FB: Liberty League

[JT]

TDT-

#9 on your list goes into this crazy ramble about Charcoal grills
Charcoal Grills:  I can't emphasize this enough.  The difference between cooking with propane vs. charcoal is huge.  The flavors and smells mean football is in the air.  Be sure to have plenty of grill space and extra charcoal.  It is critical to be able to cook lots of food as fast as possible when the crowds get big.

Dude,
As much as Reg appreciates your love of old compressed wood, this isn't amature hour...Seriously, if Reg wanted to wait 45 minutes to get a grill ready and another 30 to grill a burger, which ironically is 4 car bombs and 6 miller lites in beer time, than he would much rather just crash someone elses party.  If you need to grill alot, quick, do yourself a favor and get a real, full sized grill there somehow.  Either that or pawn off the grilling on charcoal to the sober driver.

Charcoal chimneys cut grill prep time significantly.  Put newspaper on the bottom, fill with charcoal, cap the chimney and light paper.  

[union89]

Is it shoes week yet?

Merlot is red
Cheesch is bleu
Schenectady is the site
Where RPI stomps da U

Gro....slow day at work??

['gro]

Is it shoes week yet?

Merlot is red
Cheesch is bleu
Schenectady is the site
Where RPI stomps da U

Gro....slow day at work??

Very slow... gro might have to channel his next smack talk into haiku form.

[dewcrew88]

Is it shoes week yet?

Merlot is red
Cheesch is bleu
Schenectady is the site
Where RPI stomps da U

Gro....slow day at work??

Very slow... gro might have to channel his next smack talk into haiku form.

Da Shoes, aught seven
R.P.I. and Union clash
Who comes out on top?


Not trash talk, but what the hell? 5,7,5 is how I roll, biz natch!

[finsleft]

Not haiku again!
It really makes my head spin.
That's how I roll, not!

[Frank Rossi]

HUGE news on the Front Page re: the E8 in danger of losing its auto-bid in 4 years.  Sure, that's a long way off, but the repercussions could be felt as far as the NJAC and the LL -- the E8 needs to replace the void that will be left by Norwich jumping ship.  Could a play be made to get Cortland, Buffalo State, Brockport State, Susquehanna (requires E8 name change), WPI (same) or USMMA to join the E8?  I think there's a good chance that at least one of those could happen by 2009 just based on the fluid nature of such situations.  Stay tuned.

[John McGraw]

HUGE news on the Front Page re: the E8 in danger of losing its auto-bid in 4 years.  Sure, that's a long way off, but the repercussions could be felt as far as the NJAC and the LL -- the E8 needs to replace the void that will be left by Norwich jumping ship.  Could a play be made to get Cortland, Buffalo State, Brockport State, Susquehanna (requires E8 name change), WPI (same) or USMMA to join the E8?  I think there's a good chance that at least one of those could happen by 2009 just based on the fluid nature of such situations.  Stay tuned.

I'm pretty sure it won't be Cortland, Buffalo State or Brockport. Part of that whole "like-minded" institutions rhetoric. Ithaca is the only team that's played all three schools on a consistent basis. Fisher can just about be lumped into that category with games against Buff State and Brockport. It was said on the Empire 8 board that Alfred doesn't play public schools, even though the head coach, Dave Murray, is the former head coach at Cortland. Hartwick and Utica don't play the public schools either, though Utica did play Cortland during a two-year stretch before the series was ended.

Over the last year or so, there've been rumors that either Lycoming or Kings would be coming into the Empire 8. Geographically, Lyco would be the best bet with Williamsport not far from Alfred or Ithaca. But, that really disables the MAC. I don't see any Liberty teams potentially moving.

Obviously the best thing, suggested by multiple people over the years and by RT this past Saturday, form a super-conference between the E8 and the LL. Of course this would never happen, but it'd solve a lot of scheduling issues.

[Frank Rossi]

HUGE news on the Front Page re: the E8 in danger of losing its auto-bid in 4 years.  Sure, that's a long way off, but the repercussions could be felt as far as the NJAC and the LL -- the E8 needs to replace the void that will be left by Norwich jumping ship.  Could a play be made to get Cortland, Buffalo State, Brockport State, Susquehanna (requires E8 name change), WPI (same) or USMMA to join the E8?  I think there's a good chance that at least one of those could happen by 2009 just based on the fluid nature of such situations.  Stay tuned.

I'm pretty sure it won't be Cortland, Buffalo State or Brockport. Part of that whole "like-minded" institutions rhetoric.

With the fluidity, I think the "like-minded" institution rhetoric actually diminishes.  Playoff slots make strange bedfellows.

[JQV]

Most of the options have been discussed on the E8 Board.

I think there is already a replacement lined up and that replacement will not come from New York.

(P.S. The Conference already had two non-New York members so the E8 moniker was outdated for football for about three years now and is now outdated for everything with Stevens joining).

[Rolevio]

(P.S. The Conference already had two non-New York members so the E8 moniker was outdated for football for about three years now and is now outdated for everything with Stevens joining).

Frank, Rolevio is surprised you didn't pick up on this as Union just played Springfield last week.

[Senor RedTackle]

HUGE news on the Front Page re: the E8 in danger of losing its auto-bid in 4 years.  Sure, that's a long way off, but the repercussions could be felt as far as the NJAC and the LL -- the E8 needs to replace the void that will be left by Norwich jumping ship.  Could a play be made to get Cortland, Buffalo State, Brockport State, Susquehanna (requires E8 name change), WPI (same) or USMMA to join the E8?  I think there's a good chance that at least one of those could happen by 2009 just based on the fluid nature of such situations.  Stay tuned.

I'm pretty sure it won't be Cortland, Buffalo State or Brockport. Part of that whole "like-minded" institutions rhetoric. Ithaca is the only team that's played all three schools on a consistent basis. Fisher can just about be lumped into that category with games against Buff State and Brockport. It was said on the Empire 8 board that Alfred doesn't play public schools, even though the head coach, Dave Murray, is the former head coach at Cortland. Hartwick and Utica don't play the public schools either, though Utica did play Cortland during a two-year stretch before the series was ended.

Over the last year or so, there've been rumors that either Lycoming or Kings would be coming into the Empire 8. Geographically, Lyco would be the best bet with Williamsport not far from Alfred or Ithaca. But, that really disables the MAC. I don't see any Liberty teams potentially moving.

Obviously the best thing, suggested by multiple people over the years and by RT this past Saturday, form a super-conference between the E8 and the LL. Of course this would never happen, but it'd solve a lot of scheduling issues.

Forget the "like-minded insitutions" rhetoric....let's get real and do something for the football fans of the state and make a super NY conference, like the SEC does...East and West. I don't give a flying shizz if RPI is in the same conf. as Cortland or Brockport....we're not going for the same student anyway and do you think 99.99% of the Pakistani's or Chinamen that go to RPI (the ones that walk past the football game on Sat, stare quizically, then head to the library) would even care (much less know) about the other teams in our conference? Let the NESCAC worry about that snobbiness.  For example, in the SEC, do you think Arkansas or Miss St. is of the same calber school as Vanderbilt?

RT's proposed "NYSAC"..NYS Athletic Conference

West                                                                     East
Alfred                                                                         RPI
Brockport St                                                               Union
St.John Fisher                                                            Harwick
Rochester                                                                  St.Lawrence
Buffalo St.                                                                  Utica
Cortland St.                                                               Ithaca
                                                                                  Kings Point

Is RT missing anyone? Then you follow a format like the SEC and do crossover games but keep traditional rivalries every year (Corica Jug, Shooz game, et) It was tough but to balance, RT split up Cortland and Ithaca. The west looks a bit loaded on paper so another reason RT put IC in the east

[John McGraw]

Pumpkinheads

[Frank Rossi]

HUGE news on the Front Page re: the E8 in danger of losing its auto-bid in 4 years.  Sure, that's a long way off, but the repercussions could be felt as far as the NJAC and the LL -- the E8 needs to replace the void that will be left by Norwich jumping ship.  Could a play be made to get Cortland, Buffalo State, Brockport State, Susquehanna (requires E8 name change), WPI (same) or USMMA to join the E8?  I think there's a good chance that at least one of those could happen by 2009 just based on the fluid nature of such situations.  Stay tuned.

I'm pretty sure it won't be Cortland, Buffalo State or Brockport. Part of that whole "like-minded" institutions rhetoric. Ithaca is the only team that's played all three schools on a consistent basis. Fisher can just about be lumped into that category with games against Buff State and Brockport. It was said on the Empire 8 board that Alfred doesn't play public schools, even though the head coach, Dave Murray, is the former head coach at Cortland. Hartwick and Utica don't play the public schools either, though Utica did play Cortland during a two-year stretch before the series was ended.

Over the last year or so, there've been rumors that either Lycoming or Kings would be coming into the Empire 8. Geographically, Lyco would be the best bet with Williamsport not far from Alfred or Ithaca. But, that really disables the MAC. I don't see any Liberty teams potentially moving.

Obviously the best thing, suggested by multiple people over the years and by RT this past Saturday, form a super-conference between the E8 and the LL. Of course this would never happen, but it'd solve a lot of scheduling issues.

Forget the "like-minded insitutions" rhetoric....let's get real and do something for the football fans of the state and make a super NY conference, like the SEC does...East and West. I don't give a flying shizz if RPI is in the same conf. as Cortland or Brockport....we're not going for the same student anyway and do you think 99.99% of the Pakistani's or Chinamen that go to RPI (the ones that walk past the football game on Sat, stare quizically, then head to the library) would even care (much less know) about the other teams in our conference? Let the NESCAC worry about that snobbiness.  For example, in the SEC, do you think Arkansas or Miss St. is of the same calber school as Vanderbilt?

RT's proposed "NYSAC"..NYS Athletic Conference

West                                                                     East
Alfred                                                                         RPI
Brockport St                                                               Union
St.John Fisher                                                            Harwick
Rochester                                                                  St.Lawrence
Buffalo St.                                                                  Utica
Cortland St.                                                               Ithaca
                                                                                  Kings Point

Is RT missing anyone? Then you follow a format like the SEC and do crossover games but keep traditional rivalries every year (Corica Jug, Shooz game, et) It was tough but to balance, RT split up Cortland and Ithaca. The west looks a bit loaded on paper so another reason RT put IC in the east

However, what do you gain from this?  If 14 teams can sustain two separate conferences, then they're guaranteed two Pool A slots and access to Pool C.  Under your plan, you have one Pool A and only access to Pool C.  The other idea we had discussed on the WABY broadcast was more practical:  maintain the separate conferences, but come up with an NFL-type interconference scheduling agreement by which the top E8 team plays the top LL team to open the season, etc. (based on prior year records).  This would allow the teams to maintain some semblence of a fair out-of-conference schedule, retain several playoff slots and avoid the like-minded BS.  I don't like the "Superconference" idea at all.

['gro]

Re: NY Conference


_{No sir, I don't like it.}

Frank pretty much covers it. Why consolidate 14 or so teams into 1 guaranteed playoff bid?  And when a conference gets too ginormous, there's little room for schedule flexibility. Plus there are the other sponsored sports besides football that would have to be considered. All in all. I likes me some Liberty League.

p.s. At least you didn't say nappy headed chinamen.

[Jonny Utah]

I think as a whole the superconference is the absolute best thing that could happen to upstate football.    Im sure the NCAA would be willing to compromise and give 2 pool A bids somehow to 15 teams.  Id also ask Springfield if they wanted to join.  They have a stong football tradition that should be welcomed in this proposed best conference in the history of conferences.