FB: Empire 8

[cstate19]

I know you guys are talking other budget issues now....but most of the Stadium Complex (not just the FB field) was state grant money.  Cortland came up with very little for it.

Exactly and that wasn't just for football.  That was for every other sport.  In addition, the state allocated that money to inject a financial revenue boost to that area.  They now host plenty of High School championship games there.  You are talking apples and oranges here. 

This knowledge comes from my Cortland Business degree.  It is fun to explain it to you IC guys. 

Its more than apples and oranges.  States dont spend tens of millions of dollars for high school championship games.  That stadium is an advantage for Cortland, thats all Im saying. 

It is an advantage and thats why the "state school" chant is funny to me.  The added revenue from HS games was just my point to show that the stadium was not just built for Cortland Football.  It was a grant, not money thats included in the football budget which is what would be needed to expand the rosters and form a JV team.

added revenue from HS games?  Seriously? 

And I know how you have a business degree and all, but when a college doesnt have to spend money for a stadium (like Ithaca College would have to do) it frees up other money for other things.  And doesn't Cortland have a JV team?  Do they cut freshman football players?

No official JV team.  They might play a couple of games but absolutely nothing like Ithaca's.  Im not talking about gate receipts I am talking about the money generated for the town by visitors staying at hotels and eating in restaurants. 

The money was a grant.  If we did not get it we would not have built a stadium.  It did not free up any money.

[Bombers798891]

I know you guys are talking other budget issues now....but most of the Stadium Complex (not just the FB field) was state grant money.  Cortland came up with very little for it.

Exactly and that wasn't just for football.  That was for every other sport.  In addition, the state allocated that money to inject a financial revenue boost to that area.  They now host plenty of High School championship games there.  You are talking apples and oranges here. 

This knowledge comes from my Cortland Business degree.  It is fun to explain it to you IC guys. 

Its more than apples and oranges.  States dont spend tens of millions of dollars for high school championship games.  That stadium is an advantage for Cortland, thats all Im saying. 

It is an advantage and thats why the "state school" chant is funny to me.  The added revenue from HS games was just my point to show that the stadium was not just built for Cortland Football.  It was a grant, not money thats included in the football budget which is what would be needed to expand the rosters and form a JV team.

added revenue from HS games?  Seriously? 

And I know how you have a business degree and all, but when a college doesnt have to spend money for a stadium (like Ithaca College would have to do) it frees up other money for other things.  And doesn't Cortland have a JV team?  Do they cut freshman football players?

No official JV team.  They might play a couple of games but absolutely nothing like Ithaca's.  Im not talking about gate receipts I am talking about the money generated for the town by visitors staying at hotels and eating in restaurants. 

The money was a grant.  If we did not get it we would not have built a stadium.  It did not free up any money.

Cortland and IC play JV football every year...

[Jonny Utah]

I know you guys are talking other budget issues now....but most of the Stadium Complex (not just the FB field) was state grant money.  Cortland came up with very little for it.

Exactly and that wasn't just for football.  That was for every other sport.  In addition, the state allocated that money to inject a financial revenue boost to that area.  They now host plenty of High School championship games there.  You are talking apples and oranges here. 

This knowledge comes from my Cortland Business degree.  It is fun to explain it to you IC guys. 

Its more than apples and oranges.  States dont spend tens of millions of dollars for high school championship games.  That stadium is an advantage for Cortland, thats all Im saying. 

It is an advantage and thats why the "state school" chant is funny to me.  The added revenue from HS games was just my point to show that the stadium was not just built for Cortland Football.  It was a grant, not money thats included in the football budget which is what would be needed to expand the rosters and form a JV team.

added revenue from HS games?  Seriously? 

And I know how you have a business degree and all, but when a college doesnt have to spend money for a stadium (like Ithaca College would have to do) it frees up other money for other things.  And doesn't Cortland have a JV team?  Do they cut freshman football players?

No official JV team.  They might play a couple of games but absolutely nothing like Ithaca's.  Im not talking about gate receipts I am talking about the money generated for the town by visitors staying at hotels and eating in restaurants. 

The money was a grant.  If we did not get it we would not have built a stadium.  It did not free up any money.

I thought they played Ithacas JV team?

You dont see my point about State schools getting state grants?  It comes from the same place that their uniforms and coaches salaries come from, the NY State budget.  This is one of the best stadiums in the country built by tax money, for a state school.  That is an advantage that Cortland has, and Ithaca doesnt have.  It doesnt matter what the reasoning behind the project was, it matters that the stadium is there, and Cortland football uses it.

Do you think Cortland would have ended its football program if the Cortland City Building Dept told them that Carl Chugger Davis field was condemed?  I don't think so.

[cstate19]

I know you guys are talking other budget issues now....but most of the Stadium Complex (not just the FB field) was state grant money.  Cortland came up with very little for it.

Exactly and that wasn't just for football.  That was for every other sport.  In addition, the state allocated that money to inject a financial revenue boost to that area.  They now host plenty of High School championship games there.  You are talking apples and oranges here. 

This knowledge comes from my Cortland Business degree.  It is fun to explain it to you IC guys. 

Its more than apples and oranges.  States dont spend tens of millions of dollars for high school championship games.  That stadium is an advantage for Cortland, thats all Im saying. 

It is an advantage and thats why the "state school" chant is funny to me.  The added revenue from HS games was just my point to show that the stadium was not just built for Cortland Football.  It was a grant, not money thats included in the football budget which is what would be needed to expand the rosters and form a JV team.

added revenue from HS games?  Seriously? 

And I know how you have a business degree and all, but when a college doesnt have to spend money for a stadium (like Ithaca College would have to do) it frees up other money for other things.  And doesn't Cortland have a JV team?  Do they cut freshman football players?

No official JV team.  They might play a couple of games but absolutely nothing like Ithaca's.  Im not talking about gate receipts I am talking about the money generated for the town by visitors staying at hotels and eating in restaurants. 

The money was a grant.  If we did not get it we would not have built a stadium.  It did not free up any money.

I thought they played Ithacas JV team?

You dont see my point about State schools getting state grants?  It comes from the same place that their uniforms and coaches salaries come from, the NY State budget.  This is one of the best stadiums in the country built by tax money, for a state school.  That is an advantage that Cortland has, and Ithaca doesnt have.  It doesnt matter what the reasoning behind the project was, it matters that the stadium is there, and Cortland football uses it.

Do you think Cortland would have ended its football program if the Cortland City Building Dept told them that Carl Chugger Davis field was condemed?  I don't think so.

I think we are both right in our facts but we are both missing each others arguement.  I completely agree it is an advantage but there are financial aspects holding up our move to the E8. 

[Jonny Utah]

Ok that advantage was my only point.

And I still dont know if I buy the money argument either.

I mean, its not like they arent going to play each other or compete for the same playoff spots or national championship.  They are still going to spend the same amount of money either way right? 

Plus, how many overnight trips would Cortland save a year?

[cstate19]

Ok that advantage was my only point.

And I still dont know if I buy the money argument either.

I mean, its not like they arent going to play each other or compete for the same playoff spots or national championship.  They are still going to spend the same amount of money either way right? 

Plus, how many overnight trips would Cortland save a year?

The arguement makes sense in some ways.  I am not saying I am buying it I am just saying what I have heard as a potential reason for it not happening.  Where the heck is DP?  I know he had something about it on his blog earlier this year that broke it down pretty well.  He would know better then I would. 

[Jonny Utah]

Ok that advantage was my only point.

And I still dont know if I buy the money argument either.

I mean, its not like they arent going to play each other or compete for the same playoff spots or national championship.  They are still going to spend the same amount of money either way right? 

Plus, how many overnight trips would Cortland save a year?

The arguement makes sense in some ways.  I am not saying I am buying it I am just saying what I have heard as a potential reason for it not happening.  Where the heck is DP?  I know he had something about it on his blog earlier this year that broke it down pretty well.  He would know better then I would. 

Maybe its the theory of conference teams all having the same common philosophy "private/public/Catholic/liberal arts/etc" 

I can buy that one a little.

[XREDDRAGON77]

JU,
In my days as a Dragon, every away game was an overnight trip, one time 2 nights (Wash and Jeff).  I know we went to Jersey a lot as an independent, and also in our first year in the NJAC....which meant 5+ hour rides at best.  We also overnighted Brockport 1.5-2 hours I believe it was.  We were also going to overnight 2 Cortaca games but that was due to the insanity on and around the campus.  Those were the only road games where we did not stay over.

[E8]

Ithaca please don't lose to curry. Last year Hartwick was looking forward to St. John Fisher part 2, and got Smacked in the mouth for it.

Very much looking forward to playing 'Wick in '09

I think they said the same thing last year.

[Jonny Utah]

JU,
In my days as a Dragon, every away game was an overnight trip, one time 2 nights (Wash and Jeff).  I know we went to Jersey a lot as an independent, and also in our first year in the NJAC....which meant 5+ hour rides at best.  We also overnighted Brockport 1.5-2 hours I believe it was.  We were also going to overnight 2 Cortaca games but that was due to the insanity on and around the campus.  Those were the only road games where we did not stay over.

Yea we were a little different

Day trips:
-Aflred
-Hobart
-Cortland
-Mansfield
-Brockport

Overnight
-Springfield
-AIC
-St. Lawrence
-Buff St.
-W&J
-Mercyhurst

[E8]

Memo to E8; 1 shuttle pass is not attacking the middle of the field. 1 completion to a TE for 5 yards is not attacking the middle of the field. This pass was completed between the numbers and the sidelines, not attacking the middle of the field. Passes were caught and the receivers ran to the middle, but other than 1 shuttle pass, nothing was down the middle. QB's last two games 47/90 4int's, vs Alfred 31/60 3int's, 9/21 on 3RD downs. 29 plays gained ZERO yards, or 1 out of every 3 plays called = no gain. Robby Browns pass/eff is 108,Tommy Hamels is 159.27. Fisher's TD red zone eff. is 49%. The Fisher O was sluggish all year long, mostly inpart to poor play calling. As far as Tim Marion he caught 49 balls all year, 14 vs Alfred, why just one game. Marion is a route runner Baily is at his best when the play breaks down and he can throw the deep ball. Baily is not a system QB, neither are the WR's comming back next year.  Why was Hammel never give a chance? Best of luck to Ithaca, Cortland and Hobart, do New York D3 proud, BEAT MUC.

Pretty weak Fishfan.  Are you kidding me with 'shuttle' pass?  That ruins your credibility right there, so I won't dignify the rest of that with a response.  It was a 4 yard completion by the way, and when did I say it was a middle of the field completion?   There were two SHOVEL passes in the game, by the way, not just one.   Are you actually serious with Robby Brown's and Tommy Hammel's passing efficiency when they attempted a TOTAL of 13 between them??? Are you comparing that to Tim Bailey's 330 attempts?  Really?  Bailey is at his best when a play breaks down?  Really??  If you are going to add an opinion, please provide facts to back it up.

Why was Hammel never given a chance?  Answer and FACT: He was given a GREAT chance.  A chance that EVERY player gets.  That chance is called SPRING BALL and TRAINING CAMP.   That does not detract from his ability, but is an answer to your feeble question of why he "never given a chance"

[E8]

There is no doubt in my mind that without the loss to SJFC, Ithaca would not have come this far.   That loss changed their season in a good way, and set things into perspective for them.  They are a talented and very physical football team and a physical style will allow them to go deep into this tournament.   IC vs. MUC in the East Final without a doubt, in my opinion.   If they use Weverbergh, their TE, as much as possible it is going to open up a lot of holes in the MUC defense.   MUC defense bends, but they don't break.  You can move the football on them, there are holes, but they hunker down in the Red Zone and it's almost as if 15 guys are on the defense.   Red Zone is where you need to use Wev.  He needs to have 10+ catches in that game for Ithaca to have a chance.

But I'm getting ahead of myself as they need to take care of business in weeks prior to that ultimate matchup.

Ithaca is representing the E8 and I for one am rooting for a REAL east team in the east bracket!  Go Bombers!

[E8]

JU,
In my days as a Dragon, every away game was an overnight trip, one time 2 nights (Wash and Jeff).  I know we went to Jersey a lot as an independent, and also in our first year in the NJAC....which meant 5+ hour rides at best.  We also overnighted Brockport 1.5-2 hours I believe it was.  We were also going to overnight 2 Cortaca games but that was due to the insanity on and around the campus.  Those were the only road games where we did not stay over.

Yea we were a little different

Day trips:
-Aflred
-Hobart
-Cortland
-Mansfield
-Brockport

Overnight
-Springfield
-AIC
-St. Lawrence
-Buff St.
-W&J
-Mercyhurst

Wow, brought back some memories:

Day Trips:
Brockport
Hobart
UofR
Hartwick
Alfred
Buff St.

Overnight:
RPI
Catholic
Galludet
Salve Regina
Jersey City State
Western Connecticut
Gannon

82, did I miss anything?

[Knightstalker]

Where did you guys stay overnight when traveling to Jersey City?  One of the nice motels on Tonnelle Ave with the hourly stay rates?

[dewcrew88]

JU,
In my days as a Dragon, every away game was an overnight trip, one time 2 nights (Wash and Jeff).  I know we went to Jersey a lot as an independent, and also in our first year in the NJAC....which meant 5+ hour rides at best.  We also overnighted Brockport 1.5-2 hours I believe it was.  We were also going to overnight 2 Cortaca games but that was due to the insanity on and around the campus.  Those were the only road games where we did not stay over.

Yea we were a little different

Day trips:
-Aflred
-Hobart
-Cortland
-Mansfield
-Brockport

Overnight
-Springfield
-AIC
-St. Lawrence
-Buff St.
-W&J
-Mercyhurst

My first year when we played Alfred it was an overnight trip from Utica. We stayed in a motel in Hornell.