FB: Empire 8

[fishfan]

Back in the day before facemasks.

[theoriginalupstate]

Fiashfan says all opinions are accepted.

Pep hasn't played one down of organized football. Thanks for allowing Pep to post on here, fishfan.

HA, classic...

+K

[superman57]

I was not allowed to play football for health reasons, so I watched A LOT... I grew up around the sport watching the sport, talking the sport, I have had conversations, with NFL players, and NFL agents about this sport, I have worked on NFL contracts and marketing deals... does this make me qualifed to talk about football on message boards...

[Bombers798891]

bombers # whatever where is your info.

I never claimed to be a player my friend. However, you did.

Being a player is not a requirement for understanding football. I'm not a chef, but I can tell when someone has burned a hamburger.

Of course SJF won't go 15-0 next season. I never said they would.

[maxpower]

Back in the day before facemasks.

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[Findtheball]

                FRied FIsh


            day old fish

              Good morning ladies

[Knightstalker]

I was not allowed to play football for health reasons, so I watched A LOT... I grew up around the sport watching the sport, talking the sport, I have had conversations, with NFL players, and NFL agents about this sport, I have worked on NFL contracts and marketing deals... does this make me qualifed to talk about football on message boards...

No, but your generally horrible spelling and grammar do qualify you to post.  Plus you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[Bombers798891]

Since we're already anticiapting Cortaca II, I thought I'd regale the faithful with some inside info they might not have know about the fatefull 1988 season, courtesy of someone I know who worked closely with that team...

Apparently, before Cortaca that year, the Ithaca coaches decided to get all the guys together for a breakfast. This was a departure from the norm because usually for home games--and they considered Cortland to be that, given how close it was--all of the guys had their own morning/breakfast routine. But for some reason, the coaches decided they'd do a team breakfast in the dining hall that day.

Well, according to Mike Scott, the starting running back, about 30 guys got sick from food they ate in the dining hall that day. Don't know specifically what it was, but apparently, half the team was sick for that matchup. Two weeks later, when Cortland came back for the rematch, the guys stuck to their own routine.

This my friends, is the info you don't get from a stat sheet!

Go Bombers!!!!

[SJF Fan]

Since we're already anticiapting Cortaca II,

Don't make the same mistake Hartwick did last season. . .

[Bombers798891]

Since we're already anticiapting Cortaca II,

Don't make the same mistake Hartwick did last season. . .

To re-post:

Well, Curry did beat Hartwick last season...however...

1) Hartwick's defense allowed 35 PPG last season and their point differential was only +16

The Wick won a lot of close games. Their 5 conference victories came by a total of 16 points and none was by more than 6 points. They allowed 35% of Utica's season total in points. Simply put, this was an 8-2 team lucky to be 8-2 instead of 5-5. Anyone who watched that team knows they survived by the skin of their teeth nearly every single week.

By contrast, Ithaca is only allowing 21 points per game, and have outscored their opponents +163. They have won five games this season by 20+ points.

2) Hartwick was playing on the road. Ithaca is playing at home

This is the crucial point. You guys should know how tough of a place Butterfield is to play. Ithaca was 5-0 at home this season. They have gone 38-3 at home since October of 2001. The only losses were to SJF in 2007, who was #6 in the country at the time, and to their archrival Cortland State. Ithaca has won their 5 home games this year by a combined 119 points. Four of those games were by at least 27 points. Simply put, Ithaca is almost unbeatable at home. You guys were 10 times the team Curry is and Cortland games are as much neutral site games as they are anything given the crowds for both squads.

Hartwick went 3-2 on the road in the 2007 regular season. They went 0-5 on the road in 2006 and 2-3 in 2005. It gets worse the farther back you go. Not for nothing, but comparing the Wick on the road to Ithaca at home is comparing apples to Porterhouse steaks. Curry beating a team that lost 66% of their road games the last three seasons is a lot easier than a team that has won 92% of its home games the last 7 years. Not to get cocky, but, rare exceptions aside, opposing teams just don't win at Butterfield.

Is Ithaca a lock to win? No. But Hartwick's a bad comparison, albeit the only one you can really make I suppose

[HHawks]

Since we're already anticiapting Cortaca II,

Don't make the same mistake Hartwick did last season. . .

To re-post:

Well, Curry did beat Hartwick last season...however...

1) Hartwick's defense allowed 35 PPG last season and their point differential was only +16

The Wick won a lot of close games. Their 5 conference victories came by a total of 16 points and none was by more than 6 points. They allowed 35% of Utica's season total in points. Simply put, this was an 8-2 team lucky to be 8-2 instead of 5-5. Anyone who watched that team knows they survived by the skin of their teeth nearly every single week.

By contrast, Ithaca is only allowing 21 points per game, and have outscored their opponents +163. They have won five games this season by 20+ points.

2) Hartwick was playing on the road. Ithaca is playing at home

This is the crucial point. You guys should know how tough of a place Butterfield is to play. Ithaca was 5-0 at home this season. They have gone 38-3 at home since October of 2001. The only losses were to SJF in 2007, who was #6 in the country at the time, and to their archrival Cortland State. Ithaca has won their 5 home games this year by a combined 119 points. Four of those games were by at least 27 points. Simply put, Ithaca is almost unbeatable at home. You guys were 10 times the team Curry is and Cortland games are as much neutral site games as they are anything given the crowds for both squads.

Hartwick went 3-2 on the road in the 2007 regular season. They went 0-5 on the road in 2006 and 2-3 in 2005. It gets worse the farther back you go. Not for nothing, but comparing the Wick on the road to Ithaca at home is comparing apples to Porterhouse steaks. Curry beating a team that lost 66% of their road games the last three seasons is a lot easier than a team that has won 92% of its home games the last 7 years. Not to get cocky, but, rare exceptions aside, opposing teams just don't win at Butterfield.

Is Ithaca a lock to win? No. But Hartwick's a bad comparison, albeit the only one you can really make I suppose

Ithaca please don't lose to curry. Last year Hartwick was looking forward to St. John Fisher part 2, and got Smacked in the mouth for it. Just take care of business this week then focus on Cortica II.

[SJF Fan]

Ithaca please don't lose to curry. Last year Hartwick was looking forward to St. John Fisher part 2, and got Smacked in the mouth for it.

Very much looking forward to playing 'Wick in '09

[SJFF82]

Ithaca please don't lose to curry. Last year Hartwick was looking forward to St. John Fisher part 2, and got Smacked in the mouth for it.

Very much looking forward to playing 'Wick in '09

Why...we cant beat 'em? 

[SJF Fan]

Ithaca please don't lose to curry. Last year Hartwick was looking forward to St. John Fisher part 2, and got Smacked in the mouth for it.

Very much looking forward to playing 'Wick in '09

Why...we cant beat 'em? 

I think there are several reasons.  1 being that 'Wick is a team that is truly hard to take very seriously.  Forget the fact that they are primarily a soccer school first, they've lost to Curry, and took more than 70 to beat Utica. 

When you have that kind of anecdotal evidence out there, after you get done beating up on a true football program (IC), I think its understandable that we just looked past them these last few seasons and had a hard time getting up for that game. . .

That changes in '09 though - 3 touchdown margin at least. 

[maxpower]

I love how the Fisher and Hartwick guys are still going back and forth at each other. It's like Canada and Greenland declaring war on each other---nobody cares.




Upstate- Not that we deserved to beat the Browns last night, but why? Why why why why why? This is so much worse than when the seasons were over after week 3...