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[JQV]

The real story is the Yankees, thanks to the tax, carry teams like KC, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, etc. that would not be able to afford to pay anything close to professional salaries were it not for Yankee revenue. 

Lyco, this is one of the great myths of baseball.  The luxury tax isn't large enough to cover any real portion of a Major League roster's collective salary.  The only profit-sharing in MLB that really makes any difference on a team's balance sheet is the TV contracts.  Incidentally, the Yankees don't contribute much to this pool because YES has a relatively cheap deal with the Yankees.  (imagine that).

This is not to make an excuse for the teams at the bottom of your list.  The Devil Rays are amongst the most profitable teams in MLB every year.  No one makes money with ticket sales.  Money is made on television in pro sports.  The Rays don't pay anyone because the owners are lining their pockets.  (This, ironically, is nothing new in Tampa where Hugh Culverhouse made the Bucs the most profitable NFL franchise forever while rining up 4-12 seasons).

Id love to know how much the Yankees and Redsox (they own the station that carries them anyway) make off of TV revenue.  Sox sold out every single game this year too with the most expensive seats in the league (only 35,000 a game though still)

Bottom line, the yanks choked with one of the best lineups in the history of baseball.....

Techincally, the Yankees make very little money from TV revenue.  (I really don't know about the Sox relationship with NESN but, if they own NESN, I would guess it is the same).  Steinbrenner, or more accurately, his holding company, makes money through YES that he then plows back into the team.  The only revenue the Yankees get directly from YES is there meager TV contract (which, if I remember, is about 1/3 or 1/4 of the offer they got from MSG when it came time to renew.)

[dewcrew88]

The real story is the Yankees, thanks to the tax, carry teams like KC, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, etc. that would not be able to afford to pay anything close to professional salaries were it not for Yankee revenue. 

Lyco, this is one of the great myths of baseball.  The luxury tax isn't large enough to cover any real portion of a Major League roster's collective salary.  The only profit-sharing in MLB that really makes any difference on a team's balance sheet is the TV contracts.  Incidentally, the Yankees don't contribute much to this pool because YES has a relatively cheap deal with the Yankees.  (imagine that).

This is not to make an excuse for the teams at the bottom of your list.  The Devil Rays are amongst the most profitable teams in MLB every year.  No one makes money with ticket sales.  Money is made on television in pro sports.  The Rays don't pay anyone because the owners are lining their pockets.  (This, ironically, is nothing new in Tampa where Hugh Culverhouse made the Bucs the most profitable NFL franchise forever while rining up 4-12 seasons).

Id love to know how much the Yankees and Redsox (they own the station that carries them anyway) make off of TV revenue.  Sox sold out every single game this year too with the most expensive seats in the league (only 35,000 a game though still)

Bottom line, the yanks choked with one of the best lineups in the history of baseball.....

Techincally, the Yankees make very little money from TV revenue.  (I really don't know about the Sox relationship with NESN but, if they own NESN, I would guess it is the same).  Steinbrenner, or more accurately, his holding company, makes money through YES that he then plows back into the team.  The only revenue the Yankees get directly from YES is there meager TV contract (which, if I remember, is about 1/3 or 1/4 of the offer they got from MSG when it came time to renew.)

Jose,
My powers of deduction from both the E8 board and the LL one tell me... are you one of Georgie's lawyers (aka right hand men)?

[JQV]

Jose,
My powers of deduction from both the E8 board and the LL one tell me... are you one of Georgie's lawyers (aka right hand men)?

Nope.  Sorry if I gave that impression.

Big Stein lives in my neighborhood and I see him around town a lot (apparently, in his new "mental state" he has become fond of a particular IHOP).  Also, he and I have a lot of mutual friends so I hear a lot of rumors.

I worked in a Major League Baseball front office, in the AL East no less, for 7 years and still have a lot of contacts in baseball that funnel me information.  In fact, one of my former co-workers is now an executive with the Yankees.

[superman57]

Jose,
My powers of deduction from both the E8 board and the LL one tell me... are you one of Georgie's lawyers (aka right hand men)?

Nope.  Sorry if I gave that impression.

Big Stein lives in my neighborhood and I see him around town a lot (apparently, in his new "mental state" he has become fond of a particular IHOP).  Also, he and I have a lot of mutual friends so I hear a lot of rumors.

I worked in a Major League Baseball front office, in the AL East no less, for 7 years and still have a lot of contacts in baseball that funnel me information.  In fact, one of my former co-workers is now an executive with the Yankees.

maybe Jose is in fact George's illegitamet son...that no one knows about except Jose so he stalks Georgie...  (just kidding Jose...)

[JQV]

God I hope not.  That is not going to be a good family to be a member of in the next two or three years.  I think it is going to get very ugly.

[labart96]

Coming soon to a theater near you:

THE BREAK UP

[PBR...]

$200 million just doesnt buy what it used to....

PBR,

For the record, here are the salaries for MLB as listed by the AP at the beginning of the season.

No.   Team   Payroll
1.   New York Yankees   $ 189,639,045
2.   Boston Red Sox    $ 143,026,214
3.    New York Mets    $ 115,231,663
4.   Los Angeles Angels    $ 109,251,333
5.   Chicago White Sox    $ 108,671,833
6.   Los Angeles Dodgers    $ 108,454,524
7.   Seattle Mariners    $ 106,460,833
8.   Chicago Cubs    $ 99,670,332
9.   Detroit Tigers    $ 95,180,369
10.   Baltimore Orioles    $ 93,554,808
11.   St. Louis Cardinals    $ 90,286,823
12.   San Francisco Giants    $ 90,219,056
13.   Philadelphia Phillies    $ 89,428,213
14.   Houston Astros    $ 87,759,000
15.   Atlanta Braves    $ 87,290,833
16.   Toronto Blue Jays    $ 81,942,800
17.   Oakland Athletics    $ 79,366,940
18.   Minnesota Twins    $ 71,439,500
19.   Milwaukee Brewers    $ 70,986,500
20.   Cincinnati Reds    $ 68,904,980
21.   Texas Rangers    $ 68,318,675
22.   Kansas City Royals    $ 67,116,500
23.   Cleveland Indians    $ 61,673,267
24.   San Diego Padres    $ 58,110,567
25.   Colorado Rockies    $ 54,424,000
26.   Arizona Diamondbacks    $ 52,067,546
27.   Pittsburgh Pirates    $ 38,537,833
28.   Washington Nationals    $ 37,347,500
29.   Florida Marlins    $ 30,507,000
30.   Tampa Bay Devil Rays    $ 24,123,500

The real story is the Yankees, thanks to the tax, carry teams like KC, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, etc. that would not be able to afford to pay anything close to professional salaries were it not for Yankee revenue. 

Other teams also contribute to this largess but not like the Yankees since they are a money making machine.

When I shopped for an engagement ring I got the biggest and best one I could afford for Mrs. Lyco and did not look for a piece of cut glass.

The Yankees were beat by a team playing above their head - 12 for 24 in 2 out situations with runners in scoring position is .500, not a bad average for anyone.

The other dramatic tale of this season is how other teams were simply swept in their series only further underscoring that getting hot at the right time is what the post-season is all about.

And, if you examine the salaries closely you will see the successful teams all paid about the same amount for their talent - meaning they got a better return on their capital expenditure than the Yankees did, not to mention the meltdown of the Mets.

As for Lycoming's football season, call me in August 2008 - I need a ten month sleeping pill.

ATB

in all honesty....they should fold those 2 franchises in florida and have a draft for their major/minor league players...its embarrassing how little support they get. its time to bite the bullet and dilute the product less and fold those 2

[dewcrew88]

Jose,
My powers of deduction from both the E8 board and the LL one tell me... are you one of Georgie's lawyers (aka right hand men)?

Nope.  Sorry if I gave that impression.

Big Stein lives in my neighborhood and I see him around town a lot (apparently, in his new "mental state" he has become fond of a particular IHOP).  Also, he and I have a lot of mutual friends so I hear a lot of rumors.

I worked in a Major League Baseball front office, in the AL East no less, for 7 years and still have a lot of contacts in baseball that funnel me information.  In fact, one of my former co-workers is now an executive with the Yankees.

Jose... I didn't mean it in a serious nature, I meant it as a 'hey, it sounds like Q is close to Steinbrenner.. and I remembered that he's a lawyer, hmm..' and then the dim bulb brightened, as they say.

[Garnet]

VMW VMware climbs to session highs in recent trade as shares eye the 100.00 level (99.38 +4.29)

What would RT do now?

[PBR...]

latest cable update...comcast comes out of nowhere to almost match verizons pricing and throws in free dvr for the year as well as hbo!! giddy up...now we are talkin this is gettin  good  ...also forgot they threw in the movie tier as well

[Frank Rossi]

in Gro's $FF league gro had the dallas D vs. Marshawn Lynch... gro ended up winning by 3 points. go doids!

That game was crazy, how many times can you get kicked in the nuts (ints, kick return TD, and tipped passes caught for TD's all count as nut shots) and still win?

No more calling TO's to ice the kicker... but the stadium will be allowed to play ice ice baby.

That rule will be changed in both the Pros and College after this season.  My guess is that the coach will not be allowed to call timeouts in the last 2 minutes of any half or in overtime.

[Regulator]

in Gro's $FF league gro had the dallas D vs. Marshawn Lynch... gro ended up winning by 3 points. go doids!

That game was crazy, how many times can you get kicked in the nuts (ints, kick return TD, and tipped passes caught for TD's all count as nut shots) and still win?

No more calling TO's to ice the kicker... but the stadium will be allowed to play ice ice baby.

That rule will be changed in both the Pros and College after this season.  My guess is that the coach will not be allowed to call timeouts in the last 2 minutes of any half or in overtime.

A few jerks ruining the good of the game for everyone else.  Reg sees the same thing happening with defensive players standing next to the ref.  Reg proposes that the commissioner get on the horn and tell them to "cut the ISH!"
What they do will be mocked by all levels of play, right down to pop-warner.

Lead by example is the phrase I wish we could use here.

['gro]

They need to have a 'ref halo' too, how many times do you see refs huddling discussing calls and some player want to join in and offer his side of the story.

Make it a 5 yard delay of game penalty and Ed Hoculi gets to punch you in the stomach.

[fan of d3]

I disagree, its strategy.  If you are smart enough to keep your time outs, you get to use them whenever you please.  Why should the opposing team make it easier for the kicker to make the kick?  If its snowing, should the other team wait till it dies down for the kicker to kick?  Its part of the game.

You play to win the game!!

[union89]

latest cable update...comcast comes out of nowhere to almost match verizons pricing and throws in free dvr for the year as well as hbo!! giddy up...now we are talkin this is gettin  good  ...also forgot they threw in the movie tier as well

Keep the updates coming PBR