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[Bombers798891]

Yanks99....just concede so we can all go to bed

Yanks99....just concede so we can all go to bed

Hahaha...you kidding me?  My wife is away this weekend and there is no way I am missing the 3rd straight Sportscenter in a row right now...

Yanks--

Was Tremlett a local kid? Why in the world do you remember an average--at best--corner from an IC team from 10 years ago? Did he do something in the ECAC game--like cover someone?

Rome I believe...which is close to where I grew up.  I always thought he was pretty good.  May have had some bad games, but from what I recall, stepped on campus and was a solid corner from day 1.  I thought he had some offers too coming out of HS...Maine, NH, etc...

Haha. Tremlett was solid. I just haven't forgiven him for that Buff. State debacle. The whole TCNJ nightmare could have been avoided had they won that game. Of course, Welch never did much against Boyes. Boyes becoming their AD was the best thing that ever happened to Welch

[SJFF82]

Wow...'we' are 2 pages ahead of the LLPP...if Wick keeps beating SJF year-in and year-out, the LLPP will not stand a chance

[SJFF82]

good night fellas....good luck to all tomorrow in your HEAD TO HEAD matchups  .  K to all around

peace 82

[Bombers798891]

So...

Anyone got any thoughts on Wick/SJF?

[dewcrew88]

So, while I hate to divert attention away from the three day SJF-Wick ****ing match, I had a question: What do people think of these ECAC playoff games? I've never been a big fan. I remember three that Ithaca was in: 1998 and 2004 when they felt slighted by the NCAA selection committee and obliterated some teams up at Butterfield--the actual quote from our Sport Radio meeting before the 2004 game was "Poor Mass Dartmouth. They've got to come all the way here just to get obliterated." Hilarious.

(Topped only by the quote before Utica's innagural trip up to IC in 2001: "May God have mercy on their souls.")

But it's not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot. Following a late season collapse in 1999, IC went  up to Union and lost 31-7, in a game that apparently no seniors wanted to play in.

It seems to me, that's how 90% of these games are. You've either got one disinterested team or one team so fired up that there's no chance. Remember when Cortland was in the top 15 in the country in 2006 and got smited by a 6-3 RPI team at home? I don't know. I suppose it can be nice to play one last game for some guys, but heck, in the 2004 IC game, students weren't even there--it was break. Anyone got thoughts on these? I'm for ditching them. I'd start a poll but don't know how...

That part in bold hurts.  

[Yanks 99]

So...

Anyone got any thoughts on Wick/SJF?

Hahaha...yeah...it has kind of been dead here on that topic tonight...

I'm out E8...here is to expecting us to be having the same exact conversations at this point again tomorrow...

[Bombers798891]

So, while I hate to divert attention away from the three day SJF-Wick ****ing match, I had a question: What do people think of these ECAC playoff games? I've never been a big fan. I remember three that Ithaca was in: 1998 and 2004 when they felt slighted by the NCAA selection committee and obliterated some teams up at Butterfield--the actual quote from our Sport Radio meeting before the 2004 game was "Poor Mass Dartmouth. They've got to come all the way here just to get obliterated." Hilarious.

(Topped only by the quote before Utica's innagural trip up to IC in 2001: "May God have mercy on their souls.")

But it's not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot. Following a late season collapse in 1999, IC went  up to Union and lost 31-7, in a game that apparently no seniors wanted to play in.

It seems to me, that's how 90% of these games are. You've either got one disinterested team or one team so fired up that there's no chance. Remember when Cortland was in the top 15 in the country in 2006 and got smited by a 6-3 RPI team at home? I don't know. I suppose it can be nice to play one last game for some guys, but heck, in the 2004 IC game, students weren't even there--it was break. Anyone got thoughts on these? I'm for ditching them. I'd start a poll but don't know how...

That part in bold hurts.  

Yeah I imagine. I did the halftime analysis for that game for IC's radio station and, unfortunately, you just kind of had to say, "Utica doesn't stand a chance." I got asked what the keys to the second half were and all I could think to say was "I hope no-one important blows an ACL." It's not really a lot of fun watching, or broadcasting those games. But there's not a whole lot to be done either.

[dewcrew88]

If SJF doesn't get the E8 bid, they need other pool C teams to have 2 losses and I think they can make it. 

Really?... has a three loss team ever taken a pool C Bid? 

Dont know, but they should get some credit for playing the top team in the country.  And that game vs. MUC (and Salsbury) aren't considered (or reviewed for primary criteria on pool C selection.

I mean, who do you take if it comes down to WPI at 8-2 (with losses to RPI and Hobart) or SJF (with losses to Wick, MUC and Salsbury)?  I mean, you wouldn't be that wrong taking SJF but I could see an argument for either side right?

Or what if Hobart is 7-2?  You could even have Hobart winning that league and have a 8-1 RPI team.  

If SJF wins out they'll be 7-1 in region so they could be in line for one if other pool C candidates start dropping in region games....

Right now you gotta figure that the NJAC is going to get a Pool C w/ either Montclair or Rowan getting it.

I see the LL teams knocking each other off as WPI still has to play Bart and Bart still has to play WPI AND RPI.  If RPI wins out and Hobart wins vs WPI it will give their runner up 2 in-region losses.

In the MAC its in SJF's best interest to see DVC win out and take the conference so everyone else in the MAC ends up with 2 in region losses.

So lets say:

-IC wins the E8 on tiebreaker.

-RPI Runs the table.

-Cortland wins the NJAC and Rowan wins out.

-DVC wins out and takes the MAC.

-SJF wins out as well.

I see the NCAA giving the Region to Muhlenburgh!!

1) Muhlenburgh
2) Cortland
3) RPI
4) DVC
5) Ithaca
6) Rowan
7) Curry
8) SJF

Thoughts?

Nope. A 10-0 Cortland is a number 1 seed in the East, I would believe. Wins over all the conference members plus a possible E8 champ Ithaca would be good enough.

Technically, he hasn't put Cortland at 10-0. All he said is that both IC and C-State win their conference. I would imagine you're right with State if they go 10-0 though...

RPI at 9-0 would be the 2 seed. Muhlenberg wouldn't be in the East, I don't think.

[dewcrew88]

So, while I hate to divert attention away from the three day SJF-Wick ****ing match, I had a question: What do people think of these ECAC playoff games? I've never been a big fan. I remember three that Ithaca was in: 1998 and 2004 when they felt slighted by the NCAA selection committee and obliterated some teams up at Butterfield--the actual quote from our Sport Radio meeting before the 2004 game was "Poor Mass Dartmouth. They've got to come all the way here just to get obliterated." Hilarious.

(Topped only by the quote before Utica's innagural trip up to IC in 2001: "May God have mercy on their souls.")

But it's not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot. Following a late season collapse in 1999, IC went  up to Union and lost 31-7, in a game that apparently no seniors wanted to play in.

It seems to me, that's how 90% of these games are. You've either got one disinterested team or one team so fired up that there's no chance. Remember when Cortland was in the top 15 in the country in 2006 and got smited by a 6-3 RPI team at home? I don't know. I suppose it can be nice to play one last game for some guys, but heck, in the 2004 IC game, students weren't even there--it was break. Anyone got thoughts on these? I'm for ditching them. I'd start a poll but don't know how...

That part in bold hurts.  

Yeah I imagine. I did the halftime analysis for that game for IC's radio station and, unfortunately, you just kind of had to say, "Utica doesn't stand a chance." I got asked what the keys to the second half were and all I could think to say was "I hope no-one important blows an ACL." It's not really a lot of fun watching, or broadcasting those games. But there's not a whole lot to be done either.

Yeah. Wasn't that the game that Matt Tosh broke the freshman record (and maybe IC's too) for punt return yards... I swear he had about 220 and two touchdowns in the 66-0 mess.

[Bombers798891]

So, while I hate to divert attention away from the three day SJF-Wick ****ing match, I had a question: What do people think of these ECAC playoff games? I've never been a big fan. I remember three that Ithaca was in: 1998 and 2004 when they felt slighted by the NCAA selection committee and obliterated some teams up at Butterfield--the actual quote from our Sport Radio meeting before the 2004 game was "Poor Mass Dartmouth. They've got to come all the way here just to get obliterated." Hilarious.

(Topped only by the quote before Utica's innagural trip up to IC in 2001: "May God have mercy on their souls.")

But it's not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot. Following a late season collapse in 1999, IC went  up to Union and lost 31-7, in a game that apparently no seniors wanted to play in.

It seems to me, that's how 90% of these games are. You've either got one disinterested team or one team so fired up that there's no chance. Remember when Cortland was in the top 15 in the country in 2006 and got smited by a 6-3 RPI team at home? I don't know. I suppose it can be nice to play one last game for some guys, but heck, in the 2004 IC game, students weren't even there--it was break. Anyone got thoughts on these? I'm for ditching them. I'd start a poll but don't know how...

That part in bold hurts.  

Yeah I imagine. I did the halftime analysis for that game for IC's radio station and, unfortunately, you just kind of had to say, "Utica doesn't stand a chance." I got asked what the keys to the second half were and all I could think to say was "I hope no-one important blows an ACL." It's not really a lot of fun watching, or broadcasting those games. But there's not a whole lot to be done either.

Yeah. Wasn't that the game that Matt Tosh broke the freshman record (and maybe IC's too) for punt return yards... I swear he had about 220 and two touchdowns in the 66-0 mess.

Yes it was...206 i believe...six yards short of the all-time, all division record. I felt kind of bad. I went to high school with Jeff Welch, who is a good friend of mine, and even though he was good at returning punts, after that game, there was really no hope for him....so he became a great WR instead, Tosh became a corner, and I maintain his injury in 2004 cost IC the SJF game...Welch actually had to play some CB in the 2001 playoff game against RPI as well...ok I am rambiling. Night all.

[BoSox0322]

that kid baker from buff state was out of control though...

sounds like the arguement is with both records at 7 and 1

sjf - ithaca win and success in recent playoffs

wick - head to head win vs fisher

i would take head to head any day of the week... but the ithaca tcnj/ic arguement is exactly that same scenario... so i guess we'll see

[AUPepBand]

Now that this discussion has given E8 the boost to surpass the LL in posting pages, Pep will add his two cents and say all the debating in the world on these boards will have none effect on a committee that has its own mind. Even NCAA Regional Rankings--arguably more important than any polls because they constitute the NCAA "poll" if you will--can be ignored in the committee's deliberations.

Pep has learned over the years that most anything can (and will) happen when it comes to the tournament selection committee. One can only hope that aside from an AQ, one's team will win all the games it can and find favor in the eyes of said committee.

[theoriginalupstate]

Now that this discussion has given E8 the boost to surpass the LL in posting pages, Pep will add his two cents and say all the debating in the world on these boards will have none effect on a committee that has its own mind. Even NCAA Regional Rankings--arguably more important than any polls because they constitute the NCAA "poll" if you will--can be ignored in the committee's deliberations.

Pep has learned over the years that most anything can (and will) happen when it comes to the tournament selection committee. One can only hope that aside from an AQ, one's team will win all the games it can and find favor in the eyes of said committee.

Yeah, the committee did screw over a very good AU squad a couple years ago (2005 in the Keeley revenge game).  Their only in region loss was at IC, they did had an out of region loss to a 7-3 Wash & Lee.  They should of been in, they were playing some really great football at the time.

[theoriginalupstate]

In non-NCAA talk here's an awesome article about a SJF player from todays Democrat & Chronicle:

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20081025/SPORTS09/810250364&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL

[fisheralum91]

wow- you guys were busy last night--
sheesh

yanks im a new hartford alum
you a local too?