FB: Liberty League

[pumkinattack]

I'm just a little sensitive to the conference alignment issue b/c its having a big immpact on the lacrosse program at Bart being able to stay DI and maintain their long, long time rivalries with Cornell and SU.  In that case, Bart could get squeezed by the NCAA's who are really throwing historical relationships out the window completely and for the non-revenue generating DI sports that's a bad thing. 

Ithaca, Utica, AU and SJF are probably the only teams they could add for a 10th game at the moment and I'd love to have IC or AU back on the schedule (no slight to UC or SJF, but I played against the other two and like having those two on the schedule). 

HS Coach, that's a lot of good info.  I'm surprised by the DT's metrics.  I guess I just think of MUC as having 6'1 - 6'3 and 235 - 300 across the D line.  I'm sure they're still fast and disciplined, but this will be the first time the myth meets reality for me. 

Does Hobart really have a "long, long time" rivalry with Cornell and SU?  I don't think the ECAC matchups will hurt Hobart in the longrun in terms of NCAA seeding with d1 playoffs.  I think Hobart/Cornell and SU are just starting some good rivalries.  Its good to see the non-scholorship schools still doing pretty well in the d1 lax world.

JU,

  They've played Cornell 128 times and Cuse 94 times.  Its the ONLY reason Hobart is DI (has nothing to do with their DIII dominance at all despite what some people think).  Here's what Roy Simmons Jr. (former great coach of Cuse) said about Hobart:
Roy Simmons, Sr. ?
Well, he wasn't Senior then because he wasn't married. Dave Kraus was the hero of the Hobart team and Roy Simmons was the hero of the Syracuse team. And they played. Hobart is about 40 miles from Syracuse. And we both played Lacrosse. It's a natural rivalry. It's one of the oldest rivalries. I don't think we can beat Rutgers-Princeton or Yale-Harvard or anything. I think if you look back in the history of collegiate Lacrosse, Syracuse-Hobart goes back to probably 1916. If Syracuse played a Maryland or a Hopkins, and they sometimes did, it wasn't as big a game as Hobart and Syracuse. So Dave Kraus graduated from Hobart in 1925and joined the coaching staff. My father graduated from Syracuse in 1925 and joined the coaching staff. So Dave Kraus and Roy Simmons went at it for 45 years. My dad coached three sports: Football, Lacrosse and Boxing. The first game I can barely remember, I sat in my mother's lap in the stands at Boswell field at Hobart.

Then Cornell entered the picture. They are also upstate. We're in a little triangle here. I remember one year being so embarrassed. Cornell won division I, Hobart won division III and Syracuse just played the game. And we used to add it up, too. And we had an upstate champion. There was no league or any kind of credibility to it. It was bragging rights for upstate NY.

They won a lot of them because Syracuse wasn't strong for a while. Syracuse gained it's great strength in the late 70's and had some great teams. I remember walking off vanquished and nobody wanted to talk to me and walking by Guy Van Arsdale, a great goalie, great athlete, coach at RIT. Four time All-American at Hobart. And I hear him say, "This means everything. A national championship isn't as big as beating Syracuse!" And that lit me up. I thought, "Wow, I am a trophy." He's won three national titles in division III but feels hollow. Today, he feels like a champion. Just a mid-season game. Hobart beats Syracuse. Division III beat Division I. They played the likes of Alfred, Hartwick, Carson, and St. Lawrence. I was playing Hopkins, VA or whoever. I mean, "how dare they beat us!"

Dave [Krause] died some years ahead of my dad. My dad coached a few more years and then retired, and I took over the helm. And I'd go down to Geneva, NY to play Hobart and the newspapers always asked about the great Kraus-Simmons rivalry. And I said, "You know what? There should be tradition formed here." Mike Hanna and I created a trophy called the Kraus-Simmons trophy and it is in it's 11th or 12th year. It's passed back and forth. Now that Hobart's division I, it's lost some meaning but we drag the trophy into the locker room and the kids hold it up and cheer. I know the Simmons part and the Kraus family are in the stands. The kids haven't got any idea what's going on, but it's still a fun thing. It's important to me because I've been around a while. I used to sit on Babe's lap as a kid and my dad was with me until just a few years ago. To me it's something special.

[Findtheball]

 That's an awsome story.

[Frank Rossi]

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[mattvsmith]

Does Hobart really have a "long, long time" rivalry with Cornell and SU? 

Cornell: 126 times since 1898. 
Syracuse: 94 games since 1916.

[dlippiel]

I'm just a little sensitive to the conference alignment issue b/c its having a big immpact on the lacrosse program at Bart being able to stay DI and maintain their long, long time rivalries with Cornell and SU.  In that case, Bart could get squeezed by the NCAA's who are really throwing historical relationships out the window completely and for the non-revenue generating DI sports that's a bad thing. 

Ithaca, Utica, AU and SJF are probably the only teams they could add for a 10th game at the moment and I'd love to have IC or AU back on the schedule (no slight to UC or SJF, but I played against the other two and like having those two on the schedule). 

HS Coach, that's a lot of good info.  I'm surprised by the DT's metrics.  I guess I just think of MUC as having 6'1 - 6'3 and 235 - 300 across the D line.  I'm sure they're still fast and disciplined, but this will be the first time the myth meets reality for me. 

Does Hobart really have a "long, long time" rivalry with Cornell and SU?  I don't think the ECAC matchups will hurt Hobart in the longrun in terms of NCAA seeding with d1 playoffs.  I think Hobart/Cornell and SU are just starting some good rivalries.  Its good to see the non-scholorship schools still doing pretty well in the d1 lax world.

JU,

  They've played Cornell 128 times and Cuse 94 times.  Its the ONLY reason Hobart is DI (has nothing to do with their DIII dominance at all despite what some people think).  Here's what Roy Simmons Jr. (former great coach of Cuse) said about Hobart:
Roy Simmons, Sr. ?
Well, he wasn't Senior then because he wasn't married. Dave Kraus was the hero of the Hobart team and Roy Simmons was the hero of the Syracuse team. And they played. Hobart is about 40 miles from Syracuse. And we both played Lacrosse. It's a natural rivalry. It's one of the oldest rivalries. I don't think we can beat Rutgers-Princeton or Yale-Harvard or anything. I think if you look back in the history of collegiate Lacrosse, Syracuse-Hobart goes back to probably 1916. If Syracuse played a Maryland or a Hopkins, and they sometimes did, it wasn't as big a game as Hobart and Syracuse. So Dave Kraus graduated from Hobart in 1925and joined the coaching staff. My father graduated from Syracuse in 1925 and joined the coaching staff. So Dave Kraus and Roy Simmons went at it for 45 years. My dad coached three sports: Football, Lacrosse and Boxing. The first game I can barely remember, I sat in my mother's lap in the stands at Boswell field at Hobart.

Then Cornell entered the picture. They are also upstate. We're in a little triangle here. I remember one year being so embarrassed. Cornell won division I, Hobart won division III and Syracuse just played the game. And we used to add it up, too. And we had an upstate champion. There was no league or any kind of credibility to it. It was bragging rights for upstate NY.

They won a lot of them because Syracuse wasn't strong for a while. Syracuse gained it's great strength in the late 70's and had some great teams. I remember walking off vanquished and nobody wanted to talk to me and walking by Guy Van Arsdale, a great goalie, great athlete, coach at RIT. Four time All-American at Hobart. And I hear him say, "This means everything. A national championship isn't as big as beating Syracuse!" And that lit me up. I thought, "Wow, I am a trophy." He's won three national titles in division III but feels hollow. Today, he feels like a champion. Just a mid-season game. Hobart beats Syracuse. Division III beat Division I. They played the likes of Alfred, Hartwick, Carson, and St. Lawrence. I was playing Hopkins, VA or whoever. I mean, "how dare they beat us!"

Dave [Krause] died some years ahead of my dad. My dad coached a few more years and then retired, and I took over the helm. And I'd go down to Geneva, NY to play Hobart and the newspapers always asked about the great Kraus-Simmons rivalry. And I said, "You know what? There should be tradition formed here." Mike Hanna and I created a trophy called the Kraus-Simmons trophy and it is in it's 11th or 12th year. It's passed back and forth. Now that Hobart's division I, it's lost some meaning but we drag the trophy into the locker room and the kids hold it up and cheer. I know the Simmons part and the Kraus family are in the stands. The kids haven't got any idea what's going on, but it's still a fun thing. It's important to me because I've been around a while. I used to sit on Babe's lap as a kid and my dad was with me until just a few years ago. To me it's something special.

Pretty cool pumpkin! Thanks for sharing that. The history of these upstate schools is simply amazing!

[pumkinattack]

Good show RT & Frank (and TGP too).  My wife was pissed I was on and so I had earphones on while she was watching a show on the learning channel or something about midgets.  She caught the comment about NE girls too, so I may be sleeping with the dogs on the couch tonight.  

The show is fun and its good to hear from guys from different schools.  You should try to get Chris Phelps from SLU on next year.  He's one of the nicest guys you'll ever talk to.  Frank, are you doing this next year, or completely done with DIII?

[Frank Rossi]

Good show RT & Frank (and TGP too).  My wife was pissed I was on and so I had earphones on while she was watching a show on the learning channel or something about midgets.  She caught the comment about NE girls too, so I may be sleeping with the dogs on the couch tonight.  

The show is fun and its good to hear from guys from different schools.  You should try to get Chris Phelps from SLU on next year.  He's one of the nicest guys you'll ever talk to.  Frank, are you doing this next year, or completely done with DIII?

Still sticking around for D3 -- until you guys tell me you don't want me anymore

[Jonny Utah]

I'm just a little sensitive to the conference alignment issue b/c its having a big immpact on the lacrosse program at Bart being able to stay DI and maintain their long, long time rivalries with Cornell and SU.  In that case, Bart could get squeezed by the NCAA's who are really throwing historical relationships out the window completely and for the non-revenue generating DI sports that's a bad thing. 

Ithaca, Utica, AU and SJF are probably the only teams they could add for a 10th game at the moment and I'd love to have IC or AU back on the schedule (no slight to UC or SJF, but I played against the other two and like having those two on the schedule). 

HS Coach, that's a lot of good info.  I'm surprised by the DT's metrics.  I guess I just think of MUC as having 6'1 - 6'3 and 235 - 300 across the D line.  I'm sure they're still fast and disciplined, but this will be the first time the myth meets reality for me. 

Does Hobart really have a "long, long time" rivalry with Cornell and SU?  I don't think the ECAC matchups will hurt Hobart in the longrun in terms of NCAA seeding with d1 playoffs.  I think Hobart/Cornell and SU are just starting some good rivalries.  Its good to see the non-scholorship schools still doing pretty well in the d1 lax world.

JU,

  They've played Cornell 128 times and Cuse 94 times.  Its the ONLY reason Hobart is DI (has nothing to do with their DIII dominance at all despite what some people think).  Here's what Roy Simmons Jr. (former great coach of Cuse) said about Hobart:
Roy Simmons, Sr. ?
Well, he wasn't Senior then because he wasn't married. Dave Kraus was the hero of the Hobart team and Roy Simmons was the hero of the Syracuse team. And they played. Hobart is about 40 miles from Syracuse. And we both played Lacrosse. It's a natural rivalry. It's one of the oldest rivalries. I don't think we can beat Rutgers-Princeton or Yale-Harvard or anything. I think if you look back in the history of collegiate Lacrosse, Syracuse-Hobart goes back to probably 1916. If Syracuse played a Maryland or a Hopkins, and they sometimes did, it wasn't as big a game as Hobart and Syracuse. So Dave Kraus graduated from Hobart in 1925and joined the coaching staff. My father graduated from Syracuse in 1925 and joined the coaching staff. So Dave Kraus and Roy Simmons went at it for 45 years. My dad coached three sports: Football, Lacrosse and Boxing. The first game I can barely remember, I sat in my mother's lap in the stands at Boswell field at Hobart.

Then Cornell entered the picture. They are also upstate. We're in a little triangle here. I remember one year being so embarrassed. Cornell won division I, Hobart won division III and Syracuse just played the game. And we used to add it up, too. And we had an upstate champion. There was no league or any kind of credibility to it. It was bragging rights for upstate NY.

They won a lot of them because Syracuse wasn't strong for a while. Syracuse gained it's great strength in the late 70's and had some great teams. I remember walking off vanquished and nobody wanted to talk to me and walking by Guy Van Arsdale, a great goalie, great athlete, coach at RIT. Four time All-American at Hobart. And I hear him say, "This means everything. A national championship isn't as big as beating Syracuse!" And that lit me up. I thought, "Wow, I am a trophy." He's won three national titles in division III but feels hollow. Today, he feels like a champion. Just a mid-season game. Hobart beats Syracuse. Division III beat Division I. They played the likes of Alfred, Hartwick, Carson, and St. Lawrence. I was playing Hopkins, VA or whoever. I mean, "how dare they beat us!"

Dave [Krause] died some years ahead of my dad. My dad coached a few more years and then retired, and I took over the helm. And I'd go down to Geneva, NY to play Hobart and the newspapers always asked about the great Kraus-Simmons rivalry. And I said, "You know what? There should be tradition formed here." Mike Hanna and I created a trophy called the Kraus-Simmons trophy and it is in it's 11th or 12th year. It's passed back and forth. Now that Hobart's division I, it's lost some meaning but we drag the trophy into the locker room and the kids hold it up and cheer. I know the Simmons part and the Kraus family are in the stands. The kids haven't got any idea what's going on, but it's still a fun thing. It's important to me because I've been around a while. I used to sit on Babe's lap as a kid and my dad was with me until just a few years ago. To me it's something special.

I knew Hobart always played Cornell, (the barber I went to at Ithaca always talked about the game) but did not know they played the Cuse.  I never even heard too much about Hobart/Cuse/Cornell lax when I was at IC but I have followed them all a a little more since Hobart went d1.

[HWSTexan]

I really wish I could catch the game this weekend at Mt Union. It's been a few years since I've caught an HWS sporting event since I live down in Texas, but I sure am proud of the program. Men's soccer made a run to the third round, women's soccer is in the Final 4, and then there's football.

Go 'Bart!

[mattvsmith]

Michael Jackson has reportedly converted to Islam.

+K to everybody on this auspicious occasion.

[Senor RedTackle]

RIP MC Breed,

"Aint no future in yo frontin'"

[jaypeter]

I love lacrosse as much as the next guy, and remember being ball boy for one of the Statesmen - Orangemen games when my dad was referee back before they started moving kids away from the endlines.  But c'mon!  Y'all are playing the top team in the country in football in a few days!  I came around here looking to talk pigskin.  I'll drift back to the OAC board and hope that some of y'all make it over to Alliance for the weekend.

[mattvsmith]

RIP MC Breed,

"Aint no future in yo frontin'"

B'lee dat!

[Garnet]

I love lacrosse as much as the next guy, and remember being ball boy for one of the Statesmen - Orangemen games when my dad was referee back before they started moving kids away from the endlines.  But c'mon!  Y'all are playing the top team in the country in football in a few days!  I came around here looking to talk pigskin.  I'll drift back to the OAC board and hope that some of y'all make it over to Alliance for the weekend.

that's how we roll in the LLPP

[mattvsmith]

I love lacrosse as much as the next guy, and remember being ball boy for one of the Statesmen - Orangemen games when my dad was referee back before they started moving kids away from the endlines.  But c'mon!  Y'all are playing the top team in the country in football in a few days!  I came around here looking to talk pigskin.  I'll drift back to the OAC board and hope that some of y'all make it over to Alliance for the weekend.

JP,

The Rev very very nearly bought a ticket to OH to see the play-off game this weekend, but plans went south when a $540 ticket turned into an $800 in the time it took The Rev to look at the itinerary and click on the "Click here" button.  Damn.

The Rev is now thinking that Greyhound could probably get him from AZ to OH in time for the game if The Rev leaves on Wednesday.

But seriously, The Rev decided that he will spend Thanksgiving in La Jolla, CA instead of freezing his little altar boy off in the cold in OH or NY.