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[Apple Jack]

tgp,

dont ask them what they think the all time is though, somewhere along the line this engineering school decided to give themselves 2 more wins then they actually have.

bigdvs could easily reply with the same 2 word negative statement about RPI that has followed all of their posts but instead will choose to keep it positve (Hands over head like a true O'Doyle)

UNION RULES!! at least that's what coach audino told me on my recruiting visit

dont feel bad that you goes over at the u are always one step behind in the creativity department....

[Frank Rossi]

Anyone else having trouble with the relative positioning of Rowan in the D3Football.com Top 25 Poll?  It's not like the Profs have had a stellar year right now:

12 Wilkes 9-0 362 13 Def Susquehanna 35-7 at King's (10.778)
13 Rowan 6-2 271 17 Def No. 15 Cortland State 14-7 vs. William Paterson (9.714)
14 Springfield 8-1 238 18 Def Hartwick 44-20 at Norwich (11.444)
15 Cortland State 8-1 233 12 Lost to No. 13 Rowan 14-7 vs. Ithaca (9.500)
16 Union 7-1 223 20 Def No. 22 Hobart 31-14 at RPI (10.875)
17 St. John Fisher 8-1 206 19 Open Date at Alfred (11.111)
22 Hobart 7-1 121 14 Lost to No. 16 Union 31-14 vs. Rochester (11.125)
25 Ithaca 7-2 55 16 Lost to Alfred 28-17 at Cortland State (9.250)

I included the QoW index at the end of each line.  I think that while the QoW index could be somewhat deceptive when comparing two teams and the index is +/- 1.000 or less between teams.   However, Rowan's QoW is almost 1.4 points below SJF, 1.7 points below Springfield, 1.1 points below Union and 1.4 points below Hobart.  That's pretty awkward, and the QoW will not be boosted by Rowan's game vs. William Patterson.  Why so high on the ballots?!

[lewdogg11]

Anyone else having trouble with the relative positioning of Rowan in the D3Football.com Top 25 Poll?  It's not like the Profs have had a stellar year right now:

12 Wilkes 9-0 362 13 Def Susquehanna 35-7 at King's (10.778)
13 Rowan 6-2 271 17 Def No. 15 Cortland State 14-7 vs. William Paterson (9.714)
14 Springfield 8-1 238 18 Def Hartwick 44-20 at Norwich (11.444)
15 Cortland State 8-1 233 12 Lost to No. 13 Rowan 14-7 vs. Ithaca (9.500)
16 Union 7-1 223 20 Def No. 22 Hobart 31-14 at RPI (10.875)
17 St. John Fisher 8-1 206 19 Open Date at Alfred (11.111)
22 Hobart 7-1 121 14 Lost to No. 16 Union 31-14 vs. Rochester (11.125)
25 Ithaca 7-2 55 16 Lost to Alfred 28-17 at Cortland State (9.250)

I included the QoW index at the end of each line.  I think that while the QoW index could be somewhat deceptive when comparing two teams and the index is +/- 1.000 or less between teams.   However, Rowan's QoW is almost 1.4 points below SJF, 1.7 points below Springfield, 1.1 points below Union and 1.4 points below Hobart.  That's pretty awkward, and the QoW will not be boosted by Rowan's game vs. William Patterson.  Why so high on the ballots?!

It's because the Rowan uni's tend to give instant boners to poll voters...

[labart96]

Probably b/c until proven otherwise, Rowan has been a regular presence in the East Region Final for the past several seasons.

However, the fact it took them OT to defeat a Cortland team that basically had no QB shows that this is definitely one of the more beatable Rowan squads in years. 

Oh yeah, and the poo and pee colored unis give them an extra (#)2.0 in the QoW index.

[Tlm]

This is not meant to be disrespectful in any way as I honestly believe that the emergence of RPI as a football power had more to do with Union's efforts to upgrade their own program over the past 10 years then any single factor.

With all due respect I have to confess that I am a little dissapointed with RPI this year.  At the beginning of the season I picked the Engineers to win the LL, and while I admit that there was a somewhat gratuitous element to that selection, even the RPI folks have to acknowledge some dissapointment with RPI's performance this season.

Last year's battle for the Shoes at Union was for everything and it was a memorable football game.

In all honesty, at the beginning of the season I thought this week's battle for the Shoes would have everything on the line including the league championship and the AQ for the NCAA's.  As it stands, RPI is playing only to get the Shoes back from Coach Audino's dining room table and Union is playing for a higher seed in the NCAA tounament.  Even if RPI wins, I don't think they will receive an ECAC bid with 3 losses.

With the entire offense back running the spread offense as well as any DIII team in the nation and enough defenders to be respectable, I really don't  know what went wrong in Troy this season.  Perhaps some of the RPI faithful have a better insight then I do, but I can not understand why RPI didn't roll over opponents all season long.  

[icgrad87]

Just wanted to say good luck to both teams this weekend & GO ENGINEERS!!...did I say that???

[lewdogg11]

This is not meant to be disrespectful in any way as I honestly believe that the emergence of RPI as a football power had more to do with Union's efforts to upgrade their own program over the past 10 years then any single factor.

With all due respect I have to confess that I am a little dissapointed with RPI this year.  At the beginning of the season I picked the Engineers to win the LL, and while I admit that there was a somewhat gratuitous element to that selection, even the RPI folks have to acknowledge some dissapointment with RPI's performance this season.

Last year's battle for the Shoes at Union was for everything and it was a memorable football game.

In all honesty, at the beginning of the season I thought this week's battle for the Shoes would have everything on the line including the league championship and the AQ for the NCAA's.  As it stands, RPI is playing only to get the Shoes back from Coach Audino's dining room table and Union is playing for a higher seed in the NCAA tounament.  Even if RPI wins, I don't think they will receive an ECAC bid with 3 losses.

With the entire offense back running the spread offense as well as any DIII team in the nation and enough defenders to be respectable, I really don't  know what went wrong in Troy this season.  Perhaps some of the RPI faithful have a better insight then I do, but I can not understand why RPI didn't roll over opponents all season long.  

TLM, I have to 100% agree with your assessment.  RPI either severely dropped the ball this year, or they were extremely overrated.  Plus, they are in the even year curse, that the team can't have a great year on an even calendar year.  

I thought RPI would run the table this year.  And they probably could have.  Maybe there was too much hype about the offense that they forgot all about defense?  Who knows.  

Unfortunately, i'm at the point in my life that I am a front runner.  I enjoy d3 football, and all it involves, but if the season isn't as successful as it was once thought to be, you gotta just accept it, and hope for better things next year.  Can you place blame here or there?  Absolutely.  Does it do any good?  Probably not.  

RPI's season can be summed up with 1 word.  Dissapointing.  They have a cupcake schedule and still could end up 5-4.  Bottom line is, you can have all the talent and the world, but if you don't perform, you're not a very good team.  Maybe this team didn't have the right tools to throw 50 times a game.  Maybe they should have changed their defensive scheme?  Who knows.  Bottom line is they dropped the ball this year.  Beating Union won't make it all better, but it will be a stepping stone for next year.  Losing to Union won't be anything more than expected.  So, it is what it is.  I hope RPI beats Union, Audino's pants fall down to show how tiny his meat stick is, and then Union makes a dent int he NCAA's.  But if things don't go that way, then there's always next year.

['gro]

As Lewdogg has mentioned, RPI's defense was overlooked (by the fans) in the offseason. Everyone saw the entire starting offense back and predicted RPI would roll. haven't seen the engineers in person, only on a feed of the MMA game and of course those stellar radio broadcasts. I would have to say they just haven't executed on defense (scheme, player ability, play calling, it doesn't matter. it's just not up to par). Not to let the offense off the hook, they have committed some costly turnovers in a few games. These are the same teams we see over and over, and we lose? Unacceptable.

So, in comes union. A team that is clearly beatable since
A. Its Union, we can beat them
B. They might have playoffs on the mind
C. This is a team that almost lost to WPI (who opted to go for 2 and the win)

As a fan, the 3 losses linger. It sucks. You want them to be the best every year. But if Coach King is doing what he gets paid to do, then this week is nothing but Union and a focus on beating them.

And if coach audino is doing what he gets paid to do, then he's searching for Rudy on myspace, trying to get in on those speaking deals and movie scripts.

[PBR...]

RPI will be so far out front by halftime they may ask 'gro/reg/ld to suit up for old times sake and some good laughs to finish out and bring home da shoes!!!   8)

[Reno Hightower]

As Lewdogg has mentioned, RPI's defense was overlooked (by the fans) in the offseason. Everyone saw the entire starting offense back and predicted RPI would roll. haven't seen the engineers in person, only on a feed of the MMA game and of course those stellar radio broadcasts. I would have to say they just haven't executed on defense (scheme, player ability, play calling, it doesn't matter. it's just not up to par). Not to let the offense off the hook, they have committed some costly turnovers in a few games. These are the same teams we see over and over, and we lose? Unacceptable.

So, in comes union. A team that is clearly beatable since
A. Its Union, we can beat them
B. They might have playoffs on the mind
C. This is a team that almost lost to WPI (who opted to go for 2 and the win)

As a fan, the 3 losses linger. It sucks. You want them to be the best every year. But if Coach King is doing what he gets paid to do, then this week is nothing but Union and a focus on beating them.

And if coach audino is doing what he gets paid to do, then he's searching for Rudy on myspace, trying to get in on those speaking deals and movie scripts.

Not everyone, if you do enough research on there very Post Patters, you will find somewhere a post by Reno Hightower that though he respected the heck out of RPI and the talent that they had on Offense, he just wasnt going to be sold on them until he was proven to that they did something about their defense which could not stop Hobart or Union in 2005.

With that said. It's a rivalry game, throw the records out....

[labart96]

In all the years TGP has spent around the LLPP, TGP has yet to see anything from the Rocho faithful.  Maybe it's b/c they are all nerds, or maybe they don't really give a crap about their football team (there aren't exactly a TON of Bart fans on the LLPP either)?

Regardless, what do the Union and RPI folks on the LLPP think of Deez Beez since your teams have already played them?

They seem succeptible to the deep ball - based on their being last in the LL in passing D, but are opportunistic - #1 in turnover margin (+12).

It may be pointless to bring this up during "Shoe" week, but for Bart, this game means either an ECAC or NCAA berth.  Dems pretty high stakes.

[Tlm]

TGP,

This is the best UofR team in recent memory with a high-powered offense and a lot of senior leadership.  Having said that, I think that the Bart will beat them by 2 TD's at Boswell to earn a Pool C bid with UofR hopefully heading to the ECAC's

[Frank Rossi]

TGP,

This is the best UofR team in recent memory with a high-powered offense and a lot of senior leadership.  Having said that, I think that the Bart will beat them by 2 TD's at Boswell to earn a Pool C bid with UofR hopefully heading to the ECAC's

'bart in a stomp.  34-13.

[theoriginalupstate]

Ive got UR taking Bart out of the Pool C sweepstakes in a 24-17 win....

[labart96]

TGP,

This is the best UofR team in recent memory with a high-powered offense and a lot of senior leadership.  Having said that, I think that the Bart will beat them by 2 TD's at Boswell to earn a Pool C bid with UofR hopefully heading to the ECAC's

'bart in a stomp.  34-13.

TGP wishes he had your confidence.  

The sting of last weekend's dominance by Union/collapse by Bart has somewhat shaken TGP's resolve.  However, TGP still has some faith left that last weekend was a combo great game by Union/bad one for Hobart and Bart will be able to re-group in order to beat the Beez.