FB: Empire 8

[theoriginalupstate]

Well I guess Fisher answered all of the detractors today

With out a doubt they did, if they are not ranked #1 in the east and back in the top 10 in the D3FB.com poll i'd be extremely surprised...

(sarcasm off)...

Hey, a win is a win, right? Although seeing it 10-all late in the 3rd quarter made me really hope that the Pioneers could finish the job.

I was impressed with the game plan by Utica on both sides of the ball...

After the first drive for SJF the UC defense stepped up and kept SJF in check.  Their offense played not to loose and they kept it close hoping their D would make a big play to steal the game late.

SJF's fumble recovery for a TD shouldnt have counted, I and all of the announcers didnt think it was a catch...

Faggiano's defense allowed just 10pts to the SJF offense a pretty impressive feat considering what SJF has done to UC in the past...

[AUPepBand]

Ithaca was part of the ICAC at one time.

http://www.augenblick.org/rpi/c_icac.html

Good find, 'gro. The ICAC had competition in most sports. However, some members did not want to schedule other members in football, so you had some odd conference standings. Pep thinks back then in order for an ICAC team to be eligible for the title, they had to play 3/4 of the other teams in the conference....some weird rule like that.

Somewhere along the line, RPI, St. Lawrence, Union, and Hobart pulled out to form a different league. Pep thinks the feeling was that Ithaca was a much bigger school and they could not compete, and, there may have been other reasons why their pull-out did not include Alfred.

[boobyhasgameyo]

Well I will officially stop defending the Fisher losses this year and saying they deserve to be in the playoffs....They are proving the opposite.  I still hope they make it though (although I fully acknowledge there is absolutely no other way of getting in besides the AQ) because I just feel like Fisher would be a tough out in the playoffs despite how poorly they have been playing of late. 

[Jonny Utah]

Heres a semi-easy upstate football trivia question:

1972 (5-4)
9/16 at William Paterson W 14-6
9/23 West Chester L 22-48
9/30 at Cortland L 16-21
10/7 at RIT W 30-13
10/14 Fordham W 38-13
10/21 at Wilkes W 28-21
10/28 Bridgeport L 7-28
11/4 C.W. Post L 17-20
11/11 Hobart W 17-7
COACH: Jim Butterfield
CAPTAINS: Randy Garrett,
Mike Welch, Bob Wojnar


Ithaca beat RIT 30-13 in 1972.  Who was the head coach at RIT?

[superman57]

Heres a semi-easy upstate football trivia question:

1972 (5-4)
9/16 at William Paterson W 14-6
9/23 West Chester L 22-48
9/30 at Cortland L 16-21
10/7 at RIT W 30-13
10/14 Fordham W 38-13
10/21 at Wilkes W 28-21
10/28 Bridgeport L 7-28
11/4 C.W. Post L 17-20
11/11 Hobart W 17-7
COACH: Jim Butterfield
CAPTAINS: Randy Garrett,
Mike Welch, Bob Wojnar


Ithaca beat RIT 30-13 in 1972.  Who was the head coach at RIT?

some guy from the giants who just won a super bowl... Tom COughlin

[AUPepBand]

It makes more sense for Fisher to join the LL, than to find a team to replace Norwich. E8 has known this for two years, but no one wants to join the E6. If the OOC does not mean anything, than why not schedule cream-puffs. The bottom line goal is to make the NCAA's, not an ECAC bowl. Both CB's are 3rd year varsity

players, neither is young or inexperienced, the ONLY problem I have with this edition has been the play from the QB. It's the turnovers, and to date this has not been fixed.

SJF isn't leaving the E8, and Im not so sure the LL would even take SJF over Ithaca or Alfred since both of those teams would probably get dibs over SJF. 

Since I assume you are referencing academic standards I don't really think they would mind adding Fisher as a football only member.  By the way, not incredibly difficult to get into Ithaca or Alfred.

Ithaca and Alfred both accept about 74% of applicants, Fisher is running at accepting 61%.  Average SAT scores (old scoring) if you take the high end of the range is 1180 for Fisher, for Ithaca it is 1260, Alfred is 1230.  These are far cries from LL school's such as U of R and RPI who have SAT averages of about 1420 and accept about 40% of applicants.

Now if you meant something other than academics as the reason Ithaca or Alfred would get the nod (i.e. more storied football programs, etc.) then I guess I can see that...But none of the E8 schools are really in the same league as the LL academically, as much as Ithaca wants to be. 


Oh and I know Alfred has a really good ceramics program Pep, and I know Ithaca and its storied Communications history....I'm just saying in terms of actually getting into the school, the differences are minimal.  After graduating from these schools...Well that's a whole other story and I will definitely concede that Fisher is lacking in that department compared to an Ithaca.   


*Edit -------- I used College Search for my lone unverified source. 


Again if you didn't mean academics then my apologies, that is just how I interpreted it. 

No I meant more in terms of the old leagues that RPI, Ithaca and Aflred used to be in together (the name escapes me) for other sports.

Jonny,    If anyone else wants to know I can take you back to the early 70's when I was All Conference in x-country. The conference was called the ICAC - Independent College Athletic Conference.  It included Alfred, Clarkson,Hobart, RPI, St Lawrence and Union.  I am sure Ithaca was not involved in this conference. 

1971 was the year Alfred was undefeated in football, won the Lambert Bowl Award and got shafted out of the "Bowl" game as Hampton Sydney went to that game - whatever the set up was for d3 football at that time.

Yes, it was one of two bowl games offered to small colleges...the Knute Rockne Bowl in Atlantic City (the other, Pep believes, was called the Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl or something random like that) that featured Hampden-Sydney taking on Bridgeport (CT), a team that was 8-1 and picked over the 8-0 Alfred team on the basis of Bridgeport playing a "tougher schedule." Ha ha...that went over real well with Saxon fans.

A year later, AU scheduled Bridgeport at Merrill Field and the Saxons scored the go-ahead TD and 2-pt. conversion with less than a minute remaining. Down 8-7, Bridgeport's QB hit well-guarded receiver with a pass at midfield as the receiver pushed the two defenders off him, caught the ball and rumbled the remaining 50 yards for Bridgeport's game-winner with but seconds remaining. Bridgeport 14, AU 8. Bridgeport no longer has a football program.

On Saxon Warriors...great job at Fauver Stadium today!

[AUPepBand]

So, it's looking like, barring any upsets, IC-Alfred may decide the mess that is the E8. So who's got the scoop on Alfred? How do they look? I'm debating the trip up there with the pops, and, well, I've already been to one disappointing road game this season. I'd rather not repeat the experience. Anyone seen both teams and have a prediction?

Pep has seen a few AU games and also saw IC roll over UC at Butterfield last week. Pep believes the Bombers are solid in all areas and suggests that Bombers798891 bring his pops to Merrill Field for an entertaining afternoon.

As for the "scoop on Alfred," since the Sub Shop closed, there's really not a decent place to get ice cream, excepting of course the Big Dipper in Almond, which is a seasonal operation. But seriously, the Saxon schedule is "back-loaded" as in previous years and AU is expected to finish 6-4 and perhaps host another ECAC Bowl...but this year it won't be Rochester.

Yup, Bombers, bring your pops and lots of Bomber fans to Mayberry. AU could use the gate receipts to put toward a new recreational facility since Davis Gym has been tapped for demolition.

[AUKaz00]

So, it's looking like, barring any upsets, IC-Alfred may decide the mess that is the E8. So who's got the scoop on Alfred? How do they look? I'm debating the trip up there with the pops, and, well, I've already been to one disappointing road game this season. I'd rather not repeat the experience. Anyone seen both teams and have a prediction?

Pep has seen a few AU games and also saw IC roll over UC at Butterfield last week. Pep believes the Bombers are solid in all areas and suggests that Bombers798891 bring his pops to Merrill Field for an entertaining afternoon.

As for the "scoop on Alfred," since the Sub Shop closed, there's really not a decent place to get ice cream, excepting of course the Big Dipper in Almond, which is a seasonal operation. But seriously, the Saxon schedule is "back-loaded" as in previous years and AU is expected to finish 6-4 and perhaps host another ECAC Bowl...but this year it won't be Rochester.

Yup, Bombers, bring your pops and lots of Bomber fans to Mayberry. AU could use the gate receipts to put toward a new recreational facility since Davis Gym has been tapped for demolition.

Ithaca was the pre-season favorite to win the E8 by many (including Pep and myself) and I think today's drubbing of Springfield along with their blowout of Hartwick, both of whom played Fisher and Alfred close, highlights that IC indeed is the class of the E8 this year.

I'm glad that AU got their 6th win today, giving the Saxons 2 chances to exceed my expectations.  I do however expect Alfred will have a better chance of achieving that 7th win against Fisher this year rather than Ithaca.  I'm hopeful that Pep and I will share a celebratory meal at the Jet after a big win one of these next two weeks...

[Bombers798891]

So, it's looking like, barring any upsets, IC-Alfred may decide the mess that is the E8. So who's got the scoop on Alfred? How do they look? I'm debating the trip up there with the pops, and, well, I've already been to one disappointing road game this season. I'd rather not repeat the experience. Anyone seen both teams and have a prediction?

Pep has seen a few AU games and also saw IC roll over UC at Butterfield last week. Pep believes the Bombers are solid in all areas and suggests that Bombers798891 bring his pops to Merrill Field for an entertaining afternoon.

As for the "scoop on Alfred," since the Sub Shop closed, there's really not a decent place to get ice cream, excepting of course the Big Dipper in Almond, which is a seasonal operation. But seriously, the Saxon schedule is "back-loaded" as in previous years and AU is expected to finish 6-4 and perhaps host another ECAC Bowl...but this year it won't be Rochester.

Yup, Bombers, bring your pops and lots of Bomber fans to Mayberry. AU could use the gate receipts to put toward a new recreational facility since Davis Gym has been tapped for demolition.

Ithaca was the pre-season favorite to win the E8 by many (including Pep and myself) and I think today's drubbing of Springfield along with their blowout of Hartwick, both of whom played Fisher and Alfred close, highlights that IC indeed is the class of the E8 this year.

I'm glad that AU got their 6th win today, giving the Saxons 2 chances to exceed my expectations.  I do however expect Alfred will have a better chance of achieving that 7th win against Fisher this year rather than Ithaca.  I'm hopeful that Pep and I will share a celebratory meal at the Jet after a big win one of these next two weeks...

One more game for IC to win befire we go that far...Juvan's finger could be an issue and this team never plays well on turf...be warned

[Jonny Utah]

So, it's looking like, barring any upsets, IC-Alfred may decide the mess that is the E8. So who's got the scoop on Alfred? How do they look? I'm debating the trip up there with the pops, and, well, I've already been to one disappointing road game this season. I'd rather not repeat the experience. Anyone seen both teams and have a prediction?

Pep has seen a few AU games and also saw IC roll over UC at Butterfield last week. Pep believes the Bombers are solid in all areas and suggests that Bombers798891 bring his pops to Merrill Field for an entertaining afternoon.

As for the "scoop on Alfred," since the Sub Shop closed, there's really not a decent place to get ice cream, excepting of course the Big Dipper in Almond, which is a seasonal operation. But seriously, the Saxon schedule is "back-loaded" as in previous years and AU is expected to finish 6-4 and perhaps host another ECAC Bowl...but this year it won't be Rochester.

Yup, Bombers, bring your pops and lots of Bomber fans to Mayberry. AU could use the gate receipts to put toward a new recreational facility since Davis Gym has been tapped for demolition.

Ithaca was the pre-season favorite to win the E8 by many (including Pep and myself) and I think today's drubbing of Springfield along with their blowout of Hartwick, both of whom played Fisher and Alfred close, highlights that IC indeed is the class of the E8 this year.

I'm glad that AU got their 6th win today, giving the Saxons 2 chances to exceed my expectations.  I do however expect Alfred will have a better chance of achieving that 7th win against Fisher this year rather than Ithaca.  I'm hopeful that Pep and I will share a celebratory meal at the Jet after a big win one of these next two weeks...

One more game for IC to win befire we go that far...Juvan's finger could be an issue and this team never plays well on turf...be warned

Not to mention that Alfred has always been a tough place to play for the bombers.  This is a very dangerous game.

[Bombers798891]

Well I will officially stop defending the Fisher losses this year and saying they deserve to be in the playoffs....They are proving the opposite.  I still hope they make it though (although I fully acknowledge there is absolutely no other way of getting in besides the AQ) because I just feel like Fisher would be a tough out in the playoffs despite how poorly they have been playing of late. 

Man, this Fisher team is just so strange. They've played two complete games all season (Ithaca, Norwich) but they've struggled to beat this Murderer's row of opponents: Rochester, Utica, Springfield.

How can you have difficulty putting away a team that had 70 yards of total offense? It's like everytime SJF got the ball down around the Utica 30, they just stopped.

To me, there's got be something wrong with the playcalling--that's what a lot Fisher fans have been saying, or the execution. The last two weeks, SJF has outgained their opponents something like 780-250 and outscored them 55-45.

And of course, although the dangers of score comparison are always present, and in this case, since SJF beat IC, possibly irrelevant, this illustrates why it's so hard to get your head around SJF. Ithaca beat Springfield, Hartwick and Utica by a combined score of 148-57. Fisher's PF/PA totals for those three games: 83-76.

On the one hand, you can't ignore the fact that SJF beat IC handily. But it's staggering to me that three teams Ithaca's had no problem with at all are causing Fisher fits. I mean, Springfield showed some semblance of a pass rush, but they couldn't cover anyone yesterday--before we quote Juvan's comp %, remember, he has a broken finger. Hartwick must have changed something after our game with them, because I have no clue how every team can't score 70 on them. And Utica is, well, Utica.

I would really be suprised to see SJF in a Pool C bid now. Prior, I'd always thought they had an outside chance. But I just can't do it anymore. Utica's offense today would have gained more yards if they'd run QB sneaks all day. They had no business being in that game. I talked about how really good teams win "coin flip" games. But what really good teams don't do is allow inferior opponents to hang around all game--only to be saved by the fact that they aren't going against great QB's...

[fisheralum91]

the game was tough to watch.
play calling was questionable at times- the zebras didnt have a clue on how to officiate and the fisher o really never got rolling minus the opening drive-yet still fizzled out.
this years team is a total enigma---i dont get it..
they could be so good at times and yet look so ordinary as well.

[Frank Rossi]

Three-Way Tie Scenario Becomes Clearer:

Ithaca (2-0 OOC, 1 Pending)
---------------------------
Lycoming  5-2 (W)
King's    0-6 (W)
Cortland  8-0 (-)
          ---
          13-8 (-2 Ls = 13-6)

Hartwick (3-0 OOC)
------------------
Becker    2-6 (W)
WNEC      2-7 (W)
Mt. Ida   3-5 (W)
          ---
          7-18 (-3 Ls = 7-15)

St. John Fisher (2-0 OOC, 0 Pending)
------------------------------------
Buff. St. 0-8 (W)
Rochester 2-5 (W)
          ---
          2-13 (-2 Ls = 2-11)

St. John Fisher's opponents have 4 games remaining.  The best SJF's OOC SoS could be is 6-11.

Hartwick's opponents have 4 games remaining.  The best Hartwick's OOC SoS could be is 11-15.

Ithaca's opponents have 6 games remaining (minus the Ithaca/Cortland game since that does not get factored into the SoS).  The WORST Ithaca's OOC SoS could be is 13-11.

This means that it is now IMPOSSIBLE for SJF or Hartwick to win the three-way tie in the E8, as Ithaca's OWP margin is insurmountable.

[theoriginalupstate]

This means that it is now IMPOSSIBLE for SJF or Hartwick to win the three-way tie in the E8, as Ithaca's OWP margin is insurmountable.

I'm so glad this tough schedule paid off....

I wonder what UW-Whitewater is doing next year?

[Jonny Utah]

This means that it is now IMPOSSIBLE for SJF or Hartwick to win the three-way tie in the E8, as Ithaca's OWP margin is insurmountable.

I'm so glad this tough schedule paid off....

I wonder what UW-Whitewater is doing next year?

yea but SJF is only in this situation because of a 3 way tie for first place in a season where they also lost 2 other games and 3 total.  If they had beaten Salsbury OR Hartwick they would probably be a playoff lock right now.  But they lost both so the OC schedule only comes into play after a bunch of other things happened to them.