phelan.

IC did that back in '88 in the Cortaca game with Mike Scott. It didn't work for them either

I don't think they were using Jack as a decoy.  IC keyed on him BIG TIME...and why wouldn't they.  Their second best receiver, Koreman, had a great game statistically...16 catches for 250 and 3 scores.  To me, it looked like IC dared 'Wick to go to someone besides Phelan...and 'Wick did.  It just wasn't enough overall.

The one good thing to come out of yesterdays game, is that wick found a good second receiver. I was worried coming into the season that losing Crea would hurt in the passing game as teams would now be doubling Phelan, but with Koreman stepping up with such a huge game teams wont be able to just focus on Phelan.

I agree.  It was good to find that there are some guys coming into their own a little bit.  Tough one yesterday...two weeks to heal and prepare for Fisher though.   

[theoriginalupstate]

Interesting thought/question:

I don't think you can find fault with Hartwick's offense today, BUT, did it seem like they were trying to use Phelan as a decoy? 4 catches for 29 yards? That's it? I'm sure IC keyed on him defensively, but really, that's all your All-American can give you? I don't buy it. To me, it seemed like Wick just decided that they would try and make IC pay for locking on Phelan.

IC did that back in '88 in the Cortaca game with Mike Scott. It didn't work for them either

I don't think they were using Jack as a decoy.  IC keyed on him BIG TIME...and why wouldn't they.  Their second best receiver, Koreman, had a great game statistically...16 catches for 250 and 3 scores.  To me, it looked like IC dared 'Wick to go to someone besides Phelan...and 'Wick did.  What would you rather have them do, load up so Phelan gets his touches?  They were trying to win a football game.  Boltus is a pretty good QB, if there was an opportunity, I am sure he would have found it.  It just wasn't enough overall.

Boltus is a damn good QB and is going to find the open guy no matter who he is...

Best thing you can do is get as much pressure as possible on him and dont sit back letting him pick you apart....

[theoriginalupstate]

taking points off the board is your classic case of Monday morning quarterbacking.

"My coach sucks, he's an idiot!"

But Foster does suck and he is an idiot...he cost SJF the Del Val  play-off game in '04, in similiar style to the IC OT loss in 2005.  Had QB (was it Nick S.?) throwing a telegraphed out route with a bit over a minute to go and the lead and Del Val had no timeouts???  It got picked and Del Val scored for the second time in the last 4 mins.

He doesnt suck and he's certainly not an idiot.  I didnt agree with alot of what he did at SJF, but he brought stability to the offense for the most part.  He calls a good game except for 1/2 boneheaded calls a game that just seem to be the difference in tight games. 

The IC game in 2005, the bubble was killing the bombers and if you watch the replay Sooch was going to the inside guy at first on that play.  He double clutched it and threw a floater to Noah.  It was a good call just bad execution.

[Bombers798891]

Interesting thought/question:

I don't think you can find fault with Hartwick's offense today, BUT, did it seem like they were trying to use Phelan as a decoy? 4 catches for 29 yards? That's it? I'm sure IC keyed on him defensively, but really, that's all your All-American can give you? I don't buy it. To me, it seemed like Wick just decided that they would try and make IC pay for locking on Phelan.

IC did that back in '88 in the Cortaca game with Mike Scott. It didn't work for them either

I don't think they were using Jack as a decoy.  IC keyed on him BIG TIME...and why wouldn't they.  Their second best receiver, Koreman, had a great game statistically...16 catches for 250 and 3 scores.  To me, it looked like IC dared 'Wick to go to someone besides Phelan...and 'Wick did.  What would you rather have them do, load up so Phelan gets his touches?  They were trying to win a football game.  Boltus is a pretty good QB, if there was an opportunity, I am sure he would have found it.  It just wasn't enough overall.

Hey, no-one was being critical of the offense. It just seemed to me that for him to have one catch in the opening 52 minutes seemed like more than Ithaca keying on him. To me, that almost seems like they weren't looking his way. This guy caught 73 passes for a Division leading 1,628 yards, so I would imagine that he can get open regardless of a defensive strategy that looks to stop him. Ithaca plays a lot of soft, cover 2 stuff so I would think Phelan would have gotten some chances

[Jonny Utah]

taking points off the board is your classic case of Monday morning quarterbacking.

"My coach sucks, he's an idiot!"

But Foster does suck and he is an idiot...he cost SJF the Del Val  play-off game in '04, in similiar style to the IC OT loss in 2005.  Had QB (was it Nick S.?) throwing a telegraphed out route with a bit over a minute to go and the lead and Del Val had no timeouts???  It got picked and Del Val scored for the second time in the last 4 mins.

He doesnt suck and he's certainly not an idiot.  I didnt agree with alot of what he did at SJF, but he brought stability to the offense for the most part.  He calls a good game except for 1/2 boneheaded calls a game that just seem to be the difference in tight games. 

The IC game in 2005, the bubble was killing the bombers and if you watch the replay Sooch was going to the inside guy at first on that play.  He double clutched it and threw a floater to Noah.  It was a good call just bad execution.

I guess my point is that taking points off the board is a good decision and if it doesnt work and you criticize it, it is unfair.  I can agree with the karma arguement, but you have a better chance of scoring more points and basically the same chance of kicking again, it is a good move.

Its like in baseball if your down 1 run in the bottom of the ninth with the 9th batter at the plate with a .225 average and you pinch hit for him with a .300 hitter and then that .300 hitter strikes out.  Although you don't know what would have happened if the .225 hitter was up there, it was still a good move at the time to go with the .300 hitter.

[Bombers798891]

taking points off the board is your classic case of Monday morning quarterbacking.

"My coach sucks, he's an idiot!"

But Foster does suck and he is an idiot...he cost SJF the Del Val  play-off game in '04, in similiar style to the IC OT loss in 2005.  Had QB (was it Nick S.?) throwing a telegraphed out route with a bit over a minute to go and the lead and Del Val had no timeouts???  It got picked and Del Val scored for the second time in the last 4 mins.

He doesnt suck and he's certainly not an idiot.  I didnt agree with alot of what he did at SJF, but he brought stability to the offense for the most part.  He calls a good game except for 1/2 boneheaded calls a game that just seem to be the difference in tight games. 

The IC game in 2005, the bubble was killing the bombers and if you watch the replay Sooch was going to the inside guy at first on that play.  He double clutched it and threw a floater to Noah.  It was a good call just bad execution.

I guess my point is that taking points off the board is a good decision and if it doesnt work and you criticize it, it is unfair.  I can agree with the karma arguement, but you have a better chance of scoring more points and basically the same chance of kicking again, it is a good move.

Its like in baseball if your down 1 run in the bottom of the ninth with the 9th batter at the plate with a .225 average and you pinch hit for him with a .300 hitter and then that .300 hitter strikes out.  Although you don't know what would have happened if the .225 hitter was up there, it was still a good move at the time to go with the .300 hitter.

Johnny--

Absolutely. To me, you can't criticize a coach for making a good decision even if it doesn't work. From how I see it, UR's players deserve the criticism for that drive going nowhere. I think the question up for debate was, "Was taking points off the board here a good decision?" It seems to me that the posters here are divided on that

[Yanks 99]

Interesting thought/question:

I don't think you can find fault with Hartwick's offense today, BUT, did it seem like they were trying to use Phelan as a decoy? 4 catches for 29 yards? That's it? I'm sure IC keyed on him defensively, but really, that's all your All-American can give you? I don't buy it. To me, it seemed like Wick just decided that they would try and make IC pay for locking on Phelan.

IC did that back in '88 in the Cortaca game with Mike Scott. It didn't work for them either

I don't think they were using Jack as a decoy.  IC keyed on him BIG TIME...and why wouldn't they.  Their second best receiver, Koreman, had a great game statistically...16 catches for 250 and 3 scores.  To me, it looked like IC dared 'Wick to go to someone besides Phelan...and 'Wick did.  What would you rather have them do, load up so Phelan gets his touches?  They were trying to win a football game.  Boltus is a pretty good QB, if there was an opportunity, I am sure he would have found it.  It just wasn't enough overall.

Hey, no-one was being critical of the offense. It just seemed to me that for him to have one catch in the opening 52 minutes seemed like more than Ithaca keying on him. To me, that almost seems like they weren't looking his way. This guy caught 73 passes for a Division leading 1,628 yards, so I would imagine that he can get open regardless of a defensive strategy that looks to stop him. Ithaca plays a lot of soft, cover 2 stuff so I would think Phelan would have gotten some chances

It is all good.  From my end, I thought the IC defense did a great job on Phelan, and that opened it up for other players...yesterday, namely Koreman.  I saw a soft cover two, with the safey shifted over to Phelan, and saw quite a few times where a linebacker seemed to shade the same side as Phelan at the snap.  I think it speaks volumes of the type of player that IC thinks Phelan is.  I am not worried about Phelan's, or anyone elses, stats.  Tough one yesterday for Jack...but if you were to tell me that after two games he would have 17 catches, for over 300 yards, and 8 TD's...I would take it everytime.  Some games, personal stats and replaced with what is best fot the team.  I would take Boltus handing off every play yesterday for a win.  It didn't happen, unfortunately, so now we get to focus on Fisher.