FB: Empire 8

[Pat Coleman]

1971 predates Division III.

Can't believe we're still talking about Boltus. I'll bottom-line it here a bit: He'll get looks, he'll get a shot. He may not get a Combine invite but it'll be OK if he doesn't. He'll end up with a fair number of tryouts and likely a free agent contract right after the draft.

From there it's what he makes of it. And probably how the breaks go, too.

[BoSox0322]

1971 predates Division III.

Can't believe we're still talking about Boltus. I'll bottom-line it here a bit: He'll get looks, he'll get a shot. He may not get a Combine invite but it'll be OK if he doesn't. He'll end up with a fair number of tryouts and likely a free agent contract right after the draft.

From there it's what he makes of it. And probably how the breaks go, too.

sounds about right

[boobyhasgameyo]

1971 predates Division III.

Can't believe we're still talking about Boltus. I'll bottom-line it here a bit: He'll get looks, he'll get a shot. He may not get a Combine invite but it'll be OK if he doesn't. He'll end up with a fair number of tryouts and likely a free agent contract right after the draft.

From there it's what he makes of it. And probably how the breaks go, too.

Pat, in our defense....What else are we going to talk about in E8 land  ?  It was kind of an embarassing year for the conference, we are just trying to find ways to make it to next September. 

['gro]

Gro has found the Boltus highlight tape on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_tk2GjFhJA

[wickfan]

Well, the SAME thing was said by a number of people about Pierre Garcon for the past few years and Indy went and got him and he is actually contributing this year.

Let's just note how impressive it is when NFL scouts come to see a D3 QB... and then speak positively about him.   It's just good for D3 football.....

Surely you know the difference between making the NFL at WR or RB, and making it at QB. Apples and oranges, I'm afraid.

HHawks, I have no doubt that you've watched him for the past few years and think he's the real deal. Unfortunately, that myopic opinion and .75 cents will get you a bag of chips. I think you're overestimating Boltus's arm. I think it's an average to above-average D1 arm from the couple of times I've seen him play. I also think he makes poor decisions when he's under pressure, a big red flag to any NFL organization. Time will tell when he has the opportunity to compete against other QB's from higher levels. I just don't see him being NFL-ready nine months from now. He is relatively raw and will need A LOT of time to develop.

I believe it will be a long shot he gets drafted. It is probably to his benefit if he doesn't. He can then weigh any options he may have to sign as a free agent.

On the arm strength, one of the Hartwick coaches said the SD Charger scout says he has a better arm then Rivers does.
On top of that, I was standing right next to all the NY Giants QBs this summer at Albany. Boltus throws the ball as well as anyone there. Arm strength will not be the issue. Decision making will be the deciding factor due to the level he played at. But, like the Colts scout said, he wasn't throwing against D1 DBs but he wasn't throwing to D1 WRs either.

[clandfan]

Agreed.  It will be a matter of timing and how quick he can catch up to the speed of the game.  Speed of receivers, speed of dbs,  speed of decision making.  He will have to make quicker reads.  He has the tools...whether or not he can use them at that level will be the big question.  I wish him well.

[superman57]

Boltus getting drafted would be great for DIII... but would it be good for Jason... I think the best thing for Jason would be to spend some time in the AFL where it is a lot faster and get used to the speed and then see about getting into the NFL...

[gobombers15]

Well, the SAME thing was said by a number of people about Pierre Garcon for the past few years and Indy went and got him and he is actually contributing this year.

Let's just note how impressive it is when NFL scouts come to see a D3 QB... and then speak positively about him.   It's just good for D3 football.....

Surely you know the difference between making the NFL at WR or RB, and making it at QB. Apples and oranges, I'm afraid.

HHawks, I have no doubt that you've watched him for the past few years and think he's the real deal. Unfortunately, that myopic opinion and .75 cents will get you a bag of chips. I think you're overestimating Boltus's arm. I think it's an average to above-average D1 arm from the couple of times I've seen him play. I also think he makes poor decisions when he's under pressure, a big red flag to any NFL organization. Time will tell when he has the opportunity to compete against other QB's from higher levels. I just don't see him being NFL-ready nine months from now. He is relatively raw and will need A LOT of time to develop.

I believe it will be a long shot he gets drafted. It is probably to his benefit if he doesn't. He can then weigh any options he may have to sign as a free agent.

On the arm strength, one of the Hartwick coaches said the SD Charger scout says he has a better arm then Rivers does.
On top of that, I was standing right next to all the NY Giants QBs this summer at Albany. Boltus throws the ball as well as anyone there. Arm strength will not be the issue. Decision making will be the deciding factor due to the level he played at. But, like the Colts scout said, he wasn't throwing against D1 DBs but he wasn't throwing to D1 WRs either.

Oh, he has a stronger arm than Philip Rivers? In that case, draft him 4th overall! What is that supposed to mean? I think every poster on this board has a stronger arm than Chad Pennington. Are we playing QB in the NFL?! Again, that means nothing. I wasn't that blown away with Boltus's arm. I certainly don't think it was any better than most of the Conference USA QB's that I watched through the years. Most of whom are not in the NFL.

The difference between Boltus and Rivers/Eli Manning is that Boltus didn't spend his college years torching the SEC and ACC. I hope he gets a shot in the Arena League.

[Yanks 99]

Well, the SAME thing was said by a number of people about Pierre Garcon for the past few years and Indy went and got him and he is actually contributing this year.

Let's just note how impressive it is when NFL scouts come to see a D3 QB... and then speak positively about him.   It's just good for D3 football.....

Surely you know the difference between making the NFL at WR or RB, and making it at QB. Apples and oranges, I'm afraid.

HHawks, I have no doubt that you've watched him for the past few years and think he's the real deal. Unfortunately, that myopic opinion and .75 cents will get you a bag of chips. I think you're overestimating Boltus's arm. I think it's an average to above-average D1 arm from the couple of times I've seen him play. I also think he makes poor decisions when he's under pressure, a big red flag to any NFL organization. Time will tell when he has the opportunity to compete against other QB's from higher levels. I just don't see him being NFL-ready nine months from now. He is relatively raw and will need A LOT of time to develop.

I believe it will be a long shot he gets drafted. It is probably to his benefit if he doesn't. He can then weigh any options he may have to sign as a free agent.

On the arm strength, one of the Hartwick coaches said the SD Charger scout says he has a better arm then Rivers does.
On top of that, I was standing right next to all the NY Giants QBs this summer at Albany. Boltus throws the ball as well as anyone there. Arm strength will not be the issue. Decision making will be the deciding factor due to the level he played at. But, like the Colts scout said, he wasn't throwing against D1 DBs but he wasn't throwing to D1 WRs either.

Oh, he has a stronger arm than Philip Rivers? In that case, draft him 4th overall! What is that supposed to mean? I think every poster on this board has a stronger arm than Chad Pennington. Are we playing QB in the NFL?! Again, that means nothing. I wasn't that blown away with Boltus's arm. I certainly don't think it was any better than most of the Conference USA QB's that I watched through the years. Most of whom are not in the NFL.

The difference between Boltus and Rivers/Eli Manning is that Boltus didn't spend his college years torching the SEC and ACC. I hope he gets a shot in the Arena League.

Easy GB15...let people have their hopes and fun with this, even if for a moment.  Is it a long shot that Boltus gets drafted...yes.  We all know the odds of a D3 QB getting taken with a draft pick.  Is it possible he will be wearing an NFL uniform in some capacity next season...even for a moment...yes, very possible and is more like probable.  Will he be a big star...who knows...stranger things have happened.

This is great for the E8.  Everyone has heard something different from what they consider reliable sources.  Who knows if things will pan out.  In the meantime, even if for one second, can't we just appreciate what this kid has done?  He is more then just from a "gimmick" offense (not my words, I believe they were yours).  Sure, those stats helped him get noticed, but it is his size/athleticism that give him a shot at the next level.  Nothing more.  If stats were the only thing they looked at, then the kid from Guiliford would be getting more of a look.  For one second, can't you pull your head out of your "IC is the greatest school on earth" ass and simply root for a kid from the E8 to make it big? 

[theoriginalupstate]

I think all of us have said we hope he makes it, but as non wick fans we know that it would be a miracle if he gets more than a cup of coffee in the NFL...

[Yanks 99]

I think all of us have said we hope he makes it, but as non wick fans we know that it would be a miracle if he gets more than a cup of coffee in the NFL...

Sure it would...but I bet everyone of us would love to get that cup of coffee.  This has nothing to do with being a Wick fan either.  I rooted hard for the SJF TE a few years ago to make it, and was pumped when Garcon got drafted.  Upstate, normally you and I agree on nothing...but I agree with you and pretty much everyone else on here.  It is a longshot for Boltus to make it...but the kid does have a shot.  GB15 is talking like this kid is a gimmick and it is an embarrassment that he is even being considered.

[superman57]

I think that Boltus will make some noise with an AFL 2 team... or maybe even get a shot with the new USFL that is starting up next year... and who knows if he works hard and makes improvments he could make an impact on the NFL

[fisheralum91]

i tend to agree with pat on this topic---this is a tired issue
if he gets drafted- great
if he doesnt - fine

no big deal

i think we all wish him well

[AUPepBand]

Pep is hoping like others that this dead horse we keep kicking will make a bolt(us) for the E8PP door. Pep wishes him the best and is also happy he won't be suited in Hawk attire in 2009 at Merrill Field.

On Saxon Warriors!

[gobombers15]

Well, the SAME thing was said by a number of people about Pierre Garcon for the past few years and Indy went and got him and he is actually contributing this year.

Let's just note how impressive it is when NFL scouts come to see a D3 QB... and then speak positively about him.   It's just good for D3 football.....

Surely you know the difference between making the NFL at WR or RB, and making it at QB. Apples and oranges, I'm afraid.

HHawks, I have no doubt that you've watched him for the past few years and think he's the real deal. Unfortunately, that myopic opinion and .75 cents will get you a bag of chips. I think you're overestimating Boltus's arm. I think it's an average to above-average D1 arm from the couple of times I've seen him play. I also think he makes poor decisions when he's under pressure, a big red flag to any NFL organization. Time will tell when he has the opportunity to compete against other QB's from higher levels. I just don't see him being NFL-ready nine months from now. He is relatively raw and will need A LOT of time to develop.

I believe it will be a long shot he gets drafted. It is probably to his benefit if he doesn't. He can then weigh any options he may have to sign as a free agent.

On the arm strength, one of the Hartwick coaches said the SD Charger scout says he has a better arm then Rivers does.
On top of that, I was standing right next to all the NY Giants QBs this summer at Albany. Boltus throws the ball as well as anyone there. Arm strength will not be the issue. Decision making will be the deciding factor due to the level he played at. But, like the Colts scout said, he wasn't throwing against D1 DBs but he wasn't throwing to D1 WRs either.

Oh, he has a stronger arm than Philip Rivers? In that case, draft him 4th overall! What is that supposed to mean? I think every poster on this board has a stronger arm than Chad Pennington. Are we playing QB in the NFL?! Again, that means nothing. I wasn't that blown away with Boltus's arm. I certainly don't think it was any better than most of the Conference USA QB's that I watched through the years. Most of whom are not in the NFL.

The difference between Boltus and Rivers/Eli Manning is that Boltus didn't spend his college years torching the SEC and ACC. I hope he gets a shot in the Arena League.

Easy GB15...let people have their hopes and fun with this, even if for a moment.  Is it a long shot that Boltus gets drafted...yes.  We all know the odds of a D3 QB getting taken with a draft pick.  Is it possible he will be wearing an NFL uniform in some capacity next season...even for a moment...yes, very possible and is more like probable.  Will he be a big star...who knows...stranger things have happened.

This is great for the E8.  Everyone has heard something different from what they consider reliable sources.  Who knows if things will pan out.  In the meantime, even if for one second, can't we just appreciate what this kid has done?  He is more then just from a "gimmick" offense (not my words, I believe they were yours).  Sure, those stats helped him get noticed, but it is his size/athleticism that give him a shot at the next level.  Nothing more.  If stats were the only thing they looked at, then the kid from Guiliford would be getting more of a look.  For one second, can't you pull your head out of your "IC is the greatest school on earth" ass and simply root for a kid from the E8 to make it big? 

Hmm, this statement might be accurate if:

1) I hadn't said on several occasions over the course of this conversation that I wish the best for Boltus and hope he does make it. Look it up, ace.

2) I wasn't the most vehement critic of Mike Welch on these boards (see my posts about IC's play-calling after the Fisher game, and his lack of testicular fortitude in the Curry game). I love my alma mater but it cannot be disputed that I take the team to task when I see something I don't like.

You 'Wick fans need to stop taking it as a personal affront whenever someone says something not 100% pro-Boltus. The guy does have some flaws, you know. That you don't like to hear about them is not my problem.