FB: Liberty League

[frank uible]

Whatever happened to playing a game solely because it would be fun for the players to play in it?

[Regulator]

LD,

Reg gives them props for playing a game that the alumni and fans want to see...
After all, what do you get if you go 9-0 against crappy teams and get beat in the first round?  At least the way they are going to know right away how they are going to be.

Isn't that why we play and played D3....for the challenge and sport...right?

[lewdogg11]

LD,

Reg gives them props for playing a game that the alumni and fans want to see...
After all, what do you get if you go 9-0 against crappy teams and get beat in the first round?  At least the way they are going to know right away how they are going to be.

Isn't that why we play and played D3....for the challenge and sport...right?

Nah man, I am saying I would like to see a game like that, absolutely.  BUT, all the talk that Union has a better shot at the playoffs because they got smoked by Springfield doesn't hold up.  If Union goes 7-2 and BEATS a Springfield type team, they are looking much better. 

It's all relative.  We would all like to see RPI schedule tougher opponents.  Here was JU's quote:

'Union should be applauded for scheduling a tough non-conference game at any point during the season.  And it might help them in a certain situation.  If at the end of the year, Union is 8-2 with a loss to SC and a loss to RPI and SC is 10-0 or 9-1, Union might still get a bid.  Now if RPI goes 8-1 with a loss to Union team that wins the league at 7-2, then RPI might not make it with the poor nonleague game.'

I was saying I agree with this if it was a close game.  But it wasn't...

[Jonny Utah]

Well if Springfield goes 10-0 or 9-1 and Union goes 8-2 with one loss to an 9-0 or 8-1 RPI team, they would possibly get in over an 8-2 Ithaca or Alfred.  But that is probably the only scenerio where that might happen.  If RPI on the other hand loses an extra LL game and goes 8-2 or 7-2, they probably wouldnt get in becuase they wouldnt have lost to a top 10 team in the country.

It should help in recruiting I would think too (playing big games in front of a lot of fans)

[lewdogg11]

Well if Springfield goes 10-0 or 9-1 and Union goes 8-2 with one loss to an 9-0 or 8-1 RPI team, they would possibly get in over an 8-2 Ithaca or Alfred.  But that is probably the only scenerio where that might happen.  If RPI on the other hand loses an extra LL game and goes 8-2 or 7-2, they probably wouldnt get in becuase they wouldnt have lost to a top 10 team in the country.

It should help in recruiting I would think too (playing big games in front of a lot of fans)

That I agree with.  An I think they are more prone to lose LL games because they don't push themselves against these patty cake teams.  But on the outside looking in, we can bitch and moan all we want, atleast RPI did what they were expected to do.  It makes me ill when they play down to the level of their laughable competition.

[Jonny Utah]

Well if Springfield goes 10-0 or 9-1 and Union goes 8-2 with one loss to an 9-0 or 8-1 RPI team, they would possibly get in over an 8-2 Ithaca or Alfred.  But that is probably the only scenerio where that might happen.  If RPI on the other hand loses an extra LL game and goes 8-2 or 7-2, they probably wouldnt get in becuase they wouldnt have lost to a top 10 team in the country.

It should help in recruiting I would think too (playing big games in front of a lot of fans)

That I agree with.  An I think they are more prone to lose LL games because they don't push themselves against these patty cake teams.  But on the outside looking in, we can bitch and moan all we want, atleast RPI did what they were expected to do.  It makes me ill when they play down to the level of their laughable competition.

Thats the downside of playing that schedule as well.  A loss to St. Lawrence or MM basically knocks an RPI or Union out of playoff contention.  And although RPI, Hobart, and Union are easily the top 3 in their conference, St. Lawrence, MM, Rochester, Susquen and WPI are not automatic blowouts or (wins for that matter).  The LL does not have a Hartwick, Norwich or Utica, which are probably the three worst teams by far out of the two leagues, and should be blowouts for the top 4 E8 teams (Alfred, SJF, SC and IC)

[Pat Coleman]

Merchant Marine fits into that clump this season, I would think.

[Jonny Utah]

Merchant Marine fits into that clump this season, I would think.

Yea but they played LL teams tough last year and might be too early to tell right now.  Coast Guard is a top 20 team you know.

[Knightstalker]

Todays TOTD

['gro]

the Merchant Marines are definetly in the Utica, Hartwick, Norwich class.

WPI is blowing out lesser opponents and might be ready to sneak in a LL upset this year... they always play Union tough. Watch out for the bizarro engineers.

[Stlarry]

Anybody have any knowledge about Susquehanna U?  New team to the LL, don't know much about them other than they seem to have been a solid team in the past.

[mattvsmith]

It surprises Pep that Hobart didn't kneel down on that first down play. Not sure how many TOs Dickinson had remaining, but would think they'd need all three to save any time. Pep knows only what he read. Any Hobart fans know more? Rev.?

The Rev doesn't know squat.  LD11 has a good observation about Hobart being unable to close the deal. 
The Rev is still bent about losing to Dickenson.  Hobart really has no business losing that game.

[Reno Hightower]

Well if Springfield goes 10-0 or 9-1 and Union goes 8-2 with one loss to an 9-0 or 8-1 RPI team, they would possibly get in over an 8-2 Ithaca or Alfred.  But that is probably the only scenerio where that might happen.  If RPI on the other hand loses an extra LL game and goes 8-2 or 7-2, they probably wouldnt get in becuase they wouldnt have lost to a top 10 team in the country.

It should help in recruiting I would think too (playing big games in front of a lot of fans)

That I agree with.  An I think they are more prone to lose LL games because they don't push themselves against these patty cake teams.  But on the outside looking in, we can bitch and moan all we want, atleast RPI did what they were expected to do.  It makes me ill when they play down to the level of their laughable competition.

Thats the downside of playing that schedule as well.  A loss to St. Lawrence or MM basically knocks an RPI or Union out of playoff contention.  And although RPI, Hobart, and Union are easily the top 3 in their conference, St. Lawrence, MM, Rochester, Susquen and WPI are not automatic blowouts or (wins for that matter).  The LL does not have a Hartwick, Norwich or Utica, which are probably the three worst teams by far out of the two leagues, and should be blowouts for the top 4 E8 teams (Alfred, SJF, SC and IC)

Reno doesn't know how you can say "RPI is easily a top 3 in their conference"......they finished 5th last year, 3rd the year before that, and Reno believes 4th the year before that. 1 top 3 finish in the last 3 years does not make them an easy top-3 team.

[Jonny Utah]

Well if Springfield goes 10-0 or 9-1 and Union goes 8-2 with one loss to an 9-0 or 8-1 RPI team, they would possibly get in over an 8-2 Ithaca or Alfred.  But that is probably the only scenerio where that might happen.  If RPI on the other hand loses an extra LL game and goes 8-2 or 7-2, they probably wouldnt get in becuase they wouldnt have lost to a top 10 team in the country.

It should help in recruiting I would think too (playing big games in front of a lot of fans)

That I agree with.  An I think they are more prone to lose LL games because they don't push themselves against these patty cake teams.  But on the outside looking in, we can bitch and moan all we want, atleast RPI did what they were expected to do.  It makes me ill when they play down to the level of their laughable competition.

Thats the downside of playing that schedule as well.  A loss to St. Lawrence or MM basically knocks an RPI or Union out of playoff contention.  And although RPI, Hobart, and Union are easily the top 3 in their conference, St. Lawrence, MM, Rochester, Susquen and WPI are not automatic blowouts or (wins for that matter).  The LL does not have a Hartwick, Norwich or Utica, which are probably the three worst teams by far out of the two leagues, and should be blowouts for the top 4 E8 teams (Alfred, SJF, SC and IC)

Reno doesn't know how you can say "RPI is easily a top 3 in their conference"......they finished 5th last year, 3rd the year before that, and Reno believes 4th the year before that. 1 top 3 finish in the last 3 years does not make them an easy top-3 team.

Well Im gonna say they were probably better than SLU last year and Rochester is the only team in one year that beat them out of one of the top 3 spots.  But I shouldnt use the word easy for any of those LL teams with no easy wins within the league like I said before.

And only two LL teams beat MM by more than 2 Td's last year (SLU and WPI)
5 E8 teams beat Norwich by more than 4 Td's
4 E8 teams beat Hartwick by more than 4 Td's
4 E8 teams beat Utica by more than 4 Td's

(just trying to solidify my point that the bottom 3 in the E8 are not like the bottom 3 in the LL.)

[lewdogg11]

Well if Springfield goes 10-0 or 9-1 and Union goes 8-2 with one loss to an 9-0 or 8-1 RPI team, they would possibly get in over an 8-2 Ithaca or Alfred.  But that is probably the only scenerio where that might happen.  If RPI on the other hand loses an extra LL game and goes 8-2 or 7-2, they probably wouldnt get in becuase they wouldnt have lost to a top 10 team in the country.

It should help in recruiting I would think too (playing big games in front of a lot of fans)

That I agree with.  An I think they are more prone to lose LL games because they don't push themselves against these patty cake teams.  But on the outside looking in, we can bitch and moan all we want, atleast RPI did what they were expected to do.  It makes me ill when they play down to the level of their laughable competition.

Thats the downside of playing that schedule as well.  A loss to St. Lawrence or MM basically knocks an RPI or Union out of playoff contention.  And although RPI, Hobart, and Union are easily the top 3 in their conference, St. Lawrence, MM, Rochester, Susquen and WPI are not automatic blowouts or (wins for that matter).  The LL does not have a Hartwick, Norwich or Utica, which are probably the three worst teams by far out of the two leagues, and should be blowouts for the top 4 E8 teams (Alfred, SJF, SC and IC)

Reno doesn't know how you can say "RPI is easily a top 3 in their conference"......they finished 5th last year, 3rd the year before that, and Reno believes 4th the year before that. 1 top 3 finish in the last 3 years does not make them an easy top-3 team.

Dude stop being a clown.

2006 - RPI(7-3) finished 4th and smacked a highly touted Cortland in the ECACs while Rochester went and lost to Alfred.  Union and Hobart both loast their playoff games as well.

2005 - RPI(8-2) finished 3rd in the league and smacked down a highly touted St. John Fisher in the ECAC.

2004 - RPI(5-4) has a down year and still finishes 3rd in the LL.

2003 - I forget what happened that year.

To say RPI is not easily one of the top 3 programs in the LL is retarded.  Go eat some cheese dip****.