FB: Empire 8

[maxpower]

Players graduate when they gradute.

Brilliant. +k.

[SJFF82]

Players graduate when they gradute.

Brilliant. +k.

Bombers stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

[ICemanJK]

Pep was in Ithaca Saterday for the Bombers' 42-7 win over Utica. The Bombers were already up 21-0 when Pep arrived. Dismal rainy day but warm. Sparse crowd. Three FDCers...understandably difficult to recruit new members to come out and stand in the rain. Not a lot of interest in seeing Ithaca versus Utica. The IC Pep Band was in usual good form.

The FDC has been hard to conjure this year.  The turn out was feeble from week 1.  Homecoming was alright considering a few FDC alums showed up.  None from IC made it to Growney, which we usually get good turn out for.  A lot of it might have to do with the orange hat not being on campus.  Having the leader of the FDC in Rochester doesn't help the cause. We'll of course get plenty of support for Cortaca, but as a whole this year's FDC has been a disappointment.

[SJFF82]

Am I correct in stating that in determining the teams for the Regions for playoffs, the at large bids are selected regardless of what regions teams are in?  In other words, if the Committee determines that beyond the 5 autos from the East conferences, there are no other worthy teams for at large selection, they can and will go to any other region to fill the final 3 for the east?  If so, then the non-automatics of the east, possibly 'Wick, SJF, Rowan/Montclair (assuming Cortland gets the auto), Hobart (assuming RPI), ETC... are competing not just against eachother for the East's final 3 spots, but against the Salisbury's and Muhlenberg's of the 'world' also?

Any input would be appreciated!  ie: Frank/PC

[Knightstalker]

Pool C teams are selected from the remaining Pool A conference teams and the remaining Pool B conference teams.  From what has been explained for basketball the committee looks at the final regional rankings after the Pool A and B teams have been selected.  They then compare the highest ranked team from each region and award the C bid to the most qualified team.  That team is then removed from the regional rankings and the next team in that region moves up.  IE, the AQ's and B's are awarded, now the committee looks at the 4 regions.  The top teams are say Rowan, Salisbury, Capital and Linfield.  The committee selects Rowan, IC was second in the east, IC is then measured against Salisbury, Capital and Linfield, they select Linfield, another west team moves up.  The brackets and seeding are done after the selections are made, they try to reward the best teams but sometimes due to budget and travel constraints a lesser team might end up hosting.

[Pat Coleman]

Am I correct in stating that in determining the teams for the Regions for playoffs, the at large bids are selected regardless of what regions teams are in? 

Correct. The FAQ covers this, of course.

[Jonny Utah]

Pep was in Ithaca Saterday for the Bombers' 42-7 win over Utica. The Bombers were already up 21-0 when Pep arrived. Dismal rainy day but warm. Sparse crowd. Three FDCers...understandably difficult to recruit new members to come out and stand in the rain. Not a lot of interest in seeing Ithaca versus Utica. The IC Pep Band was in usual good form.

The FDC has been hard to conjure this year.  The turn out was feeble from week 1.  Homecoming was alright considering a few FDC alums showed up.  None from IC made it to Growney, which we usually get good turn out for.  A lot of it might have to do with the orange hat not being on campus.  Having the leader of the FDC in Rochester doesn't help the cause. We'll of course get plenty of support for Cortaca, but as a whole this year's FDC has been a disappointment.

There needs to be multiple kegs with promises to freshman girls free drinks in the Terrace parking lot.  Then, before the night of the game, a hose shoud run from each keg to the top seats in the bleachers in the top left of Butterfield..or that portable set of stands that used to be there right next to it.  Hell, maybe the FDC should rent an ambulance, pretend that they are just there as a precaution but instead have a few kegs stashed in there?

And I only say freshman girls because they are the easiest to trick into thinking something cool is going on that they might miss. 

[AUPepBand]

Pep was in Ithaca Saterday for the Bombers' 42-7 win over Utica. The Bombers were already up 21-0 when Pep arrived. Dismal rainy day but warm. Sparse crowd. Three FDCers...understandably difficult to recruit new members to come out and stand in the rain. Not a lot of interest in seeing Ithaca versus Utica. The IC Pep Band was in usual good form.

The FDC has been hard to conjure this year.  The turn out was feeble from week 1.  Homecoming was alright considering a few FDC alums showed up.  None from IC made it to Growney, which we usually get good turn out for.  A lot of it might have to do with the orange hat not being on campus.  Having the leader of the FDC in Rochester doesn't help the cause. We'll of course get plenty of support for Cortaca, but as a whole this year's FDC has been a disappointment.

There needs to be multiple kegs with promises to freshman girls free drinks in the Terrace parking lot.  Then, before the night of the game, a hose shoud run from each keg to the top seats in the bleachers in the top left of Butterfield..or that portable set of stands that used to be there right next to it.  Hell, maybe the FDC should rent an ambulance, pretend that they are just there as a precaution but instead have a few kegs stashed in there?

And I only say freshman girls because they are the easiest to trick into thinking something cool is going on that they might miss. 

Pep thinks JU would be an outstanding "advisor" for FDC. Seems he has a great recruiting scheme.

+K

[SJFF82]

Pool C teams are selected from the remaining Pool A conference teams and the remaining Pool B conference teams.  From what has been explained for basketball the committee looks at the final regional rankings after the Pool A and B teams have been selected.  They then compare the highest ranked team from each region and award the C bid to the most qualified team.  That team is then removed from the regional rankings and the next team in that region moves up.  IE, the AQ's and B's are awarded, now the committee looks at the 4 regions.  The top teams are say Rowan, Salisbury, Capital and Linfield.  The committee selects Rowan, IC was second in the east, IC is then measured against Salisbury, Capital and Linfield, they select Linfield, another west team moves up.  The brackets and seeding are done after the selections are made, they try to reward the best teams but sometimes due to budget and travel constraints a lesser team might end up hosting.

Thanks KS, I am a little confused though...Under that example, what happens if the Committee determines that the top 2-3 teams in one region (not selected with AQ's and Pool B) are stronger C candidates than the top team left in another region?  For example...lets say Rowan is the East's top C candidate after AQ's and Pool B selections...and lets say Capital and Wheaton are the top 2 in the North after AQ's and Pool B...and lets say that the committee considers both Wheaton and Capital stronger Pool C's than Rowan?  Under your example, it appears that Rowan would be gaining consideration ahead of Wheaton or Capital just because that Wheaton and Capital happen to both be from the same region?  Dont they just throw all the remaining candidates on the table and select the best remaining regardless of region?

[Knightstalker]

82, they would compare Rowan against Capital, if they chose Capital then Wheaton gets compared against Rowan and the other 2 top seeds.  There are criteria they have to follow which is explained in the FAQ.  Also go to the multi-region boards, there are pool C threads that explain the selection process.

[Frank Rossi]

Pool C teams are selected from the remaining Pool A conference teams and the remaining Pool B conference teams.  From what has been explained for basketball the committee looks at the final regional rankings after the Pool A and B teams have been selected.  They then compare the highest ranked team from each region and award the C bid to the most qualified team.  That team is then removed from the regional rankings and the next team in that region moves up.  IE, the AQ's and B's are awarded, now the committee looks at the 4 regions.  The top teams are say Rowan, Salisbury, Capital and Linfield.  The committee selects Rowan, IC was second in the east, IC is then measured against Salisbury, Capital and Linfield, they select Linfield, another west team moves up.  The brackets and seeding are done after the selections are made, they try to reward the best teams but sometimes due to budget and travel constraints a lesser team might end up hosting.

Thanks KS, I am a little confused though...Under that example, what happens if the Committee determines that the top 2-3 teams in one region (not selected with AQ's and Pool B) are stronger C candidates than the top team left in another region?  For example...lets say Rowan is the East's top C candidate after AQ's and Pool B selections...and lets say Capital and Wheaton are the top 2 in the North after AQ's and Pool B...and lets say that the committee considers both Wheaton and Capital stronger Pool C's than Rowan?  Under your example, it appears that Rowan would be gaining consideration ahead of Wheaton or Capital just because that Wheaton and Capital happen to both be from the same region?  Dont they just throw all the remaining candidates on the table and select the best remaining regardless of region?

They have that option, but the KS method is something I've heard before.  However, what you stated doesn't make sense -- if Wheaton and Capital are both considered better than Rowan, then one would get picked (assuming Wheaton/Capital and Rowan were the top two teams at the top of their respective regions), and then the other would move up and likely be picked in the next pick.  Whether or not Rowan gets immediate consideration is a bit of a non-starter if they are indeed inferior in such a scenario.

[SJFF82]

Pool C teams are selected from the remaining Pool A conference teams and the remaining Pool B conference teams.  From what has been explained for basketball the committee looks at the final regional rankings after the Pool A and B teams have been selected.  They then compare the highest ranked team from each region and award the C bid to the most qualified team.  That team is then removed from the regional rankings and the next team in that region moves up.  IE, the AQ's and B's are awarded, now the committee looks at the 4 regions.  The top teams are say Rowan, Salisbury, Capital and Linfield.  The committee selects Rowan, IC was second in the east, IC is then measured against Salisbury, Capital and Linfield, they select Linfield, another west team moves up.  The brackets and seeding are done after the selections are made, they try to reward the best teams but sometimes due to budget and travel constraints a lesser team might end up hosting.

Thanks KS, I am a little confused though...Under that example, what happens if the Committee determines that the top 2-3 teams in one region (not selected with AQ's and Pool B) are stronger C candidates than the top team left in another region?  For example...lets say Rowan is the East's top C candidate after AQ's and Pool B selections...and lets say Capital and Wheaton are the top 2 in the North after AQ's and Pool B...and lets say that the committee considers both Wheaton and Capital stronger Pool C's than Rowan?  Under your example, it appears that Rowan would be gaining consideration ahead of Wheaton or Capital just because that Wheaton and Capital happen to both be from the same region?  Dont they just throw all the remaining candidates on the table and select the best remaining regardless of region?

They have that option, but the KS method is something I've heard before.  However, what you stated doesn't make sense -- if Wheaton and Capital are both considered better than Rowan, then one would get picked (assuming Wheaton/Capital and Rowan were the top two teams at the top of their respective regions), and then the other would move up and likely be picked in the next pick.  Whether or not Rowan gets immediate consideration is a bit of a non-starter if they are indeed inferior in such a scenario.

correct, I thought of that as I was posting it, but was too lazy to change it and I actually thought of you being the one to catch that

[SJF Fan]

I've been thinking about this for a while, and am just ready to say it:

The reason why Fish is 5-3 and not 7-1 is because we have a d-cooridnator that is green and hasn't learned how to close a game out.

when you have leads in the 4th qtr you have to win that game or make sure it is never going to be in doubt. 

That falls on the D-coach.  Who appears to get paralyzed with fear with the game on the line at precisely the time the pressure needs to be stepped up.  Press in the 4th qtr. -- no more sitting back.

They should have went with a proven commodity in this role.

[Frank Rossi]

I've been thinking about this for a while, and am just ready to say it:

The reason why Fish is 5-3 and not 7-1 is because we have a d-cooridnator that is green and hasn't learned how to close a game out.

when you have leads in the 4th qtr you have to win that game or make sure it is never going to be in doubt. 

That falls on the D-coach.  Who appears to get paralyzed with fear with the game on the line at precisely the time the pressure needs to be stepped up.  Press in the 4th qtr. -- no more sitting back.

They should have went with a proven commodity in this role.

Interesting email address -- and only two posts, eh?  Hmmm.... Ax to grind bud???

[maxpower]

I think it's Upstate under a pseudonym....




PS- It took me four tries to spell that right.