FB: Liberty League

[PBR...]

Happy 233 Birthday to the Marines:

Semper Fi !

indeed...pbr's friend is in the 2nd battalion/7th marines in camp now zad (this camps location is classified) way out by themselves engaging the taliban daily. he disarms bombs and i.e.d.'s on top of daily patrols and firefights....dont know whether anyone saw ollie north was embedded w/ his patrol on a foxnews special last weekend. a massive firefight broke out and they were going door to door in this village taking down the taliban among civilians. 19 taliban killed no marine casualties, crazy watching that. he told his father that it was by far the most scared he has ever been, even more than disarming a bomb during a firefight. kicking down doors and not knowing what was behind every door and bullets whizzing by your head he said it took him 24 hours to bring his adrenaline down.  

[dlippiel]

Yes Curry has more NCAA appearances than Union in the last 15 years, most have probably come since the AQ.  If Curry had to play in the LL they might not have any NCAA appearances.  Union may have less NCAA appearances recently than Curry, but they are more impressive accomplishments.

Agreed.....Reno, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here.  Winning the NEFC is not the same as winning the LL.

Well leave appearances out of the discussion then. Each has won 1 NCAA Playoff game in the past 15 seasons. Curry's more recently.

It would be a great game to play, especially in an ECAC Championship Game.

I've seen Curry play. If they were in the LL it would become a 4 team race every year. They are better than Rochester. They are just as good (year in and year out) as RPI, Hobart and Union (the 3 teams the LL comes down to 9 out of 10 years!).

And disregard who Union would be playing. You want your team in the postseason. It would have to help recruiting to say they have been to the postseason 4 consecutive years, that an entire class just came through the program without having missed out on the postseason.

I don't know about it being a 4 team race every year. I disagree, Rochester would be wearing the NEFC banner most years and I just don't think Curry is at Bart, Union (most years), and RPI's level. Not to say they could not give each of these teams a game because I feel they could. Year in and year out though Curry would almost never, yes almost never, win the LL. I don't remember who it was who referred to this earlier but the U is definitely not at the level they were years ago. This program is just not an eastern power anymore, at least on the level they used to be. I sometimes have to remember this when assessing the Dutchmen's play and/or record. I wonder what has happened for this program to not be where it once was? Any thoughts? I know how the administration can be towards any sport that rivals the academic reputation of the school as well as the history of it's disfunction working wotih coaches and sport teams. Many of us remember the Harkness days when the admin was a compelte embarassment and more stuck up on itself than Bamboo up a monkey's ass!

[Reno Hightower]

Yes Curry has more NCAA appearances than Union in the last 15 years, most have probably come since the AQ.  If Curry had to play in the LL they might not have any NCAA appearances.  Union may have less NCAA appearances recently than Curry, but they are more impressive accomplishments.

Agreed.....Reno, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here.  Winning the NEFC is not the same as winning the LL.

Well leave appearances out of the discussion then. Each has won 1 NCAA Playoff game in the past 15 seasons. Curry's more recently.

It would be a great game to play, especially in an ECAC Championship Game.

I've seen Curry play. If they were in the LL it would become a 4 team race every year. They are better than Rochester. They are just as good (year in and year out) as RPI, Hobart and Union (the 3 teams the LL comes down to 9 out of 10 years!).

And disregard who Union would be playing. You want your team in the postseason. It would have to help recruiting to say they have been to the postseason 4 consecutive years, that an entire class just came through the program without having missed out on the postseason.

I don't know about it being a 4 team race every year. I disagree, Rochester would be wearing the NEFC banner most years and I just don't think Curry is at Bart, Union (most years), and RPI's level. Not to say they could not give each of these teams a game because I feel they could. Year in and year out though Curry would almost never, yes almost never, win the LL. I don't remember who it was who referred to this earlier but the U is definitely not at the level they were years ago. This program is just not an eastern power anymore, at least on the level they used to be. I sometimes have to remember this when assessing the Dutchmen's play and/or record. I wonder what has happened for this program to not be where it once was? Any thoughts? I know how the administration can be towards any sport that rivals the academic reputation of the school as well as the history of it's disfunction working wotih coaches and sport teams. Many of us remember the Harkness days when the admin was a compelte embarassment and more stuck up on itself than Bamboo up a monkey's ass!

Curry is better than Rochester

['gro]

dem spicy boyz should join the E8.

[dlippiel]

Yes Curry has more NCAA appearances than Union in the last 15 years, most have probably come since the AQ.  If Curry had to play in the LL they might not have any NCAA appearances.  Union may have less NCAA appearances recently than Curry, but they are more impressive accomplishments.

Agreed.....Reno, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here.  Winning the NEFC is not the same as winning the LL.

Well leave appearances out of the discussion then. Each has won 1 NCAA Playoff game in the past 15 seasons. Curry's more recently.

It would be a great game to play, especially in an ECAC Championship Game.

I've seen Curry play. If they were in the LL it would become a 4 team race every year. They are better than Rochester. They are just as good (year in and year out) as RPI, Hobart and Union (the 3 teams the LL comes down to 9 out of 10 years!).

And disregard who Union would be playing. You want your team in the postseason. It would have to help recruiting to say they have been to the postseason 4 consecutive years, that an entire class just came through the program without having missed out on the postseason.

I don't know about it being a 4 team race every year. I disagree, Rochester would be wearing the NEFC banner most years and I just don't think Curry is at Bart, Union (most years), and RPI's level. Not to say they could not give each of these teams a game because I feel they could. Year in and year out though Curry would almost never, yes almost never, win the LL. I don't remember who it was who referred to this earlier but the U is definitely not at the level they were years ago. This program is just not an eastern power anymore, at least on the level they used to be. I sometimes have to remember this when assessing the Dutchmen's play and/or record. I wonder what has happened for this program to not be where it once was? Any thoughts? I know how the administration can be towards any sport that rivals the academic reputation of the school as well as the history of it's disfunction working wotih coaches and sport teams. Many of us remember the Harkness days when the admin was a compelte embarassment and more stuck up on itself than Bamboo up a monkey's ass!

Curry is better than Rochester

I don't see Rochester losing to Plymouth St.

[labart96]

TGP listening to the ITH archive (since TGP missed the first half of the show).

TGP is thinking RT needs to replace the "Rudy" tune-age and only play this from now on:

[Reno Hightower]

Yes Curry has more NCAA appearances than Union in the last 15 years, most have probably come since the AQ.  If Curry had to play in the LL they might not have any NCAA appearances.  Union may have less NCAA appearances recently than Curry, but they are more impressive accomplishments.

Agreed.....Reno, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here.  Winning the NEFC is not the same as winning the LL.

Well leave appearances out of the discussion then. Each has won 1 NCAA Playoff game in the past 15 seasons. Curry's more recently.

It would be a great game to play, especially in an ECAC Championship Game.

I've seen Curry play. If they were in the LL it would become a 4 team race every year. They are better than Rochester. They are just as good (year in and year out) as RPI, Hobart and Union (the 3 teams the LL comes down to 9 out of 10 years!).

And disregard who Union would be playing. You want your team in the postseason. It would have to help recruiting to say they have been to the postseason 4 consecutive years, that an entire class just came through the program without having missed out on the postseason.

I don't know about it being a 4 team race every year. I disagree, Rochester would be wearing the NEFC banner most years and I just don't think Curry is at Bart, Union (most years), and RPI's level. Not to say they could not give each of these teams a game because I feel they could. Year in and year out though Curry would almost never, yes almost never, win the LL. I don't remember who it was who referred to this earlier but the U is definitely not at the level they were years ago. This program is just not an eastern power anymore, at least on the level they used to be. I sometimes have to remember this when assessing the Dutchmen's play and/or record. I wonder what has happened for this program to not be where it once was? Any thoughts? I know how the administration can be towards any sport that rivals the academic reputation of the school as well as the history of it's disfunction working wotih coaches and sport teams. Many of us remember the Harkness days when the admin was a compelte embarassment and more stuck up on itself than Bamboo up a monkey's ass!

Curry is better than Rochester

I don't see Rochester losing to Plymouth St.

1 Game, anything can happen in 1 game. They beat Plymouth so bad in 07 that the starters were out at halftime. Im sure the players thought the game was a gimme.

[Jonny Utah]

It's amazing what a ten-minute conversation can do regarding your perception of things...

I spoke with Dick Kaiser, the Division III Committee Chair, earlier this morning to schedule him to appear on "In the HuddLLe" this Sunday night at 7:50pm EST.  He accepted the invitation and will discuss the East Region's bracket and the discussion regarding the selection/seeding of Liberty League teams in the NCAA Playoffs that will occur Saturday night.

Mr. Kaiser was very forthcoming during our brief discussion, as we were joking about the task that lays ahead for the Committee -- no doubt, with 13 one-loss teams not leading in their conferences, the Committee's task is daunting with just six Pool C bids.  I learned a lot, and I thought I'd share some of the ideas he presented to me today:

- When I brought up Husson, his reaction was, "Well, they're a two-loss team."  He went on to discuss that the Committee cannot simply stop at Primary Criteria in general when deciding teams for the Football Championships because there are simply not enough games played to allow such a low number of statistics to control the selection.  Stated differently, Secondary Criteria are going to apply just as much and as quickly as Primary Criteria.  In a sport like basketball, in which 30+ games are generally played, the Primary Criteria/Secondary Criteria hierarchy can work.  However, in football, his belief is that they need to enter into a full discussion immediately, even weighing criteria like scores and some subjective standards when looking at Pool B and Pool C teams.  This would explain the treatment of Husson and SJF in the Regional Rankings thus far.

- At the same time, we talked a bit about strength of schedule issues.  He was pretty blunt during this discussion, in terms of stating that strength of schedule -- not just the numbers, but the subjective review of a team's schedule -- is crucial in this process.  Paraphrasing his comments accurately, his reaction was that if a team plays a soft out-of-conference schedule, they're not going to experience an easy selection process.  My point in bringing this up is that we should not underestimate the objective and subjective review of a team's out-of-conference schedule at this point when we consider these issues.

There will be a lot more discussion of this on Sunday night, but I walk away from my brief conversation with Mr. Kaiser feeling that he is truly on top of the situation (he spit out a good number of stats about the number of teams in line for consideration and the task the Committee faces) and wants to give fair treatment to these teams both objectively and subjectively (since the objective numbers are not comprehensive enough to allow for full faith and credit with just 7-10 regional games played).

Nice work Frank.  I always thought there was more subjective analysis of this whole thing than people were telling me.  I always thought that was why the word "reviewed" was used for the criteria selection.

So this could also mean an 8-2 Ithaca (with a close OT loss to Cortland) could still get in over a 8-1 RPI?  I wouldn't argue either way, but I could see both happening.

And if Ithaca blows out Cortland, why not take 8-1 RPI over 9-1 Montclair?

[Jonny Utah]

Yes Curry has more NCAA appearances than Union in the last 15 years, most have probably come since the AQ.  If Curry had to play in the LL they might not have any NCAA appearances.  Union may have less NCAA appearances recently than Curry, but they are more impressive accomplishments.

Agreed.....Reno, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here.  Winning the NEFC is not the same as winning the LL.

Well leave appearances out of the discussion then. Each has won 1 NCAA Playoff game in the past 15 seasons. Curry's more recently.

It would be a great game to play, especially in an ECAC Championship Game.

I've seen Curry play. If they were in the LL it would become a 4 team race every year. They are better than Rochester. They are just as good (year in and year out) as RPI, Hobart and Union (the 3 teams the LL comes down to 9 out of 10 years!).

And disregard who Union would be playing. You want your team in the postseason. It would have to help recruiting to say they have been to the postseason 4 consecutive years, that an entire class just came through the program without having missed out on the postseason.

I don't know about it being a 4 team race every year. I disagree, Rochester would be wearing the NEFC banner most years and I just don't think Curry is at Bart, Union (most years), and RPI's level. Not to say they could not give each of these teams a game because I feel they could. Year in and year out though Curry would almost never, yes almost never, win the LL. I don't remember who it was who referred to this earlier but the U is definitely not at the level they were years ago. This program is just not an eastern power anymore, at least on the level they used to be. I sometimes have to remember this when assessing the Dutchmen's play and/or record. I wonder what has happened for this program to not be where it once was? Any thoughts? I know how the administration can be towards any sport that rivals the academic reputation of the school as well as the history of it's disfunction working wotih coaches and sport teams. Many of us remember the Harkness days when the admin was a compelte embarassment and more stuck up on itself than Bamboo up a monkey's ass!

Curry is better than Rochester

I don't see Rochester losing to Plymouth St.

1 Game, anything can happen in 1 game. They beat Plymouth so bad in 07 that the starters were out at halftime. Im sure the players thought the game was a gimme.

Reno the only negative I see about Curry though is their offensive speed and slow unathletic line.  I think a Union defense might be able to contain Curry offensevly.  Curry can push around the NEFC teams, but I would think Union would have some 250 pound (weight)/ 400 pound (bench) linemen that could stop Curry in the trenches.

I would predict a 21-6 Union win if the two teams played. (I haven't seen Union play)

[Reno Hightower]

Yes Curry has more NCAA appearances than Union in the last 15 years, most have probably come since the AQ.  If Curry had to play in the LL they might not have any NCAA appearances.  Union may have less NCAA appearances recently than Curry, but they are more impressive accomplishments.

Agreed.....Reno, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here.  Winning the NEFC is not the same as winning the LL.

Well leave appearances out of the discussion then. Each has won 1 NCAA Playoff game in the past 15 seasons. Curry's more recently.

It would be a great game to play, especially in an ECAC Championship Game.

I've seen Curry play. If they were in the LL it would become a 4 team race every year. They are better than Rochester. They are just as good (year in and year out) as RPI, Hobart and Union (the 3 teams the LL comes down to 9 out of 10 years!).

And disregard who Union would be playing. You want your team in the postseason. It would have to help recruiting to say they have been to the postseason 4 consecutive years, that an entire class just came through the program without having missed out on the postseason.

I don't know about it being a 4 team race every year. I disagree, Rochester would be wearing the NEFC banner most years and I just don't think Curry is at Bart, Union (most years), and RPI's level. Not to say they could not give each of these teams a game because I feel they could. Year in and year out though Curry would almost never, yes almost never, win the LL. I don't remember who it was who referred to this earlier but the U is definitely not at the level they were years ago. This program is just not an eastern power anymore, at least on the level they used to be. I sometimes have to remember this when assessing the Dutchmen's play and/or record. I wonder what has happened for this program to not be where it once was? Any thoughts? I know how the administration can be towards any sport that rivals the academic reputation of the school as well as the history of it's disfunction working wotih coaches and sport teams. Many of us remember the Harkness days when the admin was a compelte embarassment and more stuck up on itself than Bamboo up a monkey's ass!

Curry is better than Rochester

I don't see Rochester losing to Plymouth St.

1 Game, anything can happen in 1 game. They beat Plymouth so bad in 07 that the starters were out at halftime. Im sure the players thought the game was a gimme.

Reno the only negative I see about Curry though is their offensive speed and slow unathletic line.  I think a Union defense might be able to contain Curry offensevly.  Curry can push around the NEFC teams, but I would think Union would have some 250 pound (weight)/ 400 pound (bench) linemen that could stop Curry in the trenches.

I would predict a 21-6 Union win if the two teams played. (I haven't seen Union play)

Im not saying Union would lose. a few points here:
1. 21-6 isnt a butt whipping.
2. I dont know how many 400lb bench press kids Union has anymore (I dont see the same size linemen I used to)

My point with U89 is that he thinks the game is a slap in the face to Union. Im trying to explain to him that you cant think of Union like you did 10 years ago, the program is not the same. Playing Curry in the ECAC would be a really good thing.

[dlippiel]

It's amazing what a ten-minute conversation can do regarding your perception of things...

I spoke with Dick Kaiser, the Division III Committee Chair, earlier this morning to schedule him to appear on "In the HuddLLe" this Sunday night at 7:50pm EST.  He accepted the invitation and will discuss the East Region's bracket and the discussion regarding the selection/seeding of Liberty League teams in the NCAA Playoffs that will occur Saturday night.

Mr. Kaiser was very forthcoming during our brief discussion, as we were joking about the task that lays ahead for the Committee -- no doubt, with 13 one-loss teams not leading in their conferences, the Committee's task is daunting with just six Pool C bids.  I learned a lot, and I thought I'd share some of the ideas he presented to me today:

- When I brought up Husson, his reaction was, "Well, they're a two-loss team."  He went on to discuss that the Committee cannot simply stop at Primary Criteria in general when deciding teams for the Football Championships because there are simply not enough games played to allow such a low number of statistics to control the selection.  Stated differently, Secondary Criteria are going to apply just as much and as quickly as Primary Criteria.  In a sport like basketball, in which 30+ games are generally played, the Primary Criteria/Secondary Criteria hierarchy can work.  However, in football, his belief is that they need to enter into a full discussion immediately, even weighing criteria like scores and some subjective standards when looking at Pool B and Pool C teams.  This would explain the treatment of Husson and SJF in the Regional Rankings thus far.

- At the same time, we talked a bit about strength of schedule issues.  He was pretty blunt during this discussion, in terms of stating that strength of schedule -- not just the numbers, but the subjective review of a team's schedule -- is crucial in this process.  Paraphrasing his comments accurately, his reaction was that if a team plays a soft out-of-conference schedule, they're not going to experience an easy selection process.  My point in bringing this up is that we should not underestimate the objective and subjective review of a team's out-of-conference schedule at this point when we consider these issues.

There will be a lot more discussion of this on Sunday night, but I walk away from my brief conversation with Mr. Kaiser feeling that he is truly on top of the situation (he spit out a good number of stats about the number of teams in line for consideration and the task the Committee faces) and wants to give fair treatment to these teams both objectively and subjectively (since the objective numbers are not comprehensive enough to allow for full faith and credit with just 7-10 regional games played).

Nice work Frank.  I always thought there was more subjective analysis of this whole thing than people were telling me.  I always thought that was why the word "reviewed" was used for the criteria selection.

So this could also mean an 8-2 Ithaca (with a close OT loss to Cortland) could still get in over a 8-1 RPI?  I wouldn't argue either way, but I could see both happening.

And if Ithaca blows out Cortland, why not take 8-1 RPI over 9-1 Montclair?

I don't take RPI over Montclair because I feel Wilkes and Morrisville is tougher OOC scheduling (granted not by a ton) and Montclair played Cortland very tough on the road, had a solid win over Rowan (what the hell has happened to them over the past few years), and a win over a decent Kean squad (if they win). I think this is where your Endicott and Utica bites you in the ass! Tough call though because I think RPI would play Montclair very well in a head to head, but again, looking at SOS I go with Montclair. Maybe it's wrong. Also I think Union takes Curry this year with Connelly and a strong U Defense. I do think Curry would definitely have a shot though and would like to see the game. It could be a game that could take the NEFC out of my weak weak conference list. To me, a 8-1 Curry win over a 500 U would still be impressive.

[Reno Hightower]

It's amazing what a ten-minute conversation can do regarding your perception of things...

I spoke with Dick Kaiser, the Division III Committee Chair, earlier this morning to schedule him to appear on "In the HuddLLe" this Sunday night at 7:50pm EST.  He accepted the invitation and will discuss the East Region's bracket and the discussion regarding the selection/seeding of Liberty League teams in the NCAA Playoffs that will occur Saturday night.

Mr. Kaiser was very forthcoming during our brief discussion, as we were joking about the task that lays ahead for the Committee -- no doubt, with 13 one-loss teams not leading in their conferences, the Committee's task is daunting with just six Pool C bids.  I learned a lot, and I thought I'd share some of the ideas he presented to me today:

- When I brought up Husson, his reaction was, "Well, they're a two-loss team."  He went on to discuss that the Committee cannot simply stop at Primary Criteria in general when deciding teams for the Football Championships because there are simply not enough games played to allow such a low number of statistics to control the selection.  Stated differently, Secondary Criteria are going to apply just as much and as quickly as Primary Criteria.  In a sport like basketball, in which 30+ games are generally played, the Primary Criteria/Secondary Criteria hierarchy can work.  However, in football, his belief is that they need to enter into a full discussion immediately, even weighing criteria like scores and some subjective standards when looking at Pool B and Pool C teams.  This would explain the treatment of Husson and SJF in the Regional Rankings thus far.

- At the same time, we talked a bit about strength of schedule issues.  He was pretty blunt during this discussion, in terms of stating that strength of schedule -- not just the numbers, but the subjective review of a team's schedule -- is crucial in this process.  Paraphrasing his comments accurately, his reaction was that if a team plays a soft out-of-conference schedule, they're not going to experience an easy selection process.  My point in bringing this up is that we should not underestimate the objective and subjective review of a team's out-of-conference schedule at this point when we consider these issues.

There will be a lot more discussion of this on Sunday night, but I walk away from my brief conversation with Mr. Kaiser feeling that he is truly on top of the situation (he spit out a good number of stats about the number of teams in line for consideration and the task the Committee faces) and wants to give fair treatment to these teams both objectively and subjectively (since the objective numbers are not comprehensive enough to allow for full faith and credit with just 7-10 regional games played).

Nice work Frank.  I always thought there was more subjective analysis of this whole thing than people were telling me.  I always thought that was why the word "reviewed" was used for the criteria selection.

So this could also mean an 8-2 Ithaca (with a close OT loss to Cortland) could still get in over a 8-1 RPI?  I wouldn't argue either way, but I could see both happening.

And if Ithaca blows out Cortland, why not take 8-1 RPI over 9-1 Montclair?

I don't take RPI over Montclair because I feel Wilkes and Morrisville is tougher OOC scheduling (granted not by a ton) and Montclair played Cortland very tough on the road, had a solid win over Rowan (what the hell has happened to them over the past few years), and a win over a decent Kean squad (if they win). I think this is where your Endicott and Utica bites you in the ass! Tough call though because I think RPI would play Montclair very well in a head to head, but again, looking at SOS I go with Montclair. Maybe it's wrong. Also I think Union takes Curry this year with Connelly and a strong U Defense. I do think Curry would definitely have a shot though and would like to see the game. It could be a game that could take the NEFC out of my weak weak conference list. To me, a 8-1 Curry win over a 500 U would still be impressive.

Ya, that scheduling for RPI is killing them and the LL right now. I mean I hope it works out for them because having 2 teams in again would be good for the league. But say Ithaca and Montclair both lose.....why would you take an 8-1 RPI over an 8-2 Ithaca or Montclair?

The NEFC is a weak conference. No doubt about that! But Curry is a strong team. As Ive said, they have as many NCAA Playoff wins in the last 15 years as Union does. It would be a good match up. And yes, I would expect Union to win. Of course, I am biased!!!!!!

[dlippiel]

Yes Curry has more NCAA appearances than Union in the last 15 years, most have probably come since the AQ.  If Curry had to play in the LL they might not have any NCAA appearances.  Union may have less NCAA appearances recently than Curry, but they are more impressive accomplishments.

Agreed.....Reno, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here.  Winning the NEFC is not the same as winning the LL.

Well leave appearances out of the discussion then. Each has won 1 NCAA Playoff game in the past 15 seasons. Curry's more recently.

It would be a great game to play, especially in an ECAC Championship Game.

I've seen Curry play. If they were in the LL it would become a 4 team race every year. They are better than Rochester. They are just as good (year in and year out) as RPI, Hobart and Union (the 3 teams the LL comes down to 9 out of 10 years!).

And disregard who Union would be playing. You want your team in the postseason. It would have to help recruiting to say they have been to the postseason 4 consecutive years, that an entire class just came through the program without having missed out on the postseason.

I don't know about it being a 4 team race every year. I disagree, Rochester would be wearing the NEFC banner most years and I just don't think Curry is at Bart, Union (most years), and RPI's level. Not to say they could not give each of these teams a game because I feel they could. Year in and year out though Curry would almost never, yes almost never, win the LL. I don't remember who it was who referred to this earlier but the U is definitely not at the level they were years ago. This program is just not an eastern power anymore, at least on the level they used to be. I sometimes have to remember this when assessing the Dutchmen's play and/or record. I wonder what has happened for this program to not be where it once was? Any thoughts? I know how the administration can be towards any sport that rivals the academic reputation of the school as well as the history of it's disfunction working wotih coaches and sport teams. Many of us remember the Harkness days when the admin was a compelte embarassment and more stuck up on itself than Bamboo up a monkey's ass!

Curry is better than Rochester

I don't see Rochester losing to Plymouth St.

1 Game, anything can happen in 1 game. They beat Plymouth so bad in 07 that the starters were out at halftime. Im sure the players thought the game was a gimme.

Reno the only negative I see about Curry though is their offensive speed and slow unathletic line.  I think a Union defense might be able to contain Curry offensevly.  Curry can push around the NEFC teams, but I would think Union would have some 250 pound (weight)/ 400 pound (bench) linemen that could stop Curry in the trenches.

I would predict a 21-6 Union win if the two teams played. (I haven't seen Union play)

Im not saying Union would lose. a few points here:
1. 21-6 isnt a butt whipping.
2. I dont know how many 400lb bench press kids Union has anymore (I dont see the same size linemen I used to)

My point with U89 is that he thinks the game is a slap in the face to Union. Im trying to explain to him that you cant think of Union like you did 10 years ago, the program is not the same. Playing Curry in the ECAC would be a really good thing.

I agree 100% Reno. I think maybe (just a guess cause I like U89) that u89 and some other U fans would be scared of losing this game. **** I would too! We have to start to accept the fact that the Dutch are not where they were. If we lost to Curry that would clearly prove it and I can understand how that woudl be scary. I mean it would suck. Yet to get back to where we want to be and should be again some day we need to play anyone and everyone that comes our way. We have not put ourselves in a position recently to stick our noses up at anyone. That is jsut a fact and until we start getting consistent and making the NCAA's each year then we will not return to our precious stature in the East and country as a hole. It is very hard for me to admit U is not what they used to be. I love that rep but we must earn it again because it has been to much time.

[pg04]

Morrisville is actually a conference game for Montclair.  The NJAC only has one OOC game and in this case it was Wilkes.  

[union89]

Yes Curry has more NCAA appearances than Union in the last 15 years, most have probably come since the AQ.  If Curry had to play in the LL they might not have any NCAA appearances.  Union may have less NCAA appearances recently than Curry, but they are more impressive accomplishments.

Agreed.....Reno, I don't think you're comparing apples to apples here.  Winning the NEFC is not the same as winning the LL.

Well leave appearances out of the discussion then. Each has won 1 NCAA Playoff game in the past 15 seasons. Curry's more recently.

It would be a great game to play, especially in an ECAC Championship Game.

I've seen Curry play. If they were in the LL it would become a 4 team race every year. They are better than Rochester. They are just as good (year in and year out) as RPI, Hobart and Union (the 3 teams the LL comes down to 9 out of 10 years!).

And disregard who Union would be playing. You want your team in the postseason. It would have to help recruiting to say they have been to the postseason 4 consecutive years, that an entire class just came through the program without having missed out on the postseason.

I don't know about it being a 4 team race every year. I disagree, Rochester would be wearing the NEFC banner most years and I just don't think Curry is at Bart, Union (most years), and RPI's level. Not to say they could not give each of these teams a game because I feel they could. Year in and year out though Curry would almost never, yes almost never, win the LL. I don't remember who it was who referred to this earlier but the U is definitely not at the level they were years ago. This program is just not an eastern power anymore, at least on the level they used to be. I sometimes have to remember this when assessing the Dutchmen's play and/or record. I wonder what has happened for this program to not be where it once was? Any thoughts? I know how the administration can be towards any sport that rivals the academic reputation of the school as well as the history of it's disfunction working wotih coaches and sport teams. Many of us remember the Harkness days when the admin was a compelte embarassment and more stuck up on itself than Bamboo up a monkey's ass!

Curry is better than Rochester

I don't see Rochester losing to Plymouth St.

1 Game, anything can happen in 1 game. They beat Plymouth so bad in 07 that the starters were out at halftime. Im sure the players thought the game was a gimme.

Reno the only negative I see about Curry though is their offensive speed and slow unathletic line.  I think a Union defense might be able to contain Curry offensevly.  Curry can push around the NEFC teams, but I would think Union would have some 250 pound (weight)/ 400 pound (bench) linemen that could stop Curry in the trenches.

I would predict a 21-6 Union win if the two teams played. (I haven't seen Union play)

Im not saying Union would lose. a few points here:
1. 21-6 isnt a butt whipping.
2. I dont know how many 400lb bench press kids Union has anymore (I dont see the same size linemen I used to)

My point with U89 is that he thinks the game is a slap in the face to Union. Im trying to explain to him that you cant think of Union like you did 10 years ago, the program is not the same. Playing Curry in the ECAC would be a really good thing.

Again dude....where did I say that a Union/Curry ECAC game is a slap in the face to Union....cut that crap out....you are saying that, please post where I made these comments.