FB: Liberty League

[Frank Rossi]

There isgrey Frank, thats my whole point.  Watching a team (or teams) throughout the season can tell you a lot about that team.  It tells you a lot more a bunch of SOS numbers, out of region stats, and ratios.  I'm just saying there should be a little more human involvement than what currently is in place thats all.

I never defended the loophole, and I never said your solution was bad or good. It actually made sense. I merely pointed out that it helped the E8 last year, and might help it this year.   

A lot of us are watching games each Saturday, but we can't watch over 100 games every week.  We have to use the same level of analysis for every team in order to be fair -- or else, we're playing favorites when trying to match teams up during our analysis.  Sure, earlier I made the point that MUH looked somewhat weak vs. Union -- however, I'm not going to look at the halftime score and third quarter score if I'm trying to rank MUH -- nor am I going to look deep into that game unless another team's resume is so close to MUH's that I have no other alternative but to seek such info.  However, I would be forced to do this for ALL teams involved in that deep analysis, not just for the team(s) for which I'd want to do that.  Wins, losses, strengths of schedule and even margins of victory will tell you a lot about most teams enough to begin your preliminary analysis -- and quite often, the full analysis you need to do when placing teams.

[Frank Rossi]

The LL regains the lead!  Apparently, we became the lobbying arm of the Lambert Poll today, unofficially.

[theoriginalupstate]

The LL regains the lead!  Apparently, we became the lobbying arm of the Lambert Poll today, unofficially.

Hopefully me and a hartwick fan get into another pissing match and take the lead again tomorrow!

Dont forget Simpson Quote Friday is nearing so expect another 50-60 posts simpson (and semi-football) related.

[Frank Rossi]

The LL regains the lead!  Apparently, we became the lobbying arm of the Lambert Poll today, unofficially.

Hopefully me and a hartwick fan get into another pissing match and take the lead again tomorrow!

Dont forget Simpson Quote Friday is nearing so expect another 50-60 posts simpson (and semi-football) related.

D'oh!

['gro]

Union has a pretty good sophomore RB in Chris Coney.  He's got skills... and style



I don't think there's another RB in the LL that can pull off the bow tie.  It's catching on, just the other day Terrell Owens showed up to the Cowboys locker room like this:

[Frank Rossi]

Union has a pretty good sophomore RB in Chris Coney.  He's got skills... and style



I don't think there's another RB in the LL that can pull off the bow tie.  It's catching on, just the other day Terrell Owens showed up to the Cowboys locker room like this:

'gro, what will you be sporting to the Shooz this year?  Did Chris Coney inspire any ideas?

['gro]

Can't make it to Shoes or the final pumpkin bash at 86 this year... but gro may have to wear a bow tie during the broadcast.

[Frank Rossi]

Can't make it to Shoes or the final pumpkin bash at 86 this year... but gro may have to wear a bow tie during the broadcast.

Won't be the same without ya

[Knightstalker]

Can't make it to Shoes or the final pumpkin bash at 86 this year... but gro may have to wear a bow tie during the broadcast.

Bow tie and Patrick Ewing jersey, sans pants of course.

[Pat Coleman]

The high point differntial in the IC/Hartwick game puts IC over the top in this 3 way tie at the moment. 

But the IC/SJF game was at least close for a half.  Thats why "ratios" cant always be looked at in all this.

Do you actually read your posts for consistency?  I mean, Pat was answering your own "differential" post with a "ratio" comparison.  C'mon, Jonny.  Step away from the Bomber, man.

I just don't like seeing terms like 6:1 or SOS is .98456456 versus .98346356.  Id rather watch the games, see for myself which team is better and then decide. 

And that's what this NON-Ithaca grad did.

[Jonny Utah]

The high point differntial in the IC/Hartwick game puts IC over the top in this 3 way tie at the moment. 

But the IC/SJF game was at least close for a half.  Thats why "ratios" cant always be looked at in all this.

Do you actually read your posts for consistency?  I mean, Pat was answering your own "differential" post with a "ratio" comparison.  C'mon, Jonny.  Step away from the Bomber, man.

I just don't like seeing terms like 6:1 or SOS is .98456456 versus .98346356.  Id rather watch the games, see for myself which team is better and then decide. 

And that's what this NON-Ithaca grad did.

And Im also saying that if you had SJF ranked over Hartwick, I would have been ok with that.  I didn't mean to infer that you were solely basing your rankings on numbers either.  But there is way too much numbers flying around in here.

I just couldnt rank Hartwick over Ithaca right now if they both have one loss and the head to head is in favor of Ithaca.

JU has horrible grammar tonight

 

[Frank Rossi]

The high point differntial in the IC/Hartwick game puts IC over the top in this 3 way tie at the moment. 

But the IC/SJF game was at least close for a half.  Thats why "ratios" cant always be looked at in all this.

Do you actually read your posts for consistency?  I mean, Pat was answering your own "differential" post with a "ratio" comparison.  C'mon, Jonny.  Step away from the Bomber, man.

I just don't like seeing terms like 6:1 or SOS is .98456456 versus .98346356.  Id rather watch the games, see for myself which team is better and then decide. 

And that's what this NON-Ithaca grad did.

And Im also saying that if you had SJF ranked over Hartwick, I would have been ok with that.  I didn't mean to infer that you were solely basing your rankings on numbers either.  But there is way too much numbers flying around in here.

I just couldnt rank Hartwick over Ithaca right now if they both have one loss and the head to head is in favor of Ithaca.

JU has horrible grammar tonight

 

In a 3-way triangle, you have an infinite loop, Jonny.  You have to take a stand on criteria other than head-to-head, or you have no basis for analysis and placement.

Let's take YOUR own words:

1. Ithaca Fan:  "I just couldnt rank Hartwick over Ithaca right now if they both have one loss and the head to head is in favor of Ithaca."

2. SJF Fan:  "I just couldnt rank [Ithaca] over [SJF] right now if they both have one [regional] loss and the head to head is in favor of [SJF].

3. Hartwick Fan:  "I just couldnt rank [SJF] over [Hartwick] right now if they both have one [regional] loss and the head to head is in favor of [Hartwick]."

In the old days of BASIC programming:  Goto 1.

[Frank Rossi]

By the way, Jonny, here are the current SoS numbers for the teams in question:

Ithaca:  OWP - 0.613  OOWP - 0.626

Fisher:  OWP - 0.500  OOWP - 0.631   

Hartwick:  OWP - 0.688  OOWP - 0.517 

Presently, if the Committee had to distinguish these teams today, Hartwick would likely be chosen over SJF and Ithaca.  This could change as the season continues, but IN THE CURRENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES, this is the present case. 

Note:  If one of these teams gets the AQ under this scenario, head-to-head might matter for the remaining two teams in an analysis.  But currently, to argue the issue of ballots placing Hartwick over Ithaca and SJF, I look to these numbers for some confirmation if I'm such a voter.

[Jonny Utah]

The high point differntial in the IC/Hartwick game puts IC over the top in this 3 way tie at the moment. 

But the IC/SJF game was at least close for a half.  Thats why "ratios" cant always be looked at in all this.

Do you actually read your posts for consistency?  I mean, Pat was answering your own "differential" post with a "ratio" comparison.  C'mon, Jonny.  Step away from the Bomber, man.

I just don't like seeing terms like 6:1 or SOS is .98456456 versus .98346356.  Id rather watch the games, see for myself which team is better and then decide. 

And that's what this NON-Ithaca grad did.

And Im also saying that if you had SJF ranked over Hartwick, I would have been ok with that.  I didn't mean to infer that you were solely basing your rankings on numbers either.  But there is way too much numbers flying around in here.

I just couldnt rank Hartwick over Ithaca right now if they both have one loss and the head to head is in favor of Ithaca.

JU has horrible grammar tonight

 

In a 3-way triangle, you have an infinite loop, Jonny.  You have to take a stand on criteria other than head-to-head, or you have no basis for analysis and placement.

Let's take YOUR own words:

1. Ithaca Fan:  "I just couldnt rank Hartwick over Ithaca right now if they both have one loss and the head to head is in favor of Ithaca."

2. SJF Fan:  "I just couldnt rank [Ithaca] over [SJF] right now if they both have one [regional] loss and the head to head is in favor of [SJF].

3. Hartwick Fan:  "I just couldnt rank [SJF] over [Hartwick] right now if they both have one [regional] loss and the head to head is in favor of [Hartwick]."

In the old days of BASIC programming:  Goto 1.

Ok, but the [regional] loss doesn't and shouldn't mean anything to anyone in terms of it being [regional] or not,  and I already said how I thought the IC/Wick and IC/SJF games were not flukes, while the wick/sjf game may be looked on as a fluke.  I mean, wasn't it you last week who was so against Hartwick in the first place?

IC dominated Hartwick

SJF dominated Ithaca

Hartwick beat SJF

There are the differences that I am looking at.  And Im taking into consideration that if IC played Salsbury and MUC they might be 3-3 as well.

[pg04]

Why is this on two different pages???  Sorry but this whole conversation is becoming overwhelming and going nowhere..