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[mattvsmith]

good info PA....pbr will say the lax landscape is really going to change in the next 5 years big time. the big schools are finally putting $$$ into their lax programs and schools like penn st. are hiring top coaches and recruiting hard where it was always 'cuse, bart, johns hopkins angling for the top kids. now these traditional powers are going to have to compete with a lot of other schools w/ top facilities and money. this is going to cause a lot of realignments of leagues w/ teams moving up  from the club level

Doesn't help much that Hobart can't offer athletic scholarships.

The Rev wonders how many schools who have started investing in Lax programs are going to pull back because of the economy.  Bring a men's program up, and they have to bring a women's program up in order to stay compliant with Title IX.  This lax stuff is not cheap.  Probably the second most expensive sport (football being #1) a college can support.

It would be nice if a school could support sports that sell tickets instead of having to prop up sports than just drain budgets and waste space on campus.  But The Rev knows that the Free Market doesn't settle too well in the stomachs of the Marxists who run universities.

[PBR...]

     May 7 -- Police in the U.S. state of
Connecticut are hunting for a gunman after a Wesleyan University
student was shot to death at a bookstore cafe yesterday.
     Johanna Justin-Jinich, class of 2010, was killed at her job
at the Red and Black Cafe in Middletown, school President
Michael Roth said.
     Police identified the alleged shooter as Stephen Morgan,
without saying if he was a student at the school or whether he
had a connection to Justin-Jinich. Morgan is 29 years old and a
former boyfriend of the victim, WCBS TV reported on its Web
site, citing police.
     Students were asked to remain indoors and avoid large
gatherings while police searched for the killer. "The suspect
is at large and considered armed and dangerous," the university
said in a statement.
     Wesleyan University, founded in 1831, has about 2,700 full-
time undergraduate students and is located about 100 miles (161
kilometers) northeast of Manhattan. The shooting occurred as
students were gathering for an end-of-year concert called the
Spring Fling. Police canceled the event and asked students to
return home and remain indoors.
     A gun was recovered from the Broad Street Books store where
the cafe is located, according to the statement. Police released
a photograph of the suspect, who is shown carrying a handgun,
wearing dark clothing, glasses and a moustache.


                            Not Random


     Middletown Mayor Sebastian Giuliano told the Associated
Press the shooting didn't appear to be random. Authorities
haven't confirmed the weapon found in the store was the one used
by the killer, AP cited police Lieutenant Margaret Liseo as
saying. A wig used by the gunman was also found in the store,
the news agency said.
     There were no murders committed on campus from 2005 through
2007, according to the university's public safety office Web
site, while eight aggravated assaults were reported during that
time.
     "This is a devastating loss for Johanna's family, friends,
and for the entire Wesleyan community," Roth said.

[PBR...]

good info PA....pbr will say the lax landscape is really going to change in the next 5 years big time. the big schools are finally putting $$$ into their lax programs and schools like penn st. are hiring top coaches and recruiting hard where it was always 'cuse, bart, johns hopkins angling for the top kids. now these traditional powers are going to have to compete with a lot of other schools w/ top facilities and money. this is going to cause a lot of realignments of leagues w/ teams moving up  from the club level

Doesn't help much that Hobart can't offer athletic scholarships.

The Rev wonders how many schools who have started investing in Lax programs are going to pull back because of the economy.  Bring a men's program up, and they have to bring a women's program up in order to stay compliant with Title IX.  This lax stuff is not cheap.  Probably the second most expensive sport (football being #1) a college can support.

It would be nice if a school could support sports that sell tickets instead of having to prop up sports than just drain budgets and waste space on campus.  But The Rev knows that the Free Market doesn't settle too well in the stomachs of the Marxists who run universities.

good question rev... despite the economy some schools are still spending the payola mainly thru major donations and boosters....i.e. penn st. just hired cael sanderson as head wrestling coach. those who follow wrestling he is probably the greatest wrestler this country has produced. they hired him from his alma mater iowa st. rumors were the contract for 1 million over 3 years...the new wrestling facility built was over $5 million it is incredible the weight room alone and training facilities are second to none. this for what 15-20 wrestlers? key is donors and not using university money much like hobart did with their new athletic facility. psu now is doing the same w/ its lax program and so are many other div I-A schools. like you said penn st. will sell a lot of tix for the wrestling matches by getting 8-10K for most matches and close to 20K when iowa comes to happy valley. lax is trailing that but coming on strong. when the lax final four came to philly several years ago and played at lincoln financial field they got over 50K for each semi final game and over 60K for the final. so imho lax is on the right path...just look at the little league fields around pbr's house on weekends and boys lax games are everywhere its just as popular as soccer easily.

[pumkinattack]

PBR,

  Penn St's heir apparent coach to Thiel in lax is a Hobart alum (Head AC Guy Van Arsdale, his brother Marc is the eventual successor to Dom Starsia at UVA also), so yeah, PSU is going to have a top coach soon. 

  Overall, though, my understanding is that many of the major institutions cannot add lacrosse specifically because of title IX as the rev alluded to.  Adding a 40 - 50 person roster with 15 games and some real travel is like the luxury tax in that you have to tack on equivalent dollars (not participation, which would make much more sense) onto women's sports.  In fact, BC and NC State used to have DI programs (that DIII Bart used to kill back in the day) as well as, I think, MSU.  By rule, you can only give 12.5 scholarships for a roster of 40 - 50 guys, so it's never going to be a meal ticket to college as only one or two guys, even at a Cuse, can get full scholarships (most get 1/4 - 1/2).  Seems like most of the growth is at the low DI level with new colleges including Presbyterian (SC), U Detroit Mercy, Bryant (RI), Jacksonville (FL coached by our last HC) and talk of Mercer college adding soon. 

  We do get screwed in not allowing scholarships, but the flipside is that we'd probably have to drop soccer if that happened bc of title IX (talking about an extra half MM or so). 

[Jonny Utah]

good info PA....pbr will say the lax landscape is really going to change in the next 5 years big time. the big schools are finally putting $$$ into their lax programs and schools like penn st. are hiring top coaches and recruiting hard where it was always 'cuse, bart, johns hopkins angling for the top kids. now these traditional powers are going to have to compete with a lot of other schools w/ top facilities and money. this is going to cause a lot of realignments of leagues w/ teams moving up  from the club level

Doesn't help much that Hobart can't offer athletic scholarships.

The Rev wonders how many schools who have started investing in Lax programs are going to pull back because of the economy.  Bring a men's program up, and they have to bring a women's program up in order to stay compliant with Title IX.  This lax stuff is not cheap.  Probably the second most expensive sport (football being #1) a college can support.

It would be nice if a school could support sports that sell tickets instead of having to prop up sports than just drain budgets and waste space on campus.  But The Rev knows that the Free Market doesn't settle too well in the stomachs of the Marxists who run universities.

Rev I think Hockey is the #2 most expensive sport and any sport with scholorships would be the most espensive.  And d1 lax for Hobart would be expensive because of the travel.  A d3 lax program for upstate teams should cost as much as any other sport or even less because of the abundance of lax teams right?

But Boston College dropped their d1 lax program for title 9 reasons and some other programs did the same.  The marxists won there!

And the lack of scholorships is the #1 reason that Hobart is not top 5 in the country in my opinion. 

I think as long as Hobart still plays Syracuse, Cornell and Umass, they dont have to worry about the conference.

[Touchdown Tommy]

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Karma has been distributed this morning.

[Jonny Utah]

I dislike the AQ system more and more after seeing what happened to Ithaca in Lax football this year.  Id rather see the weaker conferences have to have their regular season champs play each other the last week of the season instead of taking a spot away from a better team walking into butterfield and skeet skeet skeeting curry flavored purple drank all over bomber nation. 

Fixed.

Funny...but Im still going to call that game a fluke.  If Cortland didn't blow them and Plymouth out, and then get beat bad by MUC, Id give Curry a little more credit. 

But I also think the NEFC should get an AQ for football even though it could be close to getting 2 aqs if it wanted to.  Plus, I think the NEFC is fine for the AQ because they do what I think should be done in Lax and other sports where some leagues top teams are so bad they would be last place teams in other leagues.  See how the d3 lax tourney was set up this year.

Utah,
Have you been hanging out with NLNG from the NEFC?? 

No fluke.....check the scoreboard....IC lost the game.

U89 do you think flukes can happen in sports?

I had seen Curry, Cortland and IC all play a bunch of times the last few years.  Ithaca was better than both of those teams.  I forgot IC didn't have their #1 quarterback or #1 running back so maybe it wasn't a fluke with both those guys out you are right.

scoreboard says dem spice boyz were better (curry)....everyone has injuries and has to overcome them at some point in a season. curry was the better team, it was settled on the field not in a poll....

I disagree that a team has to overcome injuries at some point in a season.  There is a reason why the Celtics are not favored to win the NBA championhip this year.  You can overcome some injuries but not others.

[PBR...]

Manny fails drug test and banned for 50 games....ouch!!! bye bye man ram

[Jonny Utah]

Manny fails drug test and banned for 50 games....ouch!!! bye bye man ram

PBR that is the best news I have heard since Kaitlin agreed to go the prom with me in 1993.

[Jonny Utah]

And you know whats BS now about all this?  That the Dodgers have to pay this chump.  They should fire him with cause right now and take him to court for the money they already paid him.

And does this suspension mean that he has already been caught once?  I know the NFL gives you one private suspension or warning or something.

[lewdogg11]

And you know whats BS now about all this?  That the Dodgers have to pay this chump.  They should fire him with cause right now and take him to court for the money they already paid him.

And does this suspension mean that he has already been caught once?  I know the NFL gives you one private suspension or warning or something.

50 games for testing positive once now.  twice i think is a year, 3 times is a lifetime ban. 

Manny was on my Fantasy team...I'm screwed

[Jonny Utah]

And you know whats BS now about all this?  That the Dodgers have to pay this chump.  They should fire him with cause right now and take him to court for the money they already paid him.

And does this suspension mean that he has already been caught once?  I know the NFL gives you one private suspension or warning or something.

50 games for testing positive once now.  twice i think is a year, 3 times is a lifetime ban. 

Manny was on my Fantasy team...I'm screwed

You deserve it for having him on your team in the first place.

[Garnet]

It's just Manny being Manny!

[SJFF82]

 
JU SAYS:


There is a reason why the Celtics are not favored to win the NBA championhip this year.  
[/quote]

SJFF82 SAYS:

....and the "reason's" name is Lebron James not KG

[lewdogg11]

And you know whats BS now about all this?  That the Dodgers have to pay this chump.  They should fire him with cause right now and take him to court for the money they already paid him.

And does this suspension mean that he has already been caught once?  I know the NFL gives you one private suspension or warning or something.

50 games for testing positive once now.  twice i think is a year, 3 times is a lifetime ban. 

Manny was on my Fantasy team...I'm screwed

You deserve it for having him on your team in the first place.

Well, he was hitting .343 (OBP: .492) with 22R, 6HR, and 20RBI.  Business is business.