FB: Empire 8

[Bombers798891]

Good post...BUT  ....Why give AU credit fro hanging 35...IN A LOSS?  I agree that recent results  sometimes show more, but SJF hung 37 in a 31 pt win!!!

That's true, but, my concern is less the Alfred team you'll be facing and the SJF team you'll be bringing. These last two weeks have been unimpressive to me...

I'll be posting if you guys get drilled because it means we'll be in the playoffs!!!! Whoo-hoo!!! Playoffs!

[SJFF82]

Well At least one of the two teams is going to make the playoffs...

Oh yeah...oops...GO FISHER!

[sjfcards]

Well At least one of the two teams is going to make the playoffs...

Oh yeah...oops...GO FISHER!

Well I can agree with that.

[AUKaz00]

BTW:  "Statistical Anomoly"  Definition : Double Monkey Stomp  Ignore the 30 pt double monkey stomp all you need to otherwise justify your position.  I find it funny that we ignore big game results that are blow-outs as a basis for comparison, but use the close scores in 'meaningless' games against Utica and Norwich.

I agree that is imperfect to ignore certain results since Fisher indeed did blow out Ithaca (though isn't a double monkeystomp winning by 42?).  However, a lot of people as evidenced by the D3Football Top 25 poll, AFCA Top 25 poll, NCAA Regional Rankings and the East Region Fan poll consider the IC-SJF result a statistical anomoly based upon the relative rankings of Fisher and Ithaca.  And if Ithaca is considered demonstrably better than Fisher (and Alfred) and Alfred finished within 1 score of Ithaca 3 days ago, then Fisher must be projected to be either be favored by less than 8 to beat Alfred or else to lose to the Saxons.  Certainly the game will be decided on Merrill Field on saterday, but booby asked "What do you guys who voted for Alfred think?" and I gave my explanation for my vote.

[sjfcards]

I think the biggest anomoly with the Fisher-IC game is that it is the only game that Fisher did not turn the ball over. If Fisher can hold onto the ball, man, they can beat a lot of good teams. I am hoping that they will not turn the ball over on Saterday, and in my humble oppinon, if they can do that, they will win by 2 touchdowns.

Again, that is the only game that Fisher did not turn the ball over, so maybe it is the anomoly. But it can be done, with a solid effort and gameplan. Something I am hoping the conference "championship" and a bye week will take care of.

[fisheralum91]

ok what is the announcement?
anyone...anyone....bueller....bueller

[boobyhasgameyo]

pleas dont lump all fisher ppl together
and also stop with generalizations---if you have a beef- point out who said what

My beef was with what Booby said about "Discrimihating" going on against Fisher. I don't like how it implies that people picking against Fisher are doing so because we hate them

makes sense...but I dont imagine he used "discriminhating" in the traditional sense of the word...he even followed it up by asking for everyone's objective opinion.  Its tough to pull one word out of the post and then run with it.

While I am pleased that my questions did spark a debate,  the word discrimihate really did jump out at a lot of people.  SJFF82 was absolutely correct in his above statement.  I was just paying homage to the beloved rap duo Outkast by using that word, that's all. 

Go Fisher!
Go Fisher announcement!
Go Speed Race Go!

[Bombers798891]

Here's my idea of how Alfred could beat SJF--although they won't

1) Fisher's offense can struggle scoring TD's in the red zone. SJF has scored TD's on only 50% of their red zone possesions this season. That ranks them 6th in the conference, ahead of only Utica. Alfred has the best red zone D in the conference, allowing scores on only 58% of trips and TD's on only 42% of them. They have yet to allow a red zone passing TD all season. Conversely, Fisher is allowing scores on close to 80% of trips, TD's on 58%.

Fisher may need some big plays to score TD's, because Alfred's defense could be able to force a few FG attempts.

2) Alfred's pass rush is lethal. The Saxons lead the conference with 27 sacks and 230 yards lost to those sacks. St. John Fisher has allowed 22 sacks, the most in the conference. If Fisher's line struggles, it could be a long day for the QB.

3) Giving up those sacks will make it tougher for SJF to convert long 3rd downs, and Alfred allows only 26% to be converted, tops in the conference.

4) Not only has Alfred only allowed 5 TD's in the air, they've only allowed 107 yards rushing, which could be trouble for a Fisher offense averaging only 3.4 yards per carry.

So that's how I see Alfred doing it. By keeping Fisher's run game in check, the Saxons should be able to keep SJF in 2nd and 3rd and long, which will get the pass rush going. Some big sacks, and a few Red Zone stands could give an offense just enough chances to win, call it 23-20.

Do I think it will happen that way? No. I think SJF's offense will be able to move the ball well enough that Alfred's defense, which doesn't force a ton of turnovers, will be on the field for a bit too long. I think Alfred's running game isn't strong enough to keep them off the field and take pressure off the passing game. SJF shut down IC's rushing attack, and should be able to make Alfred one-dimensional. Once that happens, a few turnovers from a freshman QB should happen. Fisher will smell the blood in the water and pounce.

So I think SJF will win, but I'm not totally convinced Alfred couldn't pull it off either

[sjfcards]

ok what is the announcement?
anyone...anyone....bueller....bueller

I have heard that it is about Phil Kahler, the Women's Basketball Coach at Fisher. I guess Kahler is planning to announce his retirement today. The man is one of the winningest coaches in College Basketball, and has been nothing but a class act his entire career.

[fisheralum91]

class act all the way around indeed

[Cardinal 4 Life]

The Fisher announcement has nothing to do with football. Sorry guys, no bathrooms yet.

[AUKaz00]

I could care less about the bathrooms (unless they're electing to install urinal troughs); Pep and I only want to be able to see the field from the visitor bleachers.  Alfred players are excellent examples of the male physique, but I'd rather see the action on the field than their matching backsides.

[SJFF82]

BTW:  "Statistical Anomoly"  Definition : Double Monkey Stomp  Ignore the 30 pt double monkey stomp all you need to otherwise justify your position.  I find it funny that we ignore big game results that are blow-outs as a basis for comparison, but use the close scores in 'meaningless' games against Utica and Norwich.

I agree that is imperfect to ignore certain results since Fisher indeed did blow out Ithaca (though isn't a double monkeystomp winning by 42?).  However, a lot of people as evidenced by the D3Football Top 25 poll, AFCA Top 25 poll, NCAA Regional Rankings and the East Region Fan poll consider the IC-SJF result a statistical anomoly based upon the relative rankings of Fisher and Ithaca.  And if Ithaca is considered demonstrably better than Fisher (and Alfred) and Alfred finished within 1 score of Ithaca 3 days ago, then Fisher must be projected to be either be favored by less than 8 to beat Alfred or else to lose to the Saxons.  Certainly the game will be decided on Merrill Field on saterday, but booby asked "What do you guys who voted for Alfred think?" and I gave my explanation for my vote.

I respect your opinion!  Was just kinda takin a shot at the "Statistical anamoly" comment

[SJFF82]

Here's my idea of how Alfred could beat SJF--although they won't

1) Fisher's offense can struggle scoring TD's in the red zone. SJF has scored TD's on only 50% of their red zone possesions this season. That ranks them 6th in the conference, ahead of only Utica. Alfred has the best red zone D in the conference, allowing scores on only 58% of trips and TD's on only 42% of them. They have yet to allow a red zone passing TD all season. Conversely, Fisher is allowing scores on close to 80% of trips, TD's on 58%.

Fisher may need some big plays to score TD's, because Alfred's defense could be able to force a few FG attempts.

2) Alfred's pass rush is lethal. The Saxons lead the conference with 27 sacks and 230 yards lost to those sacks. St. John Fisher has allowed 22 sacks, the most in the conference. If Fisher's line struggles, it could be a long day for the QB.

3) Giving up those sacks will make it tougher for SJF to convert long 3rd downs, and Alfred allows only 26% to be converted, tops in the conference.

4) Not only has Alfred only allowed 5 TD's in the air, they've only allowed 107 yards rushing, which could be trouble for a Fisher offense averaging only 3.4 yards per carry.

So that's how I see Alfred doing it. By keeping Fisher's run game in check, the Saxons should be able to keep SJF in 2nd and 3rd and long, which will get the pass rush going. Some big sacks, and a few Red Zone stands could give an offense just enough chances to win, call it 23-20.

Do I think it will happen that way? No. I think SJF's offense will be able to move the ball well enough that Alfred's defense, which doesn't force a ton of turnovers, will be on the field for a bit too long. I think Alfred's running game isn't strong enough to keep them off the field and take pressure off the passing game. SJF shut down IC's rushing attack, and should be able to make Alfred one-dimensional. Once that happens, a few turnovers from a freshman QB should happen. Fisher will smell the blood in the water and pounce.

So I think SJF will win, but I'm not totally convinced Alfred couldn't pull it off either

Is that you Dave Murray?

[SJFF82]

I could care less about the bathrooms (unless they're electing to install urinal troughs); Pep and I only want to be able to see the field from the visitor bleachers.  Alfred players are excellent examples of the male physique, but I'd rather see the action on the field than their matching backsides.

Do you think it is any fun climbing a mountain to get out of Merrill once every other year?