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[Cardinals10]

bigdvs,

Well stated!

Although when remarks are mentioned about your particular program on another board (LL vs E8) then defending remarks are necessary.  I was at the Union game and didn't expect that turnout.  Was Mr. A playing injured, bad coaching decisions, etc...  I was told this long ago, as many of us who played, any team can lose on any given gameday!  But when unintelligent and unresearched comments are made about particular programs then those comments must be squashed immediately!

Union had a great season!  

I hope that a Fisher and Union matchup could become an annual battle?  Who knows anything is possible.

[Frank Rossi]

Mr. Rossi,

Your posting was less than substantial aginst SJF!

1.  You mention the defensive scheme SJF played last week vs. Springfield - stack too many in the box and won!

Ummm - First off, nice number of posts for a person spouting off.  What position do you play?

And I ask that because it's obvious that someone bitch-slapped you a little too hard on Saturday; you apparently didn't read/comprehend what I wrote.  I never faulted SJF for placing too many people in the box against Springfield.  My statement was that SJF learned from the first game that you can take that gamble with Springfield and win as long as you're willing to give up one or two big plays.  Then I stated that the same defense would not work against a two-dimensional offense (like Rowan) -- I made that statement because of this springboarding going on by SJF posters that Saturday's game (and the prior week's game) prove that Fisher's defense is so great.  My point is that neither game proved greatness.  There are signs of some great things there, no doubt.  However, resting on your laurels about the defense really will hurt you at the end of the day.

2.  You mention the Union game and didn't give a lick of credit to the Fisher D (completely different scheme) but gave excuses of the opposing offense.  What was the verdict of that game?  A blowout?!?!

I credit the Fisher victories to a "well balanced" attack.  They can obviously match up offensively and defensively to any team.  Have you check the difference in average point for vs. point against for Fisher?  Obviously not - I'll give it to you 29 points.  

I"ve got an idea with your knowledge and postings - either post them to the E8 board or stick your head in a toilet and flush!

Get a clue and revisit your comments.

And then of course I mentioned what happened to Union's offense in the SJF/Union game -- it became one-dimensional by the end of the first quarter when Arcidiacono, who may have twisted his other ankle at the RPI game the week before, couldn't cut.  It took Union out of any running scheme and made it much easier for SJF's defense to play the pass.  Would Union have won the game with a 100% TA?  It would've been closer, but probably not a win.  However, it's been no secret that Union has its bad and good games -- and that was a bad game from the start, meaning Union was not Rowan-like on that Saturday.  

Again, spout off all you want, but it's really not going to help matters by Saturday.  THIS IS THE PLAYOFFS, SON.  Throw out the numbers from the first 10 games.  That's how you got to the tournament.  Saturday is a new day -- and it will be against a big, successful team.  Don't focus on beating me up -- focus on beating Rowan up.

[Frank Rossi]

Wow, I usually don't say much on these boards I just observe but this is quite ridiculous  Frank.  I respect your opinions but your views on the Fisher defense these past few weeks have been idiotic.  You must not know much about football if you think the Fisher defense is lacking.  Before the Union game you said fisher "lacked defensive team speed."  haha.  that is there strongpoint.  And I wouldnt call the Rowan offense balanced.  I heard they aren't a very good offensive team from several cortland followers.  After saturday you'll have to give the Fisher defense the respect they deserve!! Go Fisher!!

Listen, I'd like to see Fisher win Saturday.  However, I'm seeing posts saying, "Fisher will have the game in hand by the third quarter" and the such.  If people begin to believe that, then Rowan's got the game in the bag already.  SJF should not be intimidated by Rowan, but SJF should respect that Rowan is a powerhouse (maybe having a down year, but I'd take a down Rowan year over and up Curry year any year).  Comparisons of prior games really need to stop -- and a focus on Rowan is what is necessary to win the game.  Many SJF fans (and it may be contagious to or from the staff/players) are taking Saturday too lightly already.  Rowan is more balanced than either of the two teams Fisher faced the last two games (Union due to injury, Springfield due to their base scheme).  I've seen Rowan play a year ago -- and things have not changed THAT much in a year.

[superman57]

Frank I don''t think anyone is saying that fisher will have rowan wraped up by the 3rd quater...what I've been saying is that if fisher is to win this game they need to make it a shootout because I don't think the rowan offense can score at will on the Fisher D...and if the Fisher O is clicking then it could become troublesome for rowan

[boobyhasgameyo]

No Frank is right some of the Fisher posters have been taking Rowan a little too lightly but as long as the Fisher coaches aren't then that should be a dead issue.  But a couple of posters have mentioned their speed, is it speed on offense/defense/both? I am anxious to see this now and while I believe Fisher is by no means a slow team maybe this exposure to speed will help them out if they advance so they will get a glimpse of what is to come the next week.  That is iffffffff they win mind you. 

[radiomike]

No Frank is right some of the Fisher posters have been taking Rowan a little too lightly but as long as the Fisher coaches aren't then that should be a dead issue.  But a couple of posters have mentioned their speed, is it speed on offense/defense/both? I am anxious to see this now and while I believe Fisher is by no means a slow team maybe this exposure to speed will help them out if they advance so they will get a glimpse of what is to come the next week.  That is iffffffff they win mind you. 

Both...
They have great speed on D, and if their offense is clicking on the running and receiver game, it could be a nice challenge for the Fisher D. Seeing Rowan play Hobart, their O-line can be puched through. They also ran hurry up the entire time, so I am not sure if that will be in their arsenal or not for this game.

[Tags]

Frank-

I understand you try to be as objective as you can on here, but it's fairly obvious to me that you just don't want to give Fisher any credit (and you're certainly not alone). Fisher has been picked to lose the past 2 weeks - Each week they did exactly what everyone said they weren't going to be able to do.

Let's not forget that they play better vs. traditional offenses. Rowan won't be able to run the ball Saturday so they'll be focused on the air attack. With a very marginal running attack & a QB who has more INT's than TD's, it seems to me that the odds favor Fisher & people should be admitting to that.  

[radiomike]

Who to cheer for? Fisher, due to their location relative to Geneva, or Rowan, the team that beat Hobart closely? I am not really a fan of "well, our lost to a team that was runner-up to the national champion" nor we should support the remaining New York State team. So, how chooseth, when the two remaining East teams are non LL?

[Tags]

I'd also like to say that I'm not taking Rowan lightly. They seem to have a great defense that can keep them in the game.

The game Saturday will by no means be an easy win.

[Frank Rossi]

Frank-

I understand you try to be as objective as you can on here, but it's fairly obvious to me that you just don't want to give Fisher any credit (and you're certainly not alone). Fisher has been picked to lose the past 2 weeks - Each week they've come out and did exactly what everyone said they weren't going to be able to do.

Let's not forget that they play better vs. traditional offenses. Rowan won't be able to run the ball Saturday so they'll be focused on the air attack. With a very marginal running attack & a QB who has more INT's than TD's, it seems to me that the odds favor Fisher & people should be admitting to that.  

Tags, with Gordon Mann as my witness, I gave SJF a lot of credit all day on the broadcast.  On the PP boards, I've always said SJF thumped Union and wished them well.  I give them credit, but I also know that self-congratulatory behavior this long after the win, with a major playoff game looming in five days, is a recipe for disaster.  We'll all be lobbing kudos to SJF for their season when the season is in fact over (be it in victory in Salem or in defeat anywhere).  It's as if SJF fans, etc. are acting like everything from here on out is gravy.  Ya know what?  SJF can beat Rowan.  I wouldn't waste my time here if I didn't believe that.  A win Saturday should not be viewed as mere gravy -- it should be something the fans impress upon the program, to respect the beast but win big.  If SJF loses, then we can spin it as the greatest season ever.  Let's wait until SJF's second loss of the season for that sort of spin, though.

[Tlm]

Rowan will win or lose based on the play of their defense which is outstanding and capable of playing with anyone in the country.  

On the other hand, their offense is average at best.  Most Rowan fans hoped that the return from season-ending injuries last year of QB Mike Orihel and RB Ulysses Encarnacion would take them to the next level.  Unfortunately, Encarnacion was not able to return from a very bad injury and Orihel has not been the same without WR's Silva and Wright who both signed pro contracts at the end of last season.

On the other hand, Rowan is well coached and they never panic in tight games.  SJF can certainly beat them this year, but it will take their best effort.

[Frank Rossi]

Rowan will win or lose based on the play of their defense which is outstanding and capable of playing with anyone in the country.  

On the other hand, their offense is average at best.  Most Rowan fans hoped that the return from season-ending injuries last year of QB Mike Orihel and RB Ulysses Encarnacion would take them to the next level.  Unfortunately, Encarnacion was not able to return from a very bad injury and Orihel has not been the same without WR's Silva and Wright who both signed pro contracts at the end of last season.

On the other hand, Rowan is well coached and they never panic in tight games.  SJF can certainly beat them this year, but it will take their best effort.

As always, well said Tlm.

[Tags]

Frank-

I stated a few posts back that Rowan isn't to be taken lightly. I think you are lumping all Fisher posters in w/ some that are being overconfident.

I am a little discouraged that Fisher is being nit picked time & time again when all they've done so far this post season is go out and prove everyone completely wrong.

[Tags]

Although I havent seen Rowan in a few years, their team speed can often times neutralize the opponent. 

Rowan has an amazing back in Edwards that will have to be contained. However, Fisher seemed to squash Sharpe, so it may be able to do the same here.

No offense, but I wouldn't use the term amazing for a back averaging 55 yds / game.

[The Truth 00]

tags, get off your soapbox man. fisher posters need to take some criticism. frank has brought up some very valid points, the use of robinson being one of them. jesus christ, i'm certainly no union fan here but frank has backed up his arguments, given fisher credit where credit is due, and played devil's advocate. rowan is a true playoff tested program too, their speed is going to be NOTHING fisher has seen. his point about seeing springfield twice in a season is a LEGIT point to. don't you think they made a few small adjustments based off of the first game and studied sc's tendencies. and rowan's defense will be much better than sc's, although sc played better than i thought they would.

fisher posters need to lighten up in the LL house. don't knock someone for backing up their claims with legit points. cardinals10. frank just served you. ha!