FB: Empire 8

[fishfan]

Clown says, go to a game and buy a program. Both cb's are seniors.

[fisheralum91]

alum91 says - he still goes to games and never mentioned cbs
what gives fishfan
arent we rooting for the same team?

[theoriginalupstate]

Clown says, go to a game and buy a program. Both cb's are seniors.

They're first year starters....

assclown...

[dlippiel]

Fisher should leave the E8 and join the LL.

Why the NEFC is the new conference on the map man. They are the deepest top to bottom and have a proverbial national power in Curry (oops as of last week now Plymouth St)? man forget the LL go for the NEFC. The NEFC grinds out a tough in conference schedule each year and plays against the best Pop Warner OOC teams in the country and beats them all. fishfan I think you should rethink this today.

['gro]

Fisher should leave the E8 and join the LL.

If The E8 can't find a team to replace Norwich, do the teams (football only) disband to find other conferences as affiliate members or just stick it out in Pool B?

[Jonny Utah]

Fisher should leave the E8 and join the LL.

If The E8 can't find a team to replace Norwich, do the teams (football only) disband to find other conferences as affiliate members or just stick it out in Pool B?

I have a feeling that one of those upstate NJAC teams will leave to join the E8.  I don't see any of the teams leaving to join other conferences though.  Id see them more just playing an indy schedule and go for the pool B slot.  But the east would probably add one of those spots too I would assume. 

And I think the e8 still gets their pool A bid for a couple years after Norwich leaves anyway.

[fisheralum91]

dumb question- but why would the e8 lose its aq when norwich leaves?

[fisheralum91]

From the Utica OD

St. John Fisher (5-3) at Utica (2-5), 1:30 p.m.

The Pioneers lost 42-7 to No. 24 Ithaca, but coach Blaise Faggiano liked a lot of what he saw.
Now his Pioneers have to face another Empire 8 power in Fisher, where Faggiano coached the coached the last nine years, recruiting quite a few of the Cardinal players.

"Our guys get excited about these games," he said. "We aspire to be Ithaca and St. John Fisher. Right now we're a little bit young."

UC again will go with freshman quarterback Mike Clark, who rushed 17 times for 85 yards against the Bombers. He completed just 7 of 19 passes for 52 yards, but Faggiano counted eight drops by the receivers.

"He has a strong arm, he ran the option and he had a great week of practice," Faggiano said in explaining his decision to start the freshman. "We went with youth. Our older players know it and accept it. The team is a close team."

Faggiano continues to see good things in his young players – freshmen Billy Northey, Tyler Maligasi and Tyler Olles were praised – and was especially happy that his junior varsity team defeated Ithaca in three overtimes Sunday.

Fisher is led by quarterback Tim Bailey – 2,135 yards and 19 touchdowns already – and has a host of Mohawk Valley players, including leading receiver Jimmy Smith of Oneida (41 catches, 631 yards, three touchdowns) and starting offensive tackle Kevin Dwyer of New Hartford. Other Mohawk Valley players on the team are Eric Dowsland of Hamilton, Mike Donaruma and Rocco Arcuri of Notre Dame, Ryan McQueen of Whitesboro and Kyle Hutchinson of New Hartford.

[Knightstalker]

dumb question- but why would the e8 lose its aq when norwich leaves?

They will drop below the 7 teams required for a conference to get an AQ.

[pg04]

dumb question- but why would the e8 lose its aq when norwich leaves?

A conference most have 7 or more members to have an AQ.. at least I think that's the jist

After Norwich leaves all you would have is Fisher, Ithaca, Alfred, Hartwick, Utica, and Springfield.  

Edit:  Yeah, what KS said.   

[fisheralum91]

ok- but i thought that the e8 already had someone in mind to replace norwich.......have they offered the opening to anybody?
i heard rumors of a cortland offer---what about bport or mooville?

[pg04]

ok- but i thought that the e8 already had someone in mind to replace norwich.......have they offered the opening to anybody?
i heard rumors of a cortland offer---what about bport or mooville?

It would most likely be one of the State Schools.  Cortland would seem most likely because of their facilities and their rivalry with IC. 

[fisheralum91]

if cstate came in- that would be one power packed conference!
wow

[Bombers798891]

bombers79-
what i thnk is missed in the overall scheme here is that a talented but young and inexperienced fisher teams lost to MUC by less than anybody else this season----lost to salisbury IN FOUR OVERTIMES- should have beaten wick if not for a last second fumble AND WAXED ITHACA.  Now i agree that this team has a year or so to tie everything together- but this season is far from a collapse.
2 flips of the coin and we could be talking about fisher making a run deep in the playoffs.
Did is mention that they pasted IC?
oh yeah i did.

Fisher--

Like I said, I understand that, but doesn't every team have a couple "Coin flip" games? In 2004, IC missed the playoffs with an OT loss to you guys and a 1-point loss to Brockport. Couldn't we use that argument for IC that season? Two coin flips and we're 10-0 and possibly a #1 seed? Yes, you could have beaten Hartwick and Salisbury. But you didn't. It;s not that I don't understand extenuating circumstances, but, lines have to be drawn somewhere. If an 0-10 played the Top 10 teams in the country and lost them all by 2 points, we wouldn

I don't have any qualms with the MUC game...and yes, you pasted us. But as I pointed out, according to the voters of both poles, your four toughest opponents were MUC, Salisbury, Us and Wick. And you didn't perform well against them. No-one's debating your strength relative to IC. But there were other "good" teams on your schedule. And you didn't beat anyonr else. The Salisbury game was in four overtimes only because you guys couldn't hold a 14-point, fourth quarter lead, at home.

You've got the Ithaca win. And right now, your other four victories came against teams who were a combined 6-22. As I said, you're a good team. But you have one solid victory. That's not enough to offset three losses in my mind.

And yes, before we go there, Ithaca hasn't had a ton of good victories either. And, if they don't win the AQ, it certainly doesn't look like they'd get in, unless they upset Cortland, and even then they likely wouldn't get in. But right now, based on my understanding of the tie-breaks, all IC needs to do is win these next two and they get the AQ, unless Hartwick drops one.

Right now, your argument is that you've beaten one good team, four cruddy teams, and could've, should've, would've won two more? I've always believed that the difference between a 9-1 team and a 7-3 team can boil down to something like two plays over the course of a season. The difference is, the 9-1 team makes them, but the 7-3 team doesn't. And to me, it's the ability to make plays when they need to that seperates the good who just miss out from the great who make it. It's those "coin flip" games, you know? They make or break your season.

It's not so much the wins themselves. It's that the great teams, when they find themselves in a dogfight, come up with a way to pull it off more often then not. You guys are a couple of fumbles away from being 7-1. But to me, a great team would have held onto that lead agains Salisbury. A great team would have finished that drive against the Wick.

I'm not considering myself to be the authority. Certainly, some people will believe you guys deserve a Pool C bid. And it's not that I don't see their logic. I just happen to feel differently. This is what happens when you drop games and don't win the conference. You're stuck trying to appease voters. It;s a cruddy deal, but that's what happens. People at IC were pissed about the 2004 team, but all you do is say "If it matters that much, they should have beaten Fisher." Even the imfamous 1998 squad lost a winnable game to a playoff bound Buff State team. It's an unfair system sometimes, and the only surefire way to beat it is to win the AQ...

[Pat Coleman]

The Empire 8 has its automatic bid through 2010. If it does not have seven schools playing football in 2011, it's back to Pool B.