FB: Liberty League

[Regulator]

RE: proverbial drinking lamp

PBR,
Please forward me the meeting request for this Friday's "meeting"

Thanks,
Mgmt

[union89]

RE: proverbial drinking lamp

PBR,
Please forward me the meeting request for this Friday's "meeting"

Thanks,
Mgmt

Reg, since we will not be able to tip 1 at Shoozapalooza......grab a ML out of the cooler now.

[redswarm81]

Thanks for the compliments, guys.  One thing that jumped out at me is that there cannot be a three-way, one-loss tie this year.  This will give us some level of ease, assuming the unexpected doesn't happen, to determine who wins the AQ under each scenario as more games get played.

The only Pool C potential teams are the Engineers, both RPI and WPI.  Hobart would be a large longshot at 7-2 (this is where that Alfred game would've come in handy this year -- an insurance policy would've helped for an 8-2 record).

I'm still dying to know who's going to make that NCAA regional top ten list. . . . but I don't think they come out until what--after two more Saturdays?  Thinking out loud here, . . . if RPI beats SUS and the Larries, they're 6-0 and surely ranked.  If WPI beats SchoolofRoch and loses to Hobart, then WPI is 6-2, and maybe-but-not-surely ranked, while Hobart is 6-1 and more likely ranked.  If Hobart then lost to the Originaleers, they'd be 6-2, hoping that WPI is ranked so that the Pumpkinheads get the bonus points for beating a ranked team.

Since as near as I can tell, only the supersecret final rankings matter for playoff selection, so in the above scenario, Hobart would really be pulling for WPI to win out, to finish 8-2, and likely ranked--but that's a potentially self-defeating proposition, since an 8-2 WPI would have a higher in-region winning pct than Hobart, although Hobart would have the head-to-head result, . . .

Such confusion--who says the E8 has all the fun?

There's no way WPI gets ranked with two losses.  Their SoS is an issue at that point moreso than ever.

This is where the what-ifs become far too numerous for me to follow.  With 2 losses, WPI would have a higher winning percentage than any 7-2 team, which would include all teams with 9 game schedules, and teams with 10 game schedules that include an out-of-region game.  Who would be the other potential 2 loss competitors besides Hobart?

We know that in the NJAC, Kean, Rowan and Montclair St have yet to beat the snot out of each other.

The E8 is a well documented clusterfuster--if SJF loses another game, their best in-region record is 6-2.  Ithaca has yet to wage its holy war on Cortland, and you have to wonder if Hartwick can continue to defy gravity.

There are some showdowns yet to come in the MAC, right?

This is something of a WAG at this point, but I'm thinking the odds are even money or better that by selection time, there are no Pool C candidates in the East with less than 2 losses, which means WPI's winning percentage gives it an edge.  Granted, I have no idea how the selectors weigh winning percentage v. OWP/OOWP.  I personally would have to count winning percentage ahead of OWP/OOWP, since the lack of sufficient interconference play makes OWP/OOWP comparisons across conferences statistically suspect.  On the other hand, I can sympathize with teams whose regional winning percentages suffer from scheduling "only" 9 games, or from playing non-regional games--especially when those non-regional games are more geographically convenient than regional games.

Thus, to an extent I have to borrow a line from Lyco80's script, and just "wait and see."

[PBR...]

Man.....the D-Rays are rediculas!!!

Sox are sucking, but the Rays are taking advantage of every mistake AND creating their own.....amazing performance for a very young team so far......('so far' is wishful thinking for U89 as it's 5-0 in the 3rd).

stunned...cant believe the sox came back and won it...wtf the were the rays thinking pitching to ortiz? they had a lefty in the 'pen warming up and ready to go and BAM!! may have woken up the sox and will be interesting to see if the rays can handle a crushing defeat like this after being a few outs away from the world series up 7-0. If the rays dont win the next game w/ shields going there is no way they will win the series the sox will have all the momentum. As a phillies fan pbr loves it and hopes they smack each other around for 7 games...

[dlippiel]

DC will be attending the RPI-Susquehanna tilt on Saturday at 86 Field. Who else will be there?

Gro, Reg, and LD are all in other area codes, your best bet would be RT. I think it's homecoming too.

Speaking of homecoming, back in the day Gro's HS was EVERY schools homecoming game.  Well now the Schenectady Patriots are 6-0 and the top ranked AA team in the section (#11 in the state!). Truly amazing turnaround.  Gro's alma matters are 10-0 and I probably just jinxed the hell out of both of them this weekend.

As a teacher in the Schenectady district I am proud to say the Schenectady Patriots are 6-0, have home field for the playoffs and are ranked 11th in NYS large schools.

Go, 'Doids......Go!!!!

Sorry couldn't help it (keep in mind, U89 grew up in Worcester, so he is a 'Doid to kids from WPI, Holy Cross, Assumption, Clark, Worcester State, etc.)

Doids thats it! I haven't heard that term in years! I used to come home from college and two of my good friends played hockey at U and I would go to the parties with them occasionally. Anyway at one party I met a lady and she was like"I have never hooked up with a doid before." I was like what the %^&* is a doid. She was like"Your a local, not one of us." Needless to say I was devestated for life! Thanks for the memories U89!

[Senor RedTackle]

RT, When is JUs second chance going to come to buy that IBM stock!!!!

JU...good question...RT bought in at the low 80s way back when, held it to satisfy for long term, then dumped it at $130 in July....it's hovered in the low 100's for much of the year but just took a beating, along w/ all the other tech stocks, because of the economic downturn and insanity on the street the last few weeks. However, RT feels it's a "buy" at anything under $98. They just posted solid earnings for 3Q and the outlook is good. IBMs core services busines is putting up big numbers and the hardware/software side that RT works in is also hitting their numbers and manufacturing has been at capacity. The balance sheet looks good and with this economic state we're in, the watch words are 'consolidation'....IBM will be doing alot to help clients with technology refreshes that provide quick ROI and moving assets off balance sheets with favorable financial packages through IBM global financing with monies being so cheap now....and the whole "green" initiative is taking root. IBM is in a good position and should climb back up to the $115-130 range over the next 12 months. Phone it in.....

[SJFF82]

Liberty League Playoff Scenarios (As of 10/16/08):

RPI (4-0, 2-0 LL)
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Remaining Schedule:  10/18 vs. SUS, 10/25 @ SLU, 11/1 vs. UNI, 11/8 vs. HOB, 11/15 @ MMA

In Control of Own Destiny?:  Yes.

Would Win the LL IF:  RPI wins if it wins all remaining LL games.  If RPI loses one game, it is not guaranteed the title since RPI still plays against two teams with one LL loss currently (SUS & HOB).  However, there will not be a three-way tie involving RPI in any one-loss RPI scenario (SUS still plays WPI & RPI, HOB still plays WPI & RPI and WPI stil plays HOB and SUS -- no combination allows for 3 one-loss teams if RPI has one loss).  Therefore, we know that RPI can lose one of the following games without risking the LL title:  SLU, MMA or UNI. 

Would Be Eliminated IF:  Two losses would likely cause RPI issues since RPI's schedule has many upper-tiered LL teams (in terms of present standings) yet to come.

Pool C Possibilities:  An 8-1 RPI would likely have a better than 50% chance for a Pool C bid, although SoS may play a role depending on how the rest of the East plays out.  However, the team RPI loses against would need to be a strong team by the end of the season to help ensure a foothold for Pool C consideration.  A 7-2 RPI likely has less than a 20% chance at present time for a Pool C bid.


Hobart (4-1, 2-1 LL)
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Remaining Schedule:  10/18 BYE, 10/25 @ MMA, 11/1 vs. WPI, 11/8 @ RPI, 11/15 vs. ROC

In Control of Own Destiny?:  Yes.

Would Win the LL IF:  Hobart is still in control of its own destiny since Hobart has already beaten SUS and has yet to play RPI and WPI.  Any loss would put Hobart at peril and likely force it into only a mild chance of a 3- or 4-way tiebreaker at two losses.  If UNI were to remain at two losses, Hobart would be at a disadvantage in such a scenario.

Would Be Eliminated IF:  Two more losses would likely be a complete elimination, although one more loss would be a virtual elimination -- unless many other scenarios come to fruition.

Pool C Possibilities:  Hobart will likely not be in Pool C contention.  Hobart either wins the LL with an 8-1 record or will have a 7-2 (or worse) record.  A 7-2 Hobart would be hurt by a loss against Union -- while the OOC schedule is decent for Hobart, it will be a tough haul to try to win a Pool C slot in such circumstances.


WPI (5-1, 2-1 LL)
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Remaining Schedule:  10/18 BYE, 10/25 vs. ROC, 11/1 @ HOB, 11/8 vs. SUS, 11/15 @ SLU

In Control of Own Destiny?:  No.

Would Win the LL IF:  WPI needs RPI to lose twice.  There will not be a three-way tie at one loss since WPI still faces both other one-loss teams (HOB & SUS).  Since RPI has already beaten WPI, WPI cannot win a head-to-head tiebreaker at one loss.  Thus, RPI must lose twice.  If WPI loses once more, its chances in a two-loss tiebreaker, if no teams have one or no losses, are indefinite.

Would Be Eliminated IF:  Likely completely with two more losses, although one more loss will make it tough as WPI's success in a two-loss tiebreaker is indefinite.

Pool C Possibilities:  WPI could be fighting for a Pool C slot at 9-1 if RPI wins the LL.  This would be one of the strongest winning percentages in all of Division III, especially among teams in Pool C.  While WPI would not be guaranteed a Pool C slot at 9-1, it will likely have a better than 50% chance at one (SoS may hurt their chances, but this will depend on final SoS figures).  At 8-2, WPI is likely not going to be seriously considered for Pool C based on its OOC schedule.


Susquehanna (3-3, 2-1 LL)
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Remaining Schedule:  10/18 @ RPI, 10/25 BYE, 11/1 vs. SLU, 11/8 @ WPI, 11/15 vs. UNI

In Control of Own Destiny?:  No.

Would Win the LL IF:  While Susquehanna still plays RPI, the loss to HOB would prevent a win of the LL if HOB still has one loss at the end of the season (again, no three-way, one-loss tie is possible).  Susquehanna still plays RPI and WPI, meaning that if Susquehanna beats RPI, the HOB/RPI would decide Susquehanna's fate (assuming RPI, HOB and Susquehanna win all other remaining games).  A two-loss Susquehanna   would have some trouble if HOB is in the tiebreaker, since Susquehanna has lost to HOB already.

Would Be Eliminated IF:  Likely eliminated with two more losses, but in peril with one more loss since two-loss tiebreaker is indefinite.

Pool C Possibilities:  None at this time, with three regional losses.


Union (2-3, 1-2 LL)
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Remaining Schedule:  10/18 vs. SLU, 10/25 BYE, 11/1 @ RPI, 11/8 vs. MMA, 11/15 @ SUS

In Control of Own Destiny?:  No.

Would Win the LL IF:  A lot here is needed.  Specifically, Union needs to win all remaining games, forcing SUS to a second loss and RPI to its first loss.  It also needs RPI, HOB and WPI to lose an additional game (still possible since WPI plays HOB and SUS, RPI plays HOB and WPI and HOB plays WPI and RPI).  In fact, if Union beats SUS and RPI, there is a guarantee that no more than ONE team will have one or less LL losses (either RPI, HOB or WPI).  In addition, Union needs ROC to lose once more in the LL and needs to hope that WPI is not the only other two-loss team since WPI beat Union head-to-head (Union could win a 3- or 4-way two-loss tie, even with one of ROC or WPI in the mix).

Would Be Eliminated IF:  Likely with one more league loss.

Pool C Possibilities:  None at this time, with three regional losses.


USMMA (2-4, 1-2 LL)
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Remaining Schedule:  10/18 @ ROC, 10/25 vs. HOB, 11/1 BYE, 11/8 @ UNI, 11/15 vs. RPI

In Control of Own Destiny?:  No.

Would Win the LL IF:  USMMA has a problem since it has lost to two teams above USMMA in the standings already (WPI & SUS).  Well, one of those teams will lose in a head-to-head game.  So, if USMMA wins out, we know that RPI has at least one loss, HOB has at least two losses and either SUS or WPI will have at least two losses (if not both).  So, USMMA needs RPI and the remaining team of SUS or WPI to lose once more -- and needs some help in a two-loss tiebreaker (since there could be two teams that USMMA has lost to in that tiebreaker -- although that isn't definite since either or both could lose a third game).  In other words, even if a two-loss tiebreaker is necessary for the LL title, USMMA still needs help inside that tiebreaker to win.

Would Be Eliminated IF:  Likely with one more league loss.

Pool C Possibilities:  None, with four regional losses.


Rochester (1-4, 1-2 LL)
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Remaining Schedule:  10/18 vs. MMA, 10/25 @ WPI, 11/1 vs. ALF (NL), 11/8 vs. SLU, 11/15 @ HOB

In Control of Own Destiny?:  No.

Would Win the LL IF:  Rochester needs the most help out of two-loss teams, since it has already lost to RPI.  Thus, two RPI losses and one more SUS loss woud be necessary since Rochester plays HOB and WPI in the future.  Even in a two-loss tiebreaker, Rochester has trouble since Rochester lost to RPI and SUS earlier in the season. 

Would Be Eliminated IF:  Likely with one more league loss.

Pool C Possibilities:  None, with four regional losses.


St. Lawrence (0-5, 0-2 LL)
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Remaining Schedule:  10/18 @ UNI, 10/25 vs. RPI, 11/1 @ SUS, 11/8 @ ROC, 11/15 vs. WPI

In Control of Own Destiny?:  No.

Would Win the LL IF:  Like UNI, St. Lawrence still plays a number of teams above it.  If it wins out, SUS and WPI would each have two losses and either RPI or HOB would have a second loss guaranteed based on the head-to-head HOB/RPI game.  St. Lawrence therefore needs RPI or HOB (the winner of that game) to lose once more and needs USMMA to lose a third game.  This way, it could potentially win a 3- or 4-way tiebreaker.  St. Lawrence would lose a head-to-head tie at two losses with Hobart, however.

Would Be Eliminated IF:  Likely with one more loss.

Pool C Possibilities:  None, with five regional losses.

so what exactly is your point Frank

[Frank Rossi]

DC will be attending the RPI-Susquehanna tilt on Saturday at 86 Field. Who else will be there?

Gro, Reg, and LD are all in other area codes, your best bet would be RT. I think it's homecoming too.

Speaking of homecoming, back in the day Gro's HS was EVERY schools homecoming game.  Well now the Schenectady Patriots are 6-0 and the top ranked AA team in the section (#11 in the state!). Truly amazing turnaround.  Gro's alma matters are 10-0 and I probably just jinxed the hell out of both of them this weekend.

As a teacher in the Schenectady district I am proud to say the Schenectady Patriots are 6-0, have home field for the playoffs and are ranked 11th in NYS large schools.

Go, 'Doids......Go!!!!

Sorry couldn't help it (keep in mind, U89 grew up in Worcester, so he is a 'Doid to kids from WPI, Holy Cross, Assumption, Clark, Worcester State, etc.)

Doids thats it! I haven't heard that term in years! I used to come home from college and two of my good friends played hockey at U and I would go to the parties with them occasionally. Anyway at one party I met a lady and she was like"I have never hooked up with a doid before." I was like what the %^&* is a doid. She was like"Your a local, not one of us." Needless to say I was devestated for life! Thanks for the memories U89!

I may be the worst of all Doids...I was born in Ellis Hospital -- 2 blocks from Union, basically.  Funny how life goes sometimes.

[Frank Rossi]

In the news today...

- Gallup Likely Voters Poll:  Obama 49%, McCain 47%;

- Palin to appear on SNL tomorrow;

- Buffett:  "Be greedy" in buying stocks;

- Stock Market:  Traders greedy, taking profits in early trading;

- ACORN registering up to 200,000 squirrelly voters in Ohio;

- Red Sox make another 1929 comparison with first 7-run playoff comeback since then; and

- Gas prices dip below $3 in many jurisdictions.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

['gro]

Franklin, there's a whole separate board for most of that talk (although Palin on SNL seems interesting).

Is Niskayuna still doid jurisdiction? Gro was born at Bellevue hospital.

[Frank Rossi]

Franklin, there's a whole separate board for most of that talk (although Palin on SNL seems interesting).

Is Niskayuna still doid jurisdiction? Gro was born at Bellevue hospital.

In your case, 'gro, YEP.

[Regulator]

RE: proverbial drinking lamp

PBR,
Please forward me the meeting request for this Friday's "meeting"

Thanks,
Mgmt

Reg, since we will not be able to tip 1 at Shoozapalooza......grab a ML out of the cooler now.

U89- 2 things-

#1 I am not headed to Shoozapalooza '08 or any other pre-playoff game this year.
#2 Please hold all tipping until PBR lights the proverbial drinking lamp.

Thanks,
Mgmt

[JT]

JT went to a supplier meeting on Wednesday hosted by a big Pharma client.  Got a crystal award and pick of a gift on the gift table.  The best item left in JT's estimation was a 1.75L of Johnny Walker Blue, so JT nabbed it.

JT is tempted to crack it when pbr lights the lamp in a few hours.

[union89]

RE: proverbial drinking lamp

PBR,
Please forward me the meeting request for this Friday's "meeting"

Thanks,
Mgmt

Reg, since we will not be able to tip 1 at Shoozapalooza......grab a ML out of the cooler now.

U89- 2 things-

#1 I am not headed to Shoozapalooza '08 or any other pre-playoff game this year.
#2 Please hold all tipping until PBR lights the proverbial drinking lamp.

Thanks,
Mgmt

Hence the comment, 'Since we will not be able to tip 1 at Shoozapalooza.....'

U89 is sitting by the computer, waiting anxiously for the lamp to be lit......

[PBR...]

this dood should be nominated as a honorary llpp member...would imagine the next day had to be a painful experience...

PITTSBURGH, Oct. 17 (UPI) -- A 21-year-old Pennsylvania man says he spent
nearly five hours eating a burger containing 15 pounds of beef and more than
five pounds of toppings.
Uniontown resident Brad Sciullo said he actually "trained" in order to consume
the $50 Beer Barrel Belly Buster in record time at Denny's Beer Barrel Pub in
Clearfield, Pa., the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review said Friday.
"I'm all trained up, I'm real hungry and I got to do something," the
competitive eater said before Monday's over-sized meal.
Sciullo said in order to set a record time for eating the mammoth meal, he had
to not only down the base burger but also consume a cup each of ketchup,
mayonnaise, mustard and relish.
When the smoke cleared and the crumbs were wiped away, Sciullo beat the
eatery's previous record time by 21 minutes with a final time of four hours and
39 minutes.
The Tribune-Review said Sciullo won $400, three T-shirts and a certificate.

pic of dood and burger he ate...

http://www.dennysbeerbarrelpub.com/


EDIT: A moment of silence pls in memory of...

LOS ANGELES, Oct. 17 (UPI) -- Carmen Rocha, who has been credited with
introducing Los Angeles to nachos, has died in the California city at the age
of 77, actor Jack Nicholson says.
"The Shining" star confirmed that Rocha, who worked at the El Cholo Mexican
restaurant frequented by Nicholson, died of cancer this month, the Los Angeles
Times said Friday.
"Carmen was wonderful, to me and to everybody," Nicholson said of Rocha, who
died on Oct. 9.
"It's a community loss," the actor added.
Author Merrill Shindler credited Rocha as the first person to introduce nachos
in Los Angeles after she started working at the eatery in 1959.