FB: Liberty League

[Jonny Utah]

I think the NCAA would change the rules on that one though.  Considering all the teams (I think) are already in leagues that have bids.

I don't think you have a lot of experience in how NCAA member schools make their decisions.

No I hear ya.  But I think the NCAA is not being totally fair when it comes to this AQ/pool bids for playoffs.  Heres a school like Buff St or Corltand having to spend thousands of dollars a year more on travel because they need to join a conference for a pool A bid.  The superconference is almost as much about equity than it is about good football.

Let's take a quick look at the ACC since unification.  You can't just throw together a bunch of teams with some semblence of power and hope for the best.  The ACC has been an utter disappointment because concepts that look good on paper don't necessarily play out right.  The ACC had maybe 4 quality programs when it combined (Va. Tech, Miami, FSU and Clemson (maybe))...but once one or two went south, the dead weight such a superconference created has been hideous.  That would likely be the same fate for the NY superconference.  I like loose affiliations, but I don't like complete combinations. 

Yea but the "unification" of the ACC is a little different since the schools are so far apart.  A BC/Maryland or NCState/Miami rivalry probably is never going to rise up, but a Ithaca/Union or Cortland/Hobart just might. 

However, Union would play Ithaca only once every three years in such a schedule (assuming 10-game schedule, retaining at least the RPI and Hobart games annually, two other games from the current LL, 2 non-conference games).  Otherwise, the schedules would become un-fluid, and would then cause the question, "Why did we bother with unification?"

Im not sold on the SEC format though.  And you might have to give up the Hobart/Union game every year and just keep the shooz game. 

[Frank Rossi]

Im not sold on the SEC format though.  And you might have to give up the Hobart/Union game every year and just keep the shooz game. 

There'd have to be some sort of SEC-like Round-Robin format - and without the Hobart/Union game, you get a big fat "no deal" from the start.  Pure and simple.

[superman57]

clearly this is a long shot... but the games that would absoultly stay would be Union/RPI, Ithaca/Cortland, Fisher/UofR and I will throw in the budding rivalry of AlfBart... Frank I doubt that... a Hobart Union game every other year or every 2 years would build up a lot of intesnity

[Tags]

Im not sold on the SEC format though.  And you might have to give up the Hobart/Union game every year and just keep the shooz game. 

There'd have to be some sort of SEC-like Round-Robin format - and without the Hobart/Union game, you get a big fat "no deal" from the start.  Pure and simple.

Why would you say that? You believe that the Hobart / Union game would be the dealbreaker in such a large initiative? Doubtful.

[Frank Rossi]

clearly this is a long shot... but the games that would absoultly stay would be Union/RPI, Ithaca/Cortland, Fisher/UofR and I will throw in the budding rivalry of AlfBart... Frank I doubt that... a Hobart Union game every other year or every 2 years would build up a lot of intesnity

Schools have to vote on these things.  There's no way Union would vote yes and RPI would vote yes without their Hobart rivalries intact.

[superman57]

see frank I would see the posbilitie of adding a yearly game vs. Ithaca would be pretty tasty...and I think you would have to change the conference around a little too...did we forget to add the larries

[Jonny Utah]

Im not sold on the SEC format though.  And you might have to give up the Hobart/Union game every year and just keep the shooz game. 

There'd have to be some sort of SEC-like Round-Robin format - and without the Hobart/Union game, you get a big fat "no deal" from the start.  Pure and simple.

I think the SEC deal is still a home and home series and then only two years off inbetween games.  And if Hobart/Union got 10,000 fans or something I could see keeping it, but it looks like they havent had more than 3,000 over the last 5 years.

[Frank Rossi]

see frank I would see the posbilitie of adding a yearly game vs. Ithaca would be pretty tasty...and I think you would have to change the conference around a little too...did we forget to add the larries

You're giving my idea more life by the way you're trying to kill off conference rivalries.  All you gotta do is force through agreement at least one E8 game a season for each team.  Pure and simple.  And in doing so, you can make it based on the prior year's finishing positions for the teams.  If uneven numbers of teams exist, then the excess teams can play 9 games or the leagues can hatch a contract with another conference's team to allow the excess team(s) to play that team in such a year.

[superman57]

frank in real life... I really like the idea of a yearly E8 vs. LL deal...but now we are talking in fantasy about the super league

[Tags]

Tags would like to thank whoever it was that suggested a nest was built up in the hose on his grill (too lazy to look back).

Cleaned 'er out finally after only a month of bitching about it not working.

Had myself a nice little weekend with some grilled food & NFL football thanks to that...

[John McGraw]

Ithaca and Hobart used to play each other yearly. In fact, 2003 was the last time the two teams met during the regular season.

With the Liberty League's expansion from five to eight (adding of Merchant Marine, Worcester Polytech and Coast Guard),and the Empire 8's expansion the series was ended. Hobart played just two non-conference games in 2004 against Dickinson (long-running series) and Franklin and Marshall.

Springfield and Norwich joined the Empire 8 in 2004. Ithaca played 10 games that year with non-conference games against Buffalo State, Cortland and Lycoming.

It's a shame Hobart and Ithaca stopped playing. It was a nice regional rivalry between two traditionally good programs from difference conferences.

[Knightstalker]

KS proposed a super conference made up of NJAC and ACFC teams.  It was pointed out that OOC games could be difficult to schedule especially if you had a conference championship game.  KS thinks the only way a super conference could exist is if they some how were able to create two conferences under one corporate identity like the MAC does for basketball.

[mattvsmith]

RT told him to look out for Jonnie Mac's crazy knowledge of every D3 team's nickname in the country. Seriously dude...you know way too much

Doth Jonnie Mac wax eloquent about how Hobart came to become the Statesmen?  The Rev would like to know.

[Tags]

KS proposed a super conference made up of NJAC and ACFC teams.  It was pointed out that OOC games could be difficult to schedule especially if you had a conference championship game.  KS thinks the only way a super conference could exist is if they some how were able to create two conferences under one corporate identity like the MAC does for basketball.

Or like the SEC has their conference laid out.

[labart96]

It's a shame Hobart and Ithaca stopped playing. It was a nice regional rivalry between two traditionally good programs from difference conferences.

Amen.  Not even 45-50 minutes down the lake.  This series should be annual.