FB: Empire 8

[sjfcards]

Well lets rally and get that up....Thats what she said!

[pg04]

Well lets rally and get that up....Thats what she said!

Zing!  ?

[pg04]

By the way I'm not discrimihating and will take the vote in this poll to my grave.  LOL. 

[Bombers798891]

Is it just me or did we just get bitchslapped by the LL with regards to posts...

We went from +5 to -37 in about 2 weeks...

A 42 post swing could be a double monkey stomp...

We need to make some "Discrimihatory" statements to get people riled up:

Try these:

1. I believe a 6-4 SJF team will not get a Pool C bid.
2. I believe "Team Boltus" has a porous defense.
3. I believe Ithaca is overrated
4. I believe Alfred needs to do something interesting so we can debate about them
5. I believe Springfield's Triple Option is a gimmick
6. I believe Utica, despite playing hard, lack the talent to compete in the E8 right now
7. I believe Norwich....ah who cares, it's Norwich

[SJFF82]

Okay, it's been over a day and I've spent most of the last 28 hours thinking about yesterday's game.  First off, congrats to IC; that was a thrilling game though I would have preferred a different outcome...

Hopefully this doesn't come off as sour grapes, but I feel like Alfred should have won yesterday, but definitely didn't deserve to win (if that makes any sense).  And while I'm still happy about the season and the progress that the team has made, perhaps that is why this loss is sticking in my psyche so much.  Or perhaps it was because at 21-13 with AU driving, an announcement of Springfield beating Wick was made and Pep and I realized that finishing off IC would make next saterday the E8 championship game.  Then our FG attempt was pathetically short and IC scored 30 unanswered. 

However, I still take a number of positives out of the loss.  The team didn't pack it in once they were down a monkeystomp and made it very exiting at the end.  Too many mistakes were Alfred's undoing today and hopefully the younger nucleus of the team can learn lessons about time management, securing the ball and persistence.  It was a fitting loss though, as it was the perfect combination of the other two Alfred losses this year (miscues against Ursinus and a failed First and Goal in the final minute against Wick).

Easily the classiest post from a fan of a losing team in about three years.  +k.  No one else has been able to make that argument without sounding sarcastic.

A subtle shot at 'Fisher poster'?

[E8]

Fisher is 5-1 after a bye week under Coach Paul Vosburgh since 1999, and Alfred is 1-1.   If Fisher is not ready for Alfred's blitz packages, it could be a long day for the offense.   However, this coaching staff has two weeks to prepare for this game and Alfred might be catching Fisher at the wrong time.   It is tough to beat this staff with two weeks to prepare.   Alfred is a VERY physical football team and they are going to get after it.   It appears that whenever E8 teams play each other, they utterly beat each other up and there is nothing that tells me it wont happen again this Saturday.   Does Alfred revel in the role of spoiler or does Fisher revel in the role of champion?   Who knew it was going to come down to this after Hartwick STRUTS into Springield and crawls out!?!?  

[SJFF82]

Honestly, boobs the only people in the east region that want Fisher to win this game.... is Fisher fans... If Fisher loses RPI, Montclair and maybe even Hussin will get pool c's...

Supes:  SJF will not be taking any Pool C slot no matter what happens?  Although, I guess indirectly a win at AU would chew up a Pool C if IC beats Cortland...right?

[Bombers798891]

Honestly, boobs the only people in the east region that want Fisher to win this game.... is Fisher fans... If Fisher loses RPI, Montclair and maybe even Hussin will get pool c's...

Supes:  SJF will not be taking any Pool C slot no matter what happens?  Although, I guess indirectly a win at AU would chew up a Pool C if IC beats Cortland...right?

A 6-4 SJF team won't get one, but a 7-3 team won't need one. So yes. And in all likelyhood, yes, if Fisher and IC win, IC will likely get a Pool C bid

[SJFF82]

Man there is some discrimihating going on in the poll, apparently Fisher is an underdog despite the Saxons having accomplished less throughout the season.  They have no signature wins, but they do have a signature loss to a 3-6 Ursinus.   And before people go crazy and talk about Fisher winning close games against Springfield and Utica, look at the comparible scores...Neither were impressive.  I guess they could use the argument they beat U of R by a much wider margin than Fisher, but I think the margin between the Ithaca scores slightly tips in Fisher's favor.  I guess I just don't see why more people are drinking their kool-aid?  Maybe it's the Freshman QB who has steadily improved.  What do you guys who voted for Alfred think?  I'm not trying to be negative so don't paste me with -K, I just want to see what it is.  I feel like the general consensus from people will point out Fisher's struggles of late as their reason, but when looking at how Alfred compared to the same teams I'm just not seeing an advantage in their favor.   

I'll try to take a stab at this and hopefully without being too biased for my alma mater.

First off, yes I do believe that the Alfred team has progressed a lot since the beginning of the season.  The first 6 quarters of AU football in 2008 were simply atrocious.  At halftime against FDU I honestly thought we were looking at a 2-8 type season.  But the defense got together, the offense started to click and Alfred turned that game and the season around.  Since then, the offense and defense have progressively been getting better (though the kicking game has gotten markedly worse) and Hendrix has slowly been healing from his knee injury suffered during Alfred's scrimmage against Muhlenberg.

Now, before I get to my thoughts on comparative scores, I must say that looking over the entirety of the Fisher schedule it seems to me that the one score that is most unlike the others is the win over Ithaca.  And for Alfred, the one score most unlike the others was the opening loss to Ursinis where the Saxons turned the ball over 8 times and only lost by 7.  Both teams are 6-3 for a reason because neither of these teams is a powerhouse.

So, since I consider Fisher's win over IC a statistical anamoly, I will leave out the IC scores for comparison.  Against the other 5 teams that Fisher and Alfred shared as opponents, here is how they both faired.  Alfred beat Springfield away by 3; Fisher at home by 3.  Alfred beat Norwich at home by 42; Fisher away by 39.  Alfred lost to Wick away by 5; Fisher at home by 3.  Alfred beat Utica away by 17; Fisher away by 7.  And finally, Alfred beat Rochester away by 29; Fisher away by 7.

Now, there is an assumption that playing at home gives an advantage and in the NFL that comes out to somewhere between 3 and 4 points.  If that is the case in D3, then the only game between the above 5 that would comparatively favor Fisher would be Norwich.  And the trending would also favor Alfred.  For instance, Alfred beat Springfield by 3 in week 4, but beat Rochester by 29 in week 9 while Fisher beat Rochester by 7 in week 2, but only equalled Alfred's margin of victory over Springfield in week 8.  I know that teams are not static, so these comparisons may very well be all bunk.

And my final thought is that the argument "Fisher will now be motivated" is a little silly since weren't they motivated to beat Wick?  Or Salisbury?  Regardless of any of this analysis, going into the last two games I felt that Alfred would be a 14 point dog to Ithaca and a pick 'em against Fisher.  The Saxons showed me a little heart last week in getting back into the game and so I still think this week's game is a toss up, but I'd give the slight edge to Alfred playing at home.

Good job at laying out an objective analysis of the 2 teams...I am sure glad there will be no objective analysis when the ball gets kicked off on Saterday.  The game actually gets played and it means absolutely diddly poo what the 3 pt road win when the clouds came out before half-time means or what Fisher's 3 pt home win against the Volleyball's scout team meant on the Wednesday before the Thursday before the Saterday taht followed the Friday.  They have both played some close games against common opponents that perhaps both should have handled better....but so what?

BTW:  "Statistical Anomoly"  Definition : Double Monkey Stomp  Ignore the 30 pt double monkey stomp all you need to otherwise justify your position.  I find it funny that we ignore big game results that are blow-outs as a basis for comparison, but use the close scores in 'meaningless' games against Utica and Norwich.

[SJFF82]

pleas dont lump all fisher ppl together
and also stop with generalizations---if you have a beef- point out who said what

My beef was with what Booby said about "Discrimihating" going on against Fisher. I don't like how it implies that people picking against Fisher are doing so because we hate them

makes sense...but I dont imagine he used "discriminhating" in the traditional sense of the word...he even followed it up by asking for everyone's objective opinion.  Its tough to pull one word out of the post and then run with it.

[SJFF82]

I have no clue on what the announcement is...

Just messin around...

Fisher, after a 6-3 start, has decided to hang it up and drop football.  Reasons given include:  Critical fan base and discrimihating from outside parties.

k

[Bombers798891]

Man there is some discrimihating going on in the poll, apparently Fisher is an underdog despite the Saxons having accomplished less throughout the season.  They have no signature wins, but they do have a signature loss to a 3-6 Ursinus.   And before people go crazy and talk about Fisher winning close games against Springfield and Utica, look at the comparible scores...Neither were impressive.  I guess they could use the argument they beat U of R by a much wider margin than Fisher, but I think the margin between the Ithaca scores slightly tips in Fisher's favor.  I guess I just don't see why more people are drinking their kool-aid?  Maybe it's the Freshman QB who has steadily improved.  What do you guys who voted for Alfred think?  I'm not trying to be negative so don't paste me with -K, I just want to see what it is.  I feel like the general consensus from people will point out Fisher's struggles of late as their reason, but when looking at how Alfred compared to the same teams I'm just not seeing an advantage in their favor.   

I'll try to take a stab at this and hopefully without being too biased for my alma mater.

First off, yes I do believe that the Alfred team has progressed a lot since the beginning of the season.  The first 6 quarters of AU football in 2008 were simply atrocious.  At halftime against FDU I honestly thought we were looking at a 2-8 type season.  But the defense got together, the offense started to click and Alfred turned that game and the season around.  Since then, the offense and defense have progressively been getting better (though the kicking game has gotten markedly worse) and Hendrix has slowly been healing from his knee injury suffered during Alfred's scrimmage against Muhlenberg.

Now, before I get to my thoughts on comparative scores, I must say that looking over the entirety of the Fisher schedule it seems to me that the one score that is most unlike the others is the win over Ithaca.  And for Alfred, the one score most unlike the others was the opening loss to Ursinis where the Saxons turned the ball over 8 times and only lost by 7.  Both teams are 6-3 for a reason because neither of these teams is a powerhouse.

So, since I consider Fisher's win over IC a statistical anamoly, I will leave out the IC scores for comparison.  Against the other 5 teams that Fisher and Alfred shared as opponents, here is how they both faired.  Alfred beat Springfield away by 3; Fisher at home by 3.  Alfred beat Norwich at home by 42; Fisher away by 39.  Alfred lost to Wick away by 5; Fisher at home by 3.  Alfred beat Utica away by 17; Fisher away by 7.  And finally, Alfred beat Rochester away by 29; Fisher away by 7.

Now, there is an assumption that playing at home gives an advantage and in the NFL that comes out to somewhere between 3 and 4 points.  If that is the case in D3, then the only game between the above 5 that would comparatively favor Fisher would be Norwich.  And the trending would also favor Alfred.  For instance, Alfred beat Springfield by 3 in week 4, but beat Rochester by 29 in week 9 while Fisher beat Rochester by 7 in week 2, but only equalled Alfred's margin of victory over Springfield in week 8.  I know that teams are not static, so these comparisons may very well be all bunk.

And my final thought is that the argument "Fisher will now be motivated" is a little silly since weren't they motivated to beat Wick?  Or Salisbury?  Regardless of any of this analysis, going into the last two games I felt that Alfred would be a 14 point dog to Ithaca and a pick 'em against Fisher.  The Saxons showed me a little heart last week in getting back into the game and so I still think this week's game is a toss up, but I'd give the slight edge to Alfred playing at home.

Good job at laying out an objective analysis of the 2 teams...I am sure glad there will be no objective analysis when the ball gets kicked off on Saterday.  The game actually gets played and it means absolutely diddly poo what the 3 pt road win when the clouds came out before half-time means or what Fisher's 3 pt home win against the Volleyball's scout team meant on the Wednesday before the Thursday before the Saterday taht followed the Friday.  They have both played some close games against common opponents that perhaps both should have handled better....but so what?

BTW:  "Statistical Anomoly"  Definition : Double Monkey Stomp  Ignore the 30 pt double monkey stomp all you need to otherwise justify your position.  I find it funny that we ignore big game results that are blow-outs as a basis for comparison, but use the close scores in 'meaningless' games against Utica and Norwich.

But, at the same time, it's important to also look at how teams have played recently. Look at Alfred. What team do you think you'll get next week? The team that lost to a cruddy Ursinius team way back in September, or the team that hung 35 on IC?

Heck, if Fisher had just laid the 30 pointer on IC last week, I'd have you guys a 3 TD favorites, and IC a 3 TD underdog at Cortaca. But the last few games, SJF hasn't looked as impressive as they did against IC.

I don't think we ignore the IC win totally. But I usually put more emphasis on recent results. I mean, the IC team last season that was 2-2 after losing to you guys and the team that was 8-2 after drilling Cortland weren't the same teams.

Definitions of teams change throughout the season. I think you guys will beat Alfred. I know you guys have a 5th gear in there. I'm not totally sure Alfred does. If SJF is focused, I see a solid, 10-point victory for them

[SJFF82]

Good post...BUT  ....Why give AU credit fro hanging 35...IN A LOSS?  I agree that recent results  sometimes show more, but SJF hung 37 in a 31 pt win!!!

[SJFF82]

More importantly, who is going to be posting on this board anymore after SJF and IC both get drilled and go home this weekend?

[pg04]

Well At least one of the two teams is going to make the playoffs...