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[Senor RedTackle]

Upstate is right. RPI dropped on some people's ballots, no doubt because they struggled with WPI.

You picked a bad time to almost get upset by a .500 team. Good thing RPI has that last-second September home win against Hobart -- it's the only team they've faced to date with a winning record.

b-BLAM!  Was this the front or back side of your hand with which you have verbally bitchslapped RT, Guru?

RT, you can't complain about RPI's rank (#20 w/146 pts).  Look where Hobart and Union were ranked in prior years at this time.

Week 9 ranks:
YEAR      Union        points        Hobart    points
2006         20          183          14        276
2005         n/a          n/a          24         84
2004         n/a          n/a          n/a        24
2003         n/a          n/a          n/a       n/a        RPI ranked #25 with 81 points.

Note: by the end of the 2004 season in which Hobart went undefeated in the LL, and had only one regular season loss to F&M, Hobart was ranked #24.  So in week 9 you're bent about RPI being ranked 20th with an SoS we established is like a padded bra?  C'mon, RT, you know better than that!

RT wouldn't call that a bitch slap by the Guru by any stretch. Besides, RT wouldn't care if it was...it's a football board first, right? Also, RT would rather be 7-0 in November, with a couple of close wins but in control of their own destiny for post season rather than being Union, Hobart, Alfred or Fisher. The reality of it is that the D3 poll, in RT's opinion, doesn't really mean anything in terms of NCAA selection criteria or seeding. If this is not true, someone please point out otherwise.

Frank (and all others)...take your SOS and stuff it. You all know you wish you were sitting where RPI is right now....

[Senor RedTackle]

Can someone explain to RT how Alfred is ranked ahead of RPI in the D3.com top 25 poll when RPI is undefeated and AU's only loss is to a team RPI beat (Hobart)?? The upstate NY poll for this week seems to think RPI should be ranked higher.

RT truly believes that the d3football.com poll rarely gives RPI the respect they. It's been that way for several years as far as RT can remember. That's ok, we like being under the radar.....

(waiting for Frank's analysis here....critical of RT's question)

They respect they what? Deserve?

I had them in the high 20s pointed toward the low teens before they needed to pull one out of their backside against WPI.

They also haven't played a very difficult schedule, as has been noted somewhere once or twice.

But yeah, the Hobart scores seem to be a fairly obvious reason to move them ahead of Alfred.

Keith, do you have any other insight on RPI besides what you saw on the scoreboard as a 2OT win against WPI? Did you listen to the game? The team had some struggles getting into the end zone but moved the ball up and down the field and the defense came up big when it had to. I called the WPI/Hobart game....Hobart laid into them early but WPI made it a game in the 2nd half.  It seems the vogue thing to do is question RPI for their "schedule". Ok...so they played some weaker opponents but anyone in the top half of the LL can beat each other on any given day...(UR, Union, RPI, WPI, Hobart).

Am I imagining things or did Union escape w/ their lives against Kings Point 2 years ago?...the same year they went to the NCAAs? 

Again...see my other post. All that matters is getting into the NCAAs, not the d3 poll...although RT thinks every poll in division 3 is entirely subjective b/c the voters don't see 95% of the teams play and it's always slanted to the usual suspects (and deservedly so) where a handful of "floaters" fight for top 20 spots each year.....I'm not saying the D1 polls are not subjective but there seems to be a more general consensus because of the national coverage of these teams and the conference exposure

I respect the "wisdom" of the powers that be but it would add some credibility to the points if you saw these teams play more.

[JQV]

Keith, do you have any other insight on RPI besides what you saw on the scoreboard as a 2OT win against WPI? Did you listen to the game? The team had some struggles getting into the end zone but moved the ball up and down the field and the defense came up big when it had to. I called the WPI/Hobart game....Hobart laid into them early but WPI made it a game in the 2nd half.  It seems the vogue thing to do is question RPI for their "schedule". Ok...so they played some weaker opponents but anyone in the top half of the LL can beat each other on any given day...(UR, Union, RPI, WPI, Hobart).

Am I imagining things or did Union escape w/ their lives against Kings Point 2 years ago?...the same year they went to the NCAAs? 

Again...see my other post. All that matters is getting into the NCAAs, not the d3 poll...although RT thinks every poll in division 3 is entirely subjective b/c the voters don't see 95% of the teams play and it's always slanted to the usual suspects (and deservedly so) where a handful of "floaters" fight for top 20 spots each year.....I'm not saying the D1 polls are subjective but there seems to be a more general consensus because of the national coverage of these teams and the conference exposure

I respect the "wisdom" of the powers that be but it would add some credibility to your points if you saw these teams play more. I have no idea about Ohio or VA football so I take your word for it. Just don't insult my team please because you look at a scoreboard...

I think d3 and d1 polls have the same problem.  Voters don't watch as many d1 games as you think they do.  And, even if they do, everyone always has a complaint:

-Pac 10: We aren't ranked high enough because the media has an East Coast bias and does not stay up to watch our games.

-SEC: We aren't ranked high enough because we play the most difficult schedule in the country and beat each other up while the other conferences skate by on cupcakes.

Mountain West: Everyone is biased towards the BCS conferences while our champ beat OU last year. 

Big East: Has basketball season started yet?

Either way, regardless of schedule, we all would like to be where RPI is right now.  Being in control of your own destiny, regardless of how they got there, is worth it.

[Reno Hightower]

Wait all that matters is getting into the playoffs? I thought all that mattered was winning the shoes?

[Senor RedTackle]

Either way, regardless of schedule, we all would like to be where RPI is right now.  Being in control of your own destiny, regardless of how they got there, is worth it.

THANK YOU JOSE!!

This is the point RT was trying to make. All that SOS stuff and other numbers Frank and others throw out there is just crap to RT. The bottom line is, win your conference and you're in, otherwise, pray for a Pool C. All these SOS numbers and other stats are just noise to RT that people throw out there to compensate for their team not being in control of its own destiny. Seriously, someone give me a good reason for RT to look at those "stats" as meaningful? Right now, RT's team is 7-0, first in Upstate rankings, and on a definite path to the NCAAs if they win out. If they drop one, then it becomes a little more involved.  Is this where SOS matters?..if so, then RT will care but RT is not the type who likes to have others control his fate. The net is that "we win, we're in".

Should the men of Troy feel any less about their accomplishments if they were to go 9-0 and make it to the dance but didn't play a rediculaz schedule?? Isn't that what happened in 2003?....same "soft schedule" and ironically, RPI got waxed by Hobart in the last game in 2003 and made it to the final 4.  Enough said.....go cry yourselves to sleep on your meaningless statistic pillows as RPI is competing for the NCAAs.

[superman57]

Keith, do you have any other insight on RPI besides what you saw on the scoreboard as a 2OT win against WPI? Did you listen to the game? The team had some struggles getting into the end zone but moved the ball up and down the field and the defense came up big when it had to. I called the WPI/Hobart game....Hobart laid into them early but WPI made it a game in the 2nd half.  It seems the vogue thing to do is question RPI for their "schedule". Ok...so they played some weaker opponents but anyone in the top half of the LL can beat each other on any given day...(UR, Union, RPI, WPI, Hobart).

Am I imagining things or did Union escape w/ their lives against Kings Point 2 years ago?...the same year they went to the NCAAs? 

Again...see my other post. All that matters is getting into the NCAAs, not the d3 poll...although RT thinks every poll in division 3 is entirely subjective b/c the voters don't see 95% of the teams play and it's always slanted to the usual suspects (and deservedly so) where a handful of "floaters" fight for top 20 spots each year.....I'm not saying the D1 polls are subjective but there seems to be a more general consensus because of the national coverage of these teams and the conference exposure

I respect the "wisdom" of the powers that be but it would add some credibility to your points if you saw these teams play more. I have no idea about Ohio or VA football so I take your word for it. Just don't insult my team please because you look at a scoreboard...

I think d3 and d1 polls have the same problem.  Voters don't watch as many d1 games as you think they do.  And, even if they do, everyone always has a complaint:

-Pac 10: We aren't ranked high enough because the media has an East Coast bias and does not stay up to watch our games.

-SEC: We aren't ranked high enough because we play the most difficult schedule in the country and beat each other up while the other conferences skate by on cupcakes.

Mountain West: Everyone is biased towards the BCS conferences while our champ beat OU last year. 

Big East: Has basketball season started yet?

Either way, regardless of schedule, we all would like to be where RPI is right now.  Being in control of your own destiny, regardless of how they got there, is worth it.

Jose, Boise State is in fact a member of the WAC, not the Moutain West...getchya facts straight boy...just kidding, good points made

[redswarm81]

Can someone explain to RT how Alfred is ranked ahead of RPI in the D3.com top 25 poll when RPI is undefeated and AU's only loss is to a team RPI beat (Hobart)??

But yeah, the Hobart scores seem to be a fairly obvious reason to move them ahead of Alfred.

"Fairly obvious?"  "Reason?"

That's, like, logic.  Reason.  Rational thought.  Where's the "that's the way I feel?"

Keith, you have so much to learn.  I commend you to the Erratic8 board, for a lesson in how to respond to requests for explanation of poll voting.

Following accepted E8 board procedures, you could post a picture of a Big Red Pickup Truck with a toothless redneck in the back, and explain that it's a picture of RedTackle posting his questions on Post Patterns.

[redswarm81]

KMack "You don't need me to take out the trash"
Mrs KMack "Knock of the Jedi crap and get your butt in here and take out the trash"

Jedi only works on D3sports.com, not at home.

That is pretty EFFING funny.

A lot of Erratic8 posters are worried that a 2 loss E8 team can't get a Pool C bid.  I wouldn't be so pessimistic.  I think a 2 loss Hobart is a lock for Pool C.  Any thoughts?

[redswarm81]

Am I imagining things or did Union escape w/ their lives against Kings Point 2 years ago?...the same year they went to the NCAAs? 

You are not imagining things.  Union won that game something like 7-0, on a freak last minute fumble recovery or something like that.

It was the biggest unsolved mystery of 2005, so I share your confusion.  USMMA was every bit as hapless in 2005 as they are in 2007, and Union, with Arcidiacono among the national leaders in rushing yardage, couldn't move past the 40 yard line against the Kings Pointers.

As for the D3football.com poll, it seems to me that every year, Ithaca is ranked high in the preseason poll.

[Rolevio]

Question for the board and more importantly Frank Rossi....Have you ever googled "frank rossi" and clicked on the images tab there is a couple of photos that are quite disturbing that are listed right there...whats the deal w/ that frank? anything you want to share w/ the LLPP we are here for you

Rolevio's eyes are scarred.  Where is Garnet with cheerleader pictures?

[JQV]

Isn't that what happened in 2003?....same "soft schedule" and ironically, RPI got waxed by Hobart in the last game in 2003 and made it to the final 4.  Enough said.....go cry yourselves to sleep on your meaningless statistic pillows as RPI is competing for the NCAAs.

In all fairness RT, if you are going to rely on 2003 to validate RPI you have to at least mention 1999 and 2001 when RPI skated through a terrible schedule to get home playoff games (and at least one bye) before getting beat 29-10 by Rowan and 27-10 by IC respectively.

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Can someone explain to RT how Alfred is ranked ahead of RPI in the D3.com top 25 poll when RPI is undefeated and AU's only loss is to a team RPI beat (Hobart)??

But yeah, the Hobart scores seem to be a fairly obvious reason to move them ahead of Alfred.

"Fairly obvious?"  "Reason?"

That's, like, logic.  Reason.  Rational thought.  Where's the "that's the way I feel?"

Keith, you have so much to learn.  I commend you to the Erratic8 board, for a lesson in how to respond to requests for explanation of poll voting.

Following accepted E8 board procedures, you could post a picture of a Big Red Pickup Truck with a toothless redneck in the back, and explain that it's a picture of RedTackle posting his questions on Post Patterns.

Ah but here's the rub - RT is well respected, and he doesn't pound on the subject saying the exact same things over, and over, and over, and...

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As for the D3football.com poll, it seems to me that every year, Ithaca is ranked high in the preseason poll.

If by "high in the preseason poll" you mean outside of the top 25.

[JQV]

As for the D3football.com poll, it seems to me that every year, Ithaca is ranked high in the preseason poll.

If by "high in the preseason poll" you mean outside of the top 25.

...objectively speaking that is.

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As for the D3football.com poll, it seems to me that every year, Ithaca is ranked high in the preseason poll.

If by "high in the preseason poll" you mean outside of the top 25.

...objectively speaking that is.

+k

yes, all feelings aside