FB: Liberty League

[Jonny Utah]

Are the Yankees still playing?  Once they hit 10 back, JT stopped caring.  Thank god for football season.

Nothing like a loyal fan.

Kind of like all those "loyal" Sox fans that abandoned Fenway in the 8th inning of a 1-1 game last night.

Is this comming from a Tampa fan where games are still 50% sox fans and 50% empty seats?  Even when they are in first place?  10K empty seats for the yankee series and 20K (over 50%) empty for the redsox? 

I was there last night (till the 10th), and there was 90% attendence till the 9th I would say Jose.....

I really dont think you can ever say anything about the loyalty of the redsox fans.

Celtics and even Patriots sure, but the sox fans are sick in the head.  Highest ticket prices in the country and they still sell out every single game.

Not that hard to sell out when you only have 39,000 seats 18,000 less than Yankee Stadium

Rolevio is wondering if Superman is really thinking 18,000 seats is a load of difference when Boston has a population of about 600,000 and New York has a population of 8 million or so.  Rolevio assumes the difference in metro areas is similiar.

Fenway still would sell out with 57K seats. Not even one doubt in dc's mind.

I think it would too these days.  I mean, the entire season is sold out in 1-2 days.  Its not unlike many football cities that sell out entire seasons regularly.

[JQV]

JU, the Trop is empty for any number of reasons but, then again, no one has ever argued that this is a city populated with loyal sports fans.  On the other hand, Boston's PR Director Peter Gammons is always talking about the loyalty of Red Sox Nation. 

I think it takes at least one generation for a team to actually develop a loyal fan base.  The Red Sox always existed when you were growing up.  I grew up a Yankee fan because they trained here and that was it.  I didn't really start following the Rays until I started working for them.  The same thing has started to happen with the Bucs.  When they were first good in 1996, there was some bandwagon interest but they weren't selling out.  Now that my generation (I was born for years after the Bucs' first game) is of ticket-buying age, there are no seats available.  It just takes time.

[Jonny Utah]

JU, the Trop is empty for any number of reasons but, then again, no one has ever argued that this is a city populated with loyal sports fans.  On the other hand, Boston's PR Director Peter Gammons is always talking about the loyalty of Red Sox Nation. 

I think it takes at least one generation for a team to actually develop a loyal fan base.  The Red Sox always existed when you were growing up.  I grew up a Yankee fan because they trained here and that was it.  I didn't really start following the Rays until I started working for them.  The same thing has started to happen with the Bucs.  When they were first good in 1996, there was some bandwagon interest but they weren't selling out.  Now that my generation (I was born for years after the Bucs' first game) is of ticket-buying age, there are no seats available.  It just takes time.

Very true.  But I think its a baseball thing more than a "home city" thing.  Many football (and even some hockey) cities with expansion teams have been able to sell out many games.

[Jonny Utah]

Not a lot of d1 football talk here after the past week.  Heres a few of JUs thoughts....

- Although the unsportsmanlike penalty that was called in last weeks BYU/Wash game was a close one, Wash still had a chance to kick what should be an easy FG for a d1 college team.  I dont feel so bad for them.

-Im always looking to jump on the Penn St bandwagon every year. Is this finally the year that Penn St can make a run?

-I either want to see ND do really well, or really bad (does that make sense?).  Looks like Ill be routing against them this year.  I was routing hard for SDSU last week.

-Is Clemson the most overated college football program in the history of football programs?  Ive never been impressed.  I think Boston College has beaten them 4-5 times in a row now.

-Rutgers is horrible.

-I couldnt tell if Florida looked good or bad in last weeks Miami game.

[stimulator]

Any pick 'ems for the first week of LL play......   or should I say first week LL teams all play?

RPI 28                  Gulls 7
Hobart 21             Dickinson 17
Susqhehanna 17  Juniata 7
Coast Guard 31    Merchant Marine 7
Case WR 38         Rochester 20
WPI 21                 Worcester State 17
Union 24              Springfield 14
St Lawrence 21    Norwich 7

[JQV]

Very true.  But I think its a baseball thing more than a "home city" thing.  Many football (and even some hockey) cities with expansion teams have been able to sell out many games.

You're right but, you can't compare hockey/football to baseball because of season length.

[Jonny Utah]

Very true.  But I think its a baseball thing more than a "home city" thing.  Many football (and even some hockey) cities with expansion teams have been able to sell out many games.

You're right but, you can't compare hockey/football to baseball because of season length.

Thats true in a lot of cases, but I think you could put an NFL team in 30 select cities/areas in this country right now and sell out 60K a game.  Basketball and Hockey (and baseball) seem to see the end of both sides with many cities selling out and other cities in the same sport doing very poorly.

[PBR...]

Part II of the mess...first subprime now Alt-A loans just starting to default...it is going to get very nasty economy wise for awhile....

     Homeowners lured by low introductory rates to Alt-A
mortgages, which typically require little or no proof of a
borrower's income, may fuel the next wave of foreclosures and
further delay a recovery from the worst housing decline since the
1930s. Almost 16 percent of securitized Alt-A loans issued since
January 2006 are at least 60 days late, data compiled by Bloomberg
show. Defaults will accelerate next year and continue through 2011
as these loans hit their three- and five-year reset periods,
according to RealtyTrac Inc., an Irvine, California-based
foreclosure data provider.
     About 3 million U.S. borrowers have Alt-A mortgages totaling
$1 trillion, compared with $855 billion of subprime loans
outstanding, according to Inside Mortgage Finance, a trade
publication in Bethesda, Maryland. Of the Alt-A borrowers, 70
percent may have exaggerated their income, said David Olson,
president of mortgage research firm Wholesale Access in Columbia,
Maryland.
     Risks extend beyond banks and consumers to Washington-based
Fannie Mae, which owned or guaranteed $340 billion of Alt-A
mortgages in the second quarter, equal to about 11 percent of its
total single-family mortgage credit book of business. The loans
accounted for half of the company's second-quarter credit losses,
according to a regulatory filing. Alt-A holdings at McLean,
Virginia-based Freddie Mac were $190 billion, or 10 percent of its
mortgages, in the second quarter, according to the company's Web
site.

Peoples mortgage payments are jumping from ~6% to 10.5 -12% ....just brutal out there right now

[Jonny Utah]

Part II of the mess...first subprime now Alt-A loans just starting to default...it is going to get very nasty economy wise for awhile....

     Homeowners lured by low introductory rates to Alt-A
mortgages, which typically require little or no proof of a
borrower's income, may fuel the next wave of foreclosures and
further delay a recovery from the worst housing decline since the
1930s. Almost 16 percent of securitized Alt-A loans issued since
January 2006 are at least 60 days late, data compiled by Bloomberg
show. Defaults will accelerate next year and continue through 2011
as these loans hit their three- and five-year reset periods,
according to RealtyTrac Inc., an Irvine, California-based
foreclosure data provider.
     About 3 million U.S. borrowers have Alt-A mortgages totaling
$1 trillion, compared with $855 billion of subprime loans
outstanding, according to Inside Mortgage Finance, a trade
publication in Bethesda, Maryland. Of the Alt-A borrowers, 70
percent may have exaggerated their income, said David Olson,
president of mortgage research firm Wholesale Access in Columbia,
Maryland.
     Risks extend beyond banks and consumers to Washington-based
Fannie Mae, which owned or guaranteed $340 billion of Alt-A
mortgages in the second quarter, equal to about 11 percent of its
total single-family mortgage credit book of business. The loans
accounted for half of the company's second-quarter credit losses,
according to a regulatory filing. Alt-A holdings at McLean,
Virginia-based Freddie Mac were $190 billion, or 10 percent of its
mortgages, in the second quarter, according to the company's Web
site.

Peoples mortgage payments are jumping from ~6% to 10.5 -12% ....just brutal out there right now

Non FHA loans have dropped this week though back down to the low 6s in some cases.....

(JU always looks into the positive!)

[JQV]

-I couldnt tell if Florida looked good or bad in last weeks Miami game.

There is a book out on Tebow now.  Michigan really kept him off balance by blitzing from everywhere during the Citrus Bowl and Miami used the same scheme.  UF's young OLine better get it together quick because I would bet that tape has made it around the SEC fast.

[JT]

hate to say pbr told ya JT but RU is going to get smoked this year many games. rice was 80% of that team and teel cant carry it. too prone to the interception. schiano is a very avg game day coach when he has to make adjustments and butch davis is an excellent coach who will have unc extremely competitive in another 2-3 years.

pbr,

Sold the tix on Stubhub.  No way I was getting out of NYC for 7pm start on a Thursday.  Was on a press check at 6pm.  Getting busier which is good.  Jan-July was lean by normal standards.  JT really enjoys going to games, but the emotional investment isn't there yet.  The knots, nervousness, pure joy or enormous disappointment from a Rowan contest tops it easily.

I guess you can take the boy out of DIII, but you can't take DIII out of the boy.

Rutgers is in trouble.  They are good w/o Ray Rice, but they've made too many mistakes.  I'm beginning to wonder if Teel can read defenses.  5 int's in two games. 17-6 at half, then NC drops 21 on 'em in the third QTR. I also think Schiano has made some bone head calls. 

If they don't beat Navy next week the Scarlet Knights are in deep doo doo.  They need 8-4 to make a decent bowl.  They've got to beat Navy and Morgan St. and get back to 2-2.

[PBR...]

hate to say pbr told ya JT but RU is going to get smoked this year many games. rice was 80% of that team and teel cant carry it. too prone to the interception. schiano is a very avg game day coach when he has to make adjustments and butch davis is an excellent coach who will have unc extremely competitive in another 2-3 years.

pbr,

Sold the tix on Stubhub.  No way I was getting out of NYC for 7pm start on a Thursday.  Was on a press check at 6pm.  Getting busier which is good.  Jan-July was lean by normal standards.  JT really enjoys going to games, but the emotional investment isn't there yet.  The knots, nervousness, pure joy or enormous disappointment from a Rowan contest tops it easily.

I guess you can take the boy out of DIII, but you can't take DIII out of the boy.

Rutgers is in trouble.  They are good w/o Ray Rice, but they've made too many mistakes.  I'm beginning to wonder if Teel can read defenses.  5 int's in two games. 17-6 at half, then NC drops 21 on 'em in the third QTR. I also think Schiano has made some bone head calls. 

If they don't beat Navy next week the Scarlet Knights are in deep doo doo.  They need 8-4 to make a decent bowl.  They've got to beat Navy and Morgan St. and get back to 2-2.

dood they are brutal...they may only win 3 games this year looking at their schedule. that times is awful on all fronts, especially defense they cant stop anything run/pass and people running wide open all over the place. schiano was actually lucky to get rice since he decommitted from syracuse after pasqluoni was canned...pbr works w/ 20-30 ru alumni and they are ready to burn schiano at the stake and want him out. especially since they are taking 100 million bucks to expand the stadium and have this to show for it. they made several sports non scholarship and pulled scholies from people in other sports to put the money towards the stadium. very classless thing to do imho...p.s. psu wants no part of greggie and has closed its borders w/ new joisey

[dewcrew88]

Any pick 'ems for the first week of LL play......   or should I say first week LL teams all play?

RPI 28                  Gulls 7
Hobart 21             Dickinson 17
Susqhehanna 17  Juniata 7
Coast Guard 31    Merchant Marine 7
Case WR 38         Rochester 20
WPI 21                 Worcester State 17
Union 24              Springfield 14
St Lawrence 21    Norwich 7

I think Springfield will score more than 14 points.

['gro]

Not a lot of d1 football talk here after the past week.  Heres a few of JUs thoughts....

- Although the unsportsmanlike penalty that was called in last weeks BYU/Wash game was a close one, Wash still had a chance to kick what should be an easy FG for a d1 college team.  I dont feel so bad for them.

One of the sportsheads on ESPN said that the rule clearly states that you can't throw the ball during a celebration. This wasn't a judgement call, the QBthrew the ball then celebrated w/ teammates.

If enough people are against it, go ahead and change the rule, but the zebras were right this time.

[stimulator]

[I think Springfield will score more than 14 points./quote]

You maybe right.  I saw them play Fitchburg last week and they had 500+ yards rushing.  But Fitchburg was awful on D and very small to boot.  I don't think they will havfe that kind of success against Union. 

Springfield fumbled 9 times losing 4 so they are a bit mistake prone.  The option offense got some of their talented kids on the edge but the QB/fullback ride was an adventure.

We'll see what Union has to say.  Springfield is young.