FB: Empire 8

[theoriginalupstate]

Cant argue with DC's logic there.  I mean a loss by 30, even though its to MUC, is still a loss.  At some point you've got to hold it against them.  Grant it they were starting a QB/RB that were basically rookies, but still they didnt do anything positive on offense to be competitive in that game, if not for their D it would of gotten pretty bad. 

On the other hand they have made huge strides on offense from week 1 to week 4 and may have even gotten better on Defense, not allowing a TD to IC (just in case you forgot IC did hang 69 on HC) is pretty impressive.  All it takes is a game like this past week to get their confidence up on Offense for the rest of the season.  Hopefully Bailey can build on the IC game and cut down on his turnovers and put some points on the board early vs HC. 

[saxontad]

Pep,

Look forward to the homecoming festivities this weekend.  Hope to see you there.  I noticed that Morgan O'Brien rushed for over a hundred against Springfield.  Does this indicate that Hendrix is not fully recovered from whatever ailed him? Any other news?

Go Saxons!!

[superman57]

cmon guys... we are only 15 pages from catching the llpp

[theoriginalupstate]

cmon guys... we are only 15 pages from catching the llpp

I know, to spark some debate i present the following question...

Is SJF still just another Buff St, B-Port or any other school that has given IC a run over the years? 

If so or if not, why?

[fisheralum91]

wha wha whaaat?
upstate----u feelin ok?

[theoriginalupstate]

wha wha whaaat?
upstate----u feelin ok?

in other words is SJF here to stay or are they another buff state/brockport that takes a good run at IC but eventually fades away into suckitude

[boobyhasgameyo]

I think Fisher has far surpassed Buffalo State and Brockport's accomplishments of the late 90's early 2000's.  They never made the playoff runs Fisher has made, and they never did to Ithaca what Fisher has been doing to them.  In terms of the staying power, I won't even touch that because it turns into the same thing over and over again.  Just ask Jose lol. 


I will offer some other potential conversation starters.

How do you guys think the rest of the top 10 Eastern Region poll would have done against Mount Union the opening week.  Having Cortland, Delaware Valley, etc. travel to alliance for one beautiful Saturday.  My guess it would be blowout after blowout after blowout. 

[boobyhasgameyo]

By the way Jose, wasn't meant to be a shot against you.  I took a look at that and it might have been perceived that way. 

[fisheralum91]

well-- there is one team in the country that can say they beat them in the past year-----and with all due respect--that was a one time deal

[SJFF82]

dew----3rd in the east?
behind cortland and del val?
wow.
im not feelin the love!   

Cortland was high in the poll, they haven't lost, and they've beaten a couple of NJAC foes.

DelVal upsets two top 10 teams in consecutive weeks, convincingly against Salisbury, I might add.

How could Fisher jump those two? At the same time it would punish Cortland for beating the opponents they've faced.

so then you had Cortland ahead of SJF to start the season?  Otherwise, you either 'punished' them for beating Buff St and/UR or 'punished' them for their loss to the team that doesnt lose

How about (c) none of the above. He could have had Fisher ahead of Cortland to start the season and dropped Fisher only a couple spots after the MUC loss. I agree they shouldn't be "punished," but, at the end of the day, they lost by 30 points. You have to move teams ahead that beat their opponent.  If Fisher took MUC to OT or lost late in the game, it may have been different with Fisher staying status quo. I think #3 is right about where the Cards should be right now.

You have to take the good with the bad that comes from playing MUC. The bad being you may fall a couple of spots in a regional poll, the good is that Fisher is probably an at-large lock if they don't win the conference and go 8-2. I'd rather have the latter than some meaningless regional poll rank.

gobombers, please re-read my post and then yours...you agree with me to the letter.  You have misunderstood me and the subsequent posts have followed your lead.

I did not knock DC for using the MUC loss against SJF.  I simply posed an 'either or scenario'   Either he had Cortland ahead of SJF to start the season, such that they remain ahead of SJF having yet to lose OR he has 'punished' SJF for losing to MUC and/or their collective performance ag. Buff and UR.  It was a question posed to DC, not an affirmative statement that he wrongly punished SJF for their blowout loss to MUC.

Everyone else piled on by claiming that gobombers hit the nail on the head.  Problem is, that the nail isnt really a nail, it is a screw.  Gobombers just simply illustrated my point, that DC EITHER had Cortland ahead of SJF to start OR bumped them past SJF upon the MUC loss....NOW WE KNOW IT WAS THE LATTER ACCORDING TO GOBOMBERS.

[SJFF82]

cmon guys... we are only 15 pages from catching the llpp

I know, to spark some debate i present the following question...

Is SJF still just another Buff St, B-Port or any other school that has given IC a run over the years? 

If so or if not, why?

Did either Buff St. or B-Port ever monkey stomp IC 3 years in a row, or ever hold them out of the end-zone?

[JQV]

Upsate, I'll take the bait since I have somehow become the voice of this argument.

I think Brockport and Buff State were separate animals even though they are easily lumped together.  It is easier (and more logical to take them apart).

'Port was basically a run built on one strong recruiting class.  It only lasted from 2000 to 2003 (beat IC three straight from 2000-2002 and made at least one playoff run in there somewhere.)  EDIT: They went to the East Region final in 2001.

Fisher has clearly escaped this category by turning over all their important parts (I think it is fair to count this year as the key season for that question given the apparent replacement of Stepnik, Robinson, Fehrenbach and Kramer).

Buff State had more staying power posing a real threat to IC from 1992-2000.  Clearly the length of time is proof that they turned over their roster several times.  It is hard to use IC as the measuring stick for some of those Buff State teams because, for reasons passing understanding, some genius decided to move the Cortaca Jug game to the second-to-last weekend of the season and finish up with Buff State.  It was evident to a lot of people that know more about football than me that the buildup to the Jug left IC flat for the Buff State game the following week.

Either way, Fisher can't have reached this level of success yet because, in my mind at least, their current run started in 2006 when Kramer took over the team for good (although a good argument could be made the real building blocks were put in place in 2004 or 2005).  That doesn't mean they won't reach it, they simply haven't had the opportunity to turn over their roster a couple of times to prove they are here to stay.

[Pat Coleman]

How do you guys think the rest of the top 10 Eastern Region poll would have done against Mount Union the opening week. 

You mean if you combined all 10 teams?

[JQV]

Did either Buff St. or B-Port ever monkey stomp IC 3 years in a row, or ever hold them out of the end-zone?

Both actually had win streaks against IC of at least 3 games.

Yet, we're still here. 

[JQV]

By the way Jose, wasn't meant to be a shot against you.  I took a look at that and it might have been perceived that way. 

No reason to apologize.  I don't take anyone that seriously anyway.

+k.