FB: Empire 8

[sjfcards]

I wonder what happens to the East region playoff picture if Fisher loses to Alfred on Saturday?

I suppose it doesn't really matter when you play MUC except that we all like to see our teams play another week. Having them out of the region gives us a few extra weeks of fun. My honest oppinion is that the importing of teams to other regions should not happen. If the playoffs are broken down by region, then the teams should be from that region. So, the best 8 teams in the east should play off, to see who is the best team in the region. If we go and get smoked by MUC, or some Southern or western team so be it. I know that is not how it really works, but that has always been my oppinion. In my scenario some of the better teams would get left out of the tourny, but those are the breaks right.

If the comittee can just bring a team from out of the region in for the playoffs, then why don't out of region opponents count in the strength of schedule tie breakers for teams looking to get into the tournament? If we want to compare apples to apples, then all the teams you play should be included, right? Just one mans oppinion.

[SJFF82]

If the comittee can just bring a team from out of the region in for the playoffs, then why don't out of region opponents count in the strength of schedule tie breakers for teams looking to get into the tournament? If we want to compare apples to apples, then all the teams you play should be included, right? 

Good point.

[fisheralum91]

that is a great point.
+k

[theoriginalupstate]

If the comittee can just bring a team from out of the region in for the playoffs, then why don't out of region opponents count in the strength of schedule tie breakers for teams looking to get into the tournament? If we want to compare apples to apples, then all the teams you play should be included, right? 

Good point.

thats one of the better points made i've heard on here...

+k

[Ralph Turner]

If the comittee can just bring a team from out of the region in for the playoffs, then why don't out of region opponents count in the strength of schedule tie breakers for teams looking to get into the tournament? If we want to compare apples to apples, then all the teams you play should be included, right? 

Good point.

thats one of the better points made i've heard on here...

+k

Bringing other teams "into the Region" in the playoffs is allowed because the NCAA no longer allocates a specific number of bids to the Region (as I understand that it did in the 1990's).

The 200-mile radius rule and the Administrative Region rule do allow teams from other regions to be counted in the regional rankings.

HSU (South Region) picked up in-region games from UW-Lacrosse and Linfield (West Region) because of the Administrative Region (#4) rule .

Muhlenberg (South Region) picked up "in-region" wins over East Region Wilkes (200-mile radius and same admin region) and Union (same admin region) this year. 

Administrative Region 2 includes the states of NY and PA.

SJF is just too far north to pick up any 200-mile radius games that I can find.  (SJF to Thiel is 222 miles.    )

[AUKaz00]

Okay, it's been over a day and I've spent most of the last 28 hours thinking about yesterday's game.  First off, congrats to IC; that was a thrilling game though I would have preferred a different outcome...

Hopefully this doesn't come off as sour grapes, but I feel like Alfred should have won yesterday, but definitely didn't deserve to win (if that makes any sense).  And while I'm still happy about the season and the progress that the team has made, perhaps that is why this loss is sticking in my psyche so much.  Or perhaps it was because at 21-13 with AU driving, an announcement of Springfield beating Wick was made and Pep and I realized that finishing off IC would make next saterday the E8 championship game.  Then our FG attempt was pathetically short and IC scored 30 unanswered. 

However, I still take a number of positives out of the loss.  The team didn't pack it in once they were down a monkeystomp and made it very exiting at the end.  Too many mistakes were Alfred's undoing today and hopefully the younger nucleus of the team can learn lessons about time management, securing the ball and persistence.  It was a fitting loss though, as it was the perfect combination of the other two Alfred losses this year (miscues against Ursinus and a failed First and Goal in the final minute against Wick).

[Jonny Utah]

I wonder what happens to the East region playoff picture if Fisher loses to Alfred on Saturday?

I suppose it doesn't really matter when you play MUC except that we all like to see our teams play another week. Having them out of the region gives us a few extra weeks of fun. My honest oppinion is that the importing of teams to other regions should not happen. If the playoffs are broken down by region, then the teams should be from that region. So, the best 8 teams in the east should play off, to see who is the best team in the region. If we go and get smoked by MUC, or some Southern or western team so be it. I know that is not how it really works, but that has always been my oppinion. In my scenario some of the better teams would get left out of the tourny, but those are the breaks right.

If the comittee can just bring a team from out of the region in for the playoffs, then why don't out of region opponents count in the strength of schedule tie breakers for teams looking to get into the tournament? If we want to compare apples to apples, then all the teams you play should be included, right? Just one mans oppinion.

I think what the NCAA is trying to do is come up with a number (in region SOS) that reflects more on how east teams stack up with one another.  Although we can look at a game versus Mt. Union and get a good grasp on whether a team can compete or not, it might not work with other teams.  They do the same thing in regards to playing d2 or 1-AA teams. 

Bottom line I think is that the NCAA likes numbers, formulas, pool A bids, and automatic qualifiers so the human element is taken out of picking teams as much as possible for playoff purpuses.  By not including non-league games from other parts of the country and non-d3 teams, the numbers (in theory) should should be more accurate for an SOS.

And Im trying to think of a situation where this really might hurt a team.  Lets say SJF went 9-1 and they beat Mt Union but lost to Ithaca, and RPI went 9-1 (doing the same thing they did this year plus an extra win versus Mt. Ida), and Montclair went 9-1.  If these three teams went for a pool C, SJF might be looking the worse numbers wise in terms of in-region winning percentage and SOS and all that.

[sjfcards]

And Im trying to think of a situation where this really might hurt a team.  Lets say SJF went 9-1 and they beat Mt Union but lost to Ithaca, and RPI went 9-1 (doing the same thing they did this year plus an extra win versus Mt. Ida), and Montclair went 9-1.  If these three teams went for a pool C, SJF might be looking the worse numbers wise in terms of in-region winning percentage and SOS and all that.

To me that is a problem. If Fisher went 9-1, beat MUC, and their only lost to one of the better teams in the region in Ithaca, and they were left out because MCU and RPI beat up on Mt. Ida, it just seems wrong. If that is how it is going to work, why would any team schedule a good team. I think MUC would run out of teams to play. Teams should just schedule bad in region teams so they can beat up on them, and get into the tourny. 

[Jonny Utah]

And Im trying to think of a situation where this really might hurt a team.  Lets say SJF went 9-1 and they beat Mt Union but lost to Ithaca, and RPI went 9-1 (doing the same thing they did this year plus an extra win versus Mt. Ida), and Montclair went 9-1.  If these three teams went for a pool C, SJF might be looking the worse numbers wise in terms of in-region winning percentage and SOS and all that.

To me that is a problem. If Fisher went 9-1, beat MUC, and their only lost to one of the better teams in the region in Ithaca, and they were left out because MCU and RPI beat up on Mt. Ida, it just seems wrong. If that is how it is going to work, why would any team schedule a good team. I think MUC would run out of teams to play. Teams should just schedule bad in region teams so they can beat up on them, and get into the tourny. 

Im not sure that would happen, but if you added up the numbers, it might work out that way right?

[SJFF82]

The road to the NCAA's goes through Merrill this week!

[JQV]

Okay, it's been over a day and I've spent most of the last 28 hours thinking about yesterday's game.  First off, congrats to IC; that was a thrilling game though I would have preferred a different outcome...

Hopefully this doesn't come off as sour grapes, but I feel like Alfred should have won yesterday, but definitely didn't deserve to win (if that makes any sense).  And while I'm still happy about the season and the progress that the team has made, perhaps that is why this loss is sticking in my psyche so much.  Or perhaps it was because at 21-13 with AU driving, an announcement of Springfield beating Wick was made and Pep and I realized that finishing off IC would make next saterday the E8 championship game.  Then our FG attempt was pathetically short and IC scored 30 unanswered. 

However, I still take a number of positives out of the loss.  The team didn't pack it in once they were down a monkeystomp and made it very exiting at the end.  Too many mistakes were Alfred's undoing today and hopefully the younger nucleus of the team can learn lessons about time management, securing the ball and persistence.  It was a fitting loss though, as it was the perfect combination of the other two Alfred losses this year (miscues against Ursinus and a failed First and Goal in the final minute against Wick).

Easily the classiest post from a fan of a losing team in about three years.  +k.  No one else has been able to make that argument without sounding sarcastic.

[SJF Fan]

I wonder what happens to the East region playoff picture if Fisher loses to Alfred on Saturday?

Then the only team from the E8 to get a bid will be IC.

And the top 8 will be Muhlenberg/Cortland, Itchaca, Hobart, Montclaire, Plymouth, Husson, and RPI/Curry.

[Bombers798891]

I wonder what happens to the East region playoff picture if Fisher loses to Alfred on Saturday?

Then the only team from the E8 to get a bid will be IC.

And the top 8 will be Muhlenberg/Cortland, Itchaca, Hobart, Montclaire, Plymouth, Husson, and RPI/Curry.

The best thing for the E8 would be IC topping Cortland and SJF beating Alfred. Anything else just looks ugly...

[union89]

I wonder what happens to the East region playoff picture if Fisher loses to Alfred on Saturday?

Then the only team from the E8 to get a bid will be IC.

And the top 8 will be Muhlenberg/Cortland, Itchaca, Hobart, Montclaire, Plymouth, Husson, and RPI/Curry.

How about a MAC, AQ??

[boobyhasgameyo]

Man there is some discrimihating going on in the poll, apparently Fisher is an underdog despite the Saxons having accomplished less throughout the season.  They have no signature wins, but they do have a signature loss to a 3-6 Ursinus.   And before people go crazy and talk about Fisher winning close games against Springfield and Utica, look at the comparible scores...Neither were impressive.  I guess they could use the argument they beat U of R by a much wider margin than Fisher, but I think the margin between the Ithaca scores slightly tips in Fisher's favor.  I guess I just don't see why more people are drinking their kool-aid?  Maybe it's the Freshman QB who has steadily improved.  What do you guys who voted for Alfred think?  I'm not trying to be negative so don't paste me with -K, I just want to see what it is.  I feel like the general consensus from people will point out Fisher's struggles of late as their reason, but when looking at how Alfred compared to the same teams I'm just not seeing an advantage in their favor.