FB: Liberty League

[labart96]

By 30?  C'mon Counselor - TGP objects!

WPI's Wells was averaging nearly 200 yds/passing a game and Hobart shut him down.  Although He finished with 155, but about 100 of those came on 2 drives in the 4th quarter with Hobart already up by 24.

Robertson is obviously better than Wells, but need TGP remind you again that Hobart's secondary is one of the best in the nation?

The chink in Hobart's defensive armor this season has been the rush defense (turnovers and missed FG's aside, the real reason Union won vs. Bart was the career-high 243 yards rushing from Coney - the sixth highest total in Union history - ie, a potentially once in a career day) and in the past two weeks Hobart has held their opponents to an average of 55 yards/game rushing.

TGP isn't saying Robertson won't get his yards and score some TD's, but TGP would be surprised if this RPI team rolls.  That's not saying Hobart won't lose - but if they did TGP would see it in the 7-10 pt range like Stim predicted.

[JT]

Yack... you know Pat created a whole board for political discussion... it doesn't shut down after the election.

I heard RPI is playing Hobart this week in a game with playoff implications, and it is also senior day, and it's the last game on a field that's been in use since 1912.

Just a rumor... can't confirm anything.

'gro u have any eligibility left? can u strap on the pads 1 last time if called upon by king?

Nah gro was a 5th year senior thanks to a broken ankle back in the 1st campaign.  Gridiron glory can only be relived through sleepy time.

Is it in HD?

[JT]

god how do u get out of bed in the morning? talk about being depressed. you know all this of fact and yet the guy was elected 2 days ago and hasnt proposed anything yet? its a big world we live on ....tahitia and fiji are nice places to live if you dont like it here....give the guy a chance before crucifying him. bushie wanted to be known as the compassionate conservative and environmental president, you saw how close he came to that and will go down as 1 of the worst presidents of all time and lowest approval rating ever. so just obama time before jumping on rush limbaughs bandwagon.

Actually Rush is looking at this as a positive in that the GOP will actually get the reform it needs. Moderates like Ford and McCain don't win elections.

Truman left office with about the same approval rating as Bush 24-25%.  Truman is now well regarded as one of our better Presidents. While JT is no fan of Bush, one has to remember that we were attacked and he had to fight a war on terror.  He also had to turn the economy around after the dotcom bubble/Clinton recession began.  For about 6.5 years we had a good economy and the lowest unemployment in decades.  Recessions are part of a market economy made worse by Fannie and Freddie.

Agree or disagree on Iraq it is gift wrapped win for Obama if Obama wants to win it.  This gives us an ally in the Middle East, and will help us keep tabs on terrorist activities going forward. And it will help keep Iran behaving.

Then Obama needs to be patient with Afghanistan.  It takes time, planning, and effort to win just like in Iraq.  Can't cut and run.

I don't think Bush will be remembered badly.  We can't play out the next 50 years in 5 minutes, but some of the similar things Truman did that made him look bad, make Truman look great now.  Obama will have a lot to do with Bush's legacy as Obama works towards his own legacy.  By helping finish Bush's work, Obama aids his own legacy.

[Frank Rossi]

By 30?  C'mon Counselor - TGP objects!

WPI's Wells was averaging nearly 200 yds/passing a game and Hobart shut him down.  Although He finished with 155, but about 100 of those came on 2 drives in the 4th quarter with Hobart already up by 24.

Robertson is obviously better than Wells, but need TGP remind you again that Hobart's secondary is one of the best in the nation?

The chink in Hobart's defensive armor this season has been the rush defense (turnovers and missed FG's aside, the real reason Union won vs. Bart was the career-high 243 yards rushing from Coney - the sixth highest total in Union history - ie, a potentially once in a career day) and in the past two weeks Hobart has held their opponents to an average of 55 yards/game rushing.

TGP isn't saying Robertson won't get his yards and score some TD's, but TGP would be surprised if this RPI team rolls.  That's not saying Hobart won't lose - but if they did TGP would see it in the 7-10 pt range like Stim predicted.

Wells' biggest strength this season has been his feet, not his arm.  And as for the last two weeks -- MMA had no offense against HOB, much like the last four MMA games this season.  So I can't give you much credit there.  Your average over two games gets skewed by the MMA game -- but you're making my point for me.  HOB has a defense geared toward beating a RUSH/BALANCED offense this season.  When there's almost no rushing from RPI, we'll see how they can perform against the spread.

[unionfan]

Ive only seen RPI from a few clips but don't they run the spread?  Thats a triple option offense that basically takes what the defense gives you.  Not always as simple as saying "RPI doesnt have a good running game/passing game".  That also makes it harder to say what player is better than another if youve only seen them once or twice.

They run a pure, pass-oriented spread, not a spread option.  Their running game is not particularly productive, but doesn't have to be--it's more of a "keep them honest" objective, which it's generally good enough to achieve.

I agree with Frank that a LB-dominant defense like Hobart's will have real issues with RPI.  The guys that matter are the (ideally 5) dbacks that must cover a lot of vertical routes and the (ideally 3) lineman who need to get pressure without blitzing.

[union89]

Hobart needs to coordinate some creative blitz packages from the LB corps.  RPI only runs the ball to keep an offense honest....'Bart will be able to commit a LB to blitzing on almost every play.  How these blitz packages work and how well RPI picks them up will be very telling in the outcome of this game.  Hobart has a strong secondary which should be able to contain RPI's wideouts, to a degree, as long Robertson doesn't get too comfortable in the pocket.  I have a feeling that 'Bart's db's will also be very physical at the line of scrimmage which will accentuate that rush.

I think Wells is a poor-mans Robertson....Wells threw the ball well against Union and was pretty much nonexistent vs. 'Bart.  I realize these are different offenses, but with the lack of an RPI running game, 'Bart can commit the LB position to pressuring Robertson which I think will be successful to a degree and keep the game close....we will see a different mentality to Hobart's defense on Saturday.....

Again, RPI by 4 in a very physical game.

[stimulator]

Again predict a 7-10 pt Engineer win.. having said that if you were to dial up a defense personnel-wise to stop RPI it would be:

Strong DT to collapse the pocket up the middle

Physical corners with size to combat the WR's at the point of release

Fast DE's to get to the bubble screen and chase down Robertson on the scramble

OLB's that can cover which might allow you to spy Robertson with an athletic MLB

S's that tackle in the open field.


Hobart has some of these personnel but the Key will be the DE's and OLB's

Hager is the real deal and no doubt he will be all over the field. If Aruck can be really disruptive up the middle and the DE's/OLB's pursue the short passing game and keep Robertson's running between the hashes it will be interesting.

In fact Stim thinks this is what will happen to an extent.  However believe there will be the eventual big play for RPI (ala Savasli Union) and a strong showing from the RPI D to keep Hobart from putting up > 17-20 points.  Hobart scores more than 17 it could get very interesting.

['gro]

RPI needs to get in the endzone early, no more +/- 3 point halftimes.  Get'em on the ropes and make them go in the locker room worried. Then slap them around some more... rinse, repeat.

RPI 34
Hobart 21
(34-7 at the start of the 4th)

[dlippiel]

god how do u get out of bed in the morning? talk about being depressed. you know all this of fact and yet the guy was elected 2 days ago and hasnt proposed anything yet? its a big world we live on ....tahitia and fiji are nice places to live if you dont like it here....give the guy a chance before crucifying him. bushie wanted to be known as the compassionate conservative and environmental president, you saw how close he came to that and will go down as 1 of the worst presidents of all time and lowest approval rating ever. so just obama time before jumping on rush limbaughs bandwagon.

Actually Rush is looking at this as a positive in that the GOP will actually get the reform it needs. Moderates like Ford and McCain don't win elections.

Truman left office with about the same approval rating as Bush 24-25%.  Truman is now well regarded as one of our better Presidents. While JT is no fan of Bush, one has to remember that we were attacked and he had to fight a war on terror.  He also had to turn the economy around after the dotcom bubble/Clinton recession began.  For about 6.5 years we had a good economy and the lowest unemployment in decades.  Recessions are part of a market economy made worse by Fannie and Freddie.

Agree or disagree on Iraq it is gift wrapped win for Obama if Obama wants to win it.  This gives us an ally in the Middle East, and will help us keep tabs on terrorist activities going forward. And it will help keep Iran behaving.

Then Obama needs to be patient with Afghanistan.  It takes time, planning, and effort to win just like in Iraq.  Can't cut and run.

I don't think Bush will be remembered badly.  We can't play out the next 50 years in 5 minutes, but some of the similar things Truman did that made him look bad, make Truman look great now.  Obama will have a lot to do with Bush's legacy as Obama works towards his own legacy.  By helping finish Bush's work, Obama aids his own legacy.

JT you are the man but I disagree. I think Bush will be remembered as the worst pres ever.

[Pat Coleman]

Last chance here, folks, to take the politics discussions where they belong.

['gro]

**BREAKING NEWS**
Gro was on the phone with mama Gro the other day... she has a friend with a son who plays for RPI.  Said friend was at the Union game and sat near a loud Union fan with a cowbell.  Cowbell lady was identified as none other than Mrs. Audino.

MamaGro didn't know if cowbell-lady and dying-wildabeast-screaming-lady were one in the same, but it doesn't matter...


_{Mrs. Audino, for your unprovoked attack
on the ears of RPI fans, you are now the
WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD}

[lewdogg11]

Last chance here, folks, to take the politics discussions where they belong.

FOOTBALL
FOOTBALL
RPI
HOBART
FOOTBALL
FOOTBALL
RPI
HOBART
86 FIELD
RAH RAH
FRANK CHEERLEADER
RPI
HOBART
FOOTBALL
RAH

phew, almost got locked out!!!

[JT]

Last chance here, folks, to take the politics discussions where they belong.

Agreed.  JT was expressing that history judges Presidents differently then how Presidents are viewed at the time they leave office.

Some that were viewed as mediocre or bad, but get good ratings from historians now:

John Adams
Andrew Jackson
Harry Truman
Dwight Eisenhower
Gerry Ford

JT's not being political.  He's just saying that it its the hardest job in the world, and that we don't appreciate the people that do the job until time has passed.  It is easy to say that Bush was awful now.  How history rates him is yet to be determined. 

[union89]

Last chance here, folks, to take the politics discussions where they belong.

FOOTBALL
FOOTBALL
RPI
HOBART
FOOTBALL
FOOTBALL
RPI
HOBART
86 FIELD
RAH RAH
FRANK CHEERLEADER
RPI
HOBART
FOOTBALL
RAH

phew, almost got locked out!!!

FROZEN CAT TURD BOWL
RAH....RAH

[PBR...]

forgive pbr's lack of knowledge...but what are the plans for the '86 field after this season? besides letting cows eat/pee/poop on it....