FB: Liberty League

[dlippiel]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Don't worry pa dlippiel doesn't think anyone is forgetting the Statesmen in the LL. Their ability to win in and out of the league deserves a ton of respect. dlippiel feels they come into the 09 campaign with a ton of momentum from their valient effort against Mount Union last year. They made the LL proud (even getting routed) playing a solid game on D. dlippiel just feels the U is going to be back into the mix and has the potential to be in the discussion as the LL favorite. dlippiel feels that anything less than the NCAA's for Bart and the U will be a disappointment. dlippiel also has this feeling towards RPI but feels they deserve some slack having to replace Robertsons huge ****ing shoes.

[dlippiel]

Remember these days? New Jersey Generals...USFL...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwtojpazgM

[Jonny Utah]

Remember these days? New Jersey Generals...USFL...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwtojpazgM

Good stuff.  I went to a New Jersey Generals/Boston Breakers football game at Boston University back in the day.  I think NJ had hershel and flutie

[Reno Hightower]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Marotti was vastly over-rated......he threw way too many picks.

Look at Union's record book. Marotti holds EVERY QB record in the history of the program. The stat that stands out to me the most is that he completed roughly 100 more passes than the 2nd place QB and threw the ball roughly 100 less times than the 2nd place QB. This stat would be even more ridiculous if Angiletta not gotten hurt in the preseason before their senior seasons. Say what you want about the WR talent that Union's top QBs have had over the years......I have it from a very good source that the WRs on the Stagg Bowl teams were great players. Just played in different eras and may have put up similar numbers as Ang and Twich given the opportunity.

QB is the most important position in football and Marotti holds every record at the school. Now, that does not mean that he is the best QB in the history of the program (please note that I wrote this so that this doesnt turn into some big stupid argument)....Im just saying, to say he wasnt great or to say he was "overrated" is being completely and totally out of line, and disrespectful to a kid who engineered the 3rd most successful season in school history and holds many many school records.

Marotti was a great player.
Can not wait to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame at Union. Hopefully the AD treats that class of kids appropriately and inducts TA, Angiletta, Marotti and Twichell all in the same year. What a recruiting class!

[union89]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Marotti was vastly over-rated......he threw way too many picks.

Look at Union's record book. Marotti holds EVERY QB record in the history of the program. The stat that stands out to me the most is that he completed roughly 100 more passes than the 2nd place QB and threw the ball roughly 100 less times than the 2nd place QB. This stat would be even more ridiculous if Angiletta not gotten hurt in the preseason before their senior seasons. Say what you want about the WR talent that Union's top QBs have had over the years......I have it from a very good source that the WRs on the Stagg Bowl teams were great players. Just played in different eras and may have put up similar numbers as Ang and Twich given the opportunity.

QB is the most important position in football and Marotti holds every record at the school. Now, that does not mean that he is the best QB in the history of the program (please note that I wrote this so that this doesnt turn into some big stupid argument)....Im just saying, to say he wasnt great or to say he was "overrated" is being completely and totally out of line, and disrespectful to a kid who engineered the 3rd most successful season in school history and holds many many school records.

Marotti was a great player.
Can not wait to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame at Union. Hopefully the AD treats that class of kids appropriately and inducts TA, Angiletta, Marotti and Twichell all in the same year. What a recruiting class!

Oh boy....we may need to take this off line.  Those 4 guys won 1 playoff game I believe.......You think all 4 should be in the Union HOF??  

Dan Stewart is the only one from his time and Brett Russ is the only one from his to be recognized.......yet these 4 all deserve as much recognition than those 2 guys??

To even say that is ignorant.......

[Apple Jack]

I fail to see why someone would LOL at that commercial.  The only part I found remotely worthy of a SEG was the part where he is dreaming a cat has his bone.

Am I missing something?

Maybe you RPI clowns just don't get 'IT'......ever worry about your Benjamin's instead of bouncy them off Ithaca grads craniums?

Its just that our stack of Benjamins is larger....no need to worry
http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/107374/do-elite-colleges-produce-the-best-paid-graduates.html?mod=edu-collegeprep

[pumkinattack]

I know nobody's overlooking Bart, but wanted to get that in there (plus the shout out for the QB's - Swanson was pretty damn good too). 

Would the U guys give Marotti credit for the thousands of YAC on the screen pick play?  Is it Marotti's 87 yards to end the 2005 game against Bart or the WR's?  I don't want to disparage the kid, but that same '05 season you barely pulled out a couple of games (F&M and MMA, I believe) where his performance nearly lost those games.  Great QB's don't put their teams in that position numerous times in a season. 

JU,
I had heard Cheplick was at a SUNY (Cortland or Brockport).  I kind of liked the guy as one of those crazy sum f a bitches, but his playcalling directly resulted in his departure.  He'd scream at us in practice how he'd like to give the opposing D our playcalls and we'd just run over them by being better.  If you were on a scout D (red v white) and made a play of Logan or Seamans he'd yell at you "what are you, some kind of all star?!?!"  First time I felt like an ass, then it just became funny.

[Jonny Utah]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Marotti was vastly over-rated......he threw way too many picks.

Look at Union's record book. Marotti holds EVERY QB record in the history of the program. The stat that stands out to me the most is that he completed roughly 100 more passes than the 2nd place QB and threw the ball roughly 100 less times than the 2nd place QB. This stat would be even more ridiculous if Angiletta not gotten hurt in the preseason before their senior seasons. Say what you want about the WR talent that Union's top QBs have had over the years......I have it from a very good source that the WRs on the Stagg Bowl teams were great players. Just played in different eras and may have put up similar numbers as Ang and Twich given the opportunity.

QB is the most important position in football and Marotti holds every record at the school. Now, that does not mean that he is the best QB in the history of the program (please note that I wrote this so that this doesnt turn into some big stupid argument)....Im just saying, to say he wasnt great or to say he was "overrated" is being completely and totally out of line, and disrespectful to a kid who engineered the 3rd most successful season in school history and holds many many school records.

Marotti was a great player.
Can not wait to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame at Union. Hopefully the AD treats that class of kids appropriately and inducts TA, Angiletta, Marotti and Twichell all in the same year. What a recruiting class!

Oh boy....we may need to take this off line.  Those 4 guys won 1 playoff game I believe.......You think all 4 should be in the Union HOF??  

Dan Stewart is the only one from his time and Brett Russ is the only one from his to be recognized.......yet these 4 all deserve as much recognition than those 2 guys??

To even say that is ignorant.......

From what I saw in one Union game I would say that the running back Tom A. was heads above the other 3.  And maybe it was the poor Ithaca defense that day, but the QB had all day to throw and the Wrs had all day to get open.  I thought the Union o-line probably might have the real hall of famers from that team actually.  And Im not saying the QB and WRs werent great, but I have seen dozens of comparable QBs and WRs to those guys over the same time period.  But that running back was special.

Just my opinion from one game.

[dlippiel]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Marotti was vastly over-rated......he threw way too many picks.

Look at Union's record book. Marotti holds EVERY QB record in the history of the program. The stat that stands out to me the most is that he completed roughly 100 more passes than the 2nd place QB and threw the ball roughly 100 less times than the 2nd place QB. This stat would be even more ridiculous if Angiletta not gotten hurt in the preseason before their senior seasons. Say what you want about the WR talent that Union's top QBs have had over the years......I have it from a very good source that the WRs on the Stagg Bowl teams were great players. Just played in different eras and may have put up similar numbers as Ang and Twich given the opportunity.

QB is the most important position in football and Marotti holds every record at the school. Now, that does not mean that he is the best QB in the history of the program (please note that I wrote this so that this doesnt turn into some big stupid argument)....Im just saying, to say he wasnt great or to say he was "overrated" is being completely and totally out of line, and disrespectful to a kid who engineered the 3rd most successful season in school history and holds many many school records.

Marotti was a great player.
Can not wait to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame at Union. Hopefully the AD treats that class of kids appropriately and inducts TA, Angiletta, Marotti and Twichell all in the same year. What a recruiting class!

reno dlippiel doesn't think anyone meant to disrespect Marotti here at all, just trying to discuss player performance objectively ya know. Like dlippiel previously stated he was a talented player, one who dlippiel enjoyed watching, yet also had to bite a towel when he threw picks. I think there is no doubt though that Twitch and Ang really helped Marotti reach the next level and even though his records are great he does not stack up with a Dan Stewart for example. dlippiel feels that it is always important to not disrespect "personally" any student athlete and he does not feel that was U89's intent.

[dlippiel]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Marotti was vastly over-rated......he threw way too many picks.

Look at Union's record book. Marotti holds EVERY QB record in the history of the program. The stat that stands out to me the most is that he completed roughly 100 more passes than the 2nd place QB and threw the ball roughly 100 less times than the 2nd place QB. This stat would be even more ridiculous if Angiletta not gotten hurt in the preseason before their senior seasons. Say what you want about the WR talent that Union's top QBs have had over the years......I have it from a very good source that the WRs on the Stagg Bowl teams were great players. Just played in different eras and may have put up similar numbers as Ang and Twich given the opportunity.

QB is the most important position in football and Marotti holds every record at the school. Now, that does not mean that he is the best QB in the history of the program (please note that I wrote this so that this doesnt turn into some big stupid argument)....Im just saying, to say he wasnt great or to say he was "overrated" is being completely and totally out of line, and disrespectful to a kid who engineered the 3rd most successful season in school history and holds many many school records.

Marotti was a great player.
Can not wait to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame at Union. Hopefully the AD treats that class of kids appropriately and inducts TA, Angiletta, Marotti and Twichell all in the same year. What a recruiting class!

Oh boy....we may need to take this off line.  Those 4 guys won 1 playoff game I believe.......You think all 4 should be in the Union HOF??  

Dan Stewart is the only one from his time and Brett Russ is the only one from his to be recognized.......yet these 4 all deserve as much recognition than those 2 guys??

To even say that is ignorant.......

From what I saw in one Union game I would say that the running back Tom A. was heads above the other 3.  And maybe it was the poor Ithaca defense that day, but the QB had all day to throw and the Wrs had all day to get open.  I thought the Union o-line probably might have the real hall of famers from that team actually.  And Im not saying the QB and WRs werent great, but I have seen dozens of comparable QBs and WRs to those guys over the same time period.  But that running back was special.

Just my opinion from one game.

Right on Utah, Tommy A was very special and always will be at the U! Anyone know why he was released from the Arena 2 Firebirds team this season? dlippiel heard maybe injuries? dlippiel knows he was signed early and released a few games in. All dlippiel knows is that he was planning to actually attend a Firebirds game until Tommy A's release. Hence dlippiel passed on the Firebirds post-Tommy A.

[union89]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Marotti was vastly over-rated......he threw way too many picks.

Look at Union's record book. Marotti holds EVERY QB record in the history of the program. The stat that stands out to me the most is that he completed roughly 100 more passes than the 2nd place QB and threw the ball roughly 100 less times than the 2nd place QB. This stat would be even more ridiculous if Angiletta not gotten hurt in the preseason before their senior seasons. Say what you want about the WR talent that Union's top QBs have had over the years......I have it from a very good source that the WRs on the Stagg Bowl teams were great players. Just played in different eras and may have put up similar numbers as Ang and Twich given the opportunity.

QB is the most important position in football and Marotti holds every record at the school. Now, that does not mean that he is the best QB in the history of the program (please note that I wrote this so that this doesnt turn into some big stupid argument)....Im just saying, to say he wasnt great or to say he was "overrated" is being completely and totally out of line, and disrespectful to a kid who engineered the 3rd most successful season in school history and holds many many school records.

Marotti was a great player.
Can not wait to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame at Union. Hopefully the AD treats that class of kids appropriately and inducts TA, Angiletta, Marotti and Twichell all in the same year. What a recruiting class!

Oh boy....we may need to take this off line.  Those 4 guys won 1 playoff game I believe.......You think all 4 should be in the Union HOF??  

Dan Stewart is the only one from his time and Brett Russ is the only one from his to be recognized.......yet these 4 all deserve as much recognition than those 2 guys??

To even say that is ignorant.......

From what I saw in one Union game I would say that the running back Tom A. was heads above the other 3.  And maybe it was the poor Ithaca defense that day, but the QB had all day to throw and the Wrs had all day to get open.  I thought the Union o-line probably might have the real hall of famers from that team actually.  And Im not saying the QB and WRs werent great, but I have seen dozens of comparable QBs and WRs to those guys over the same time period.  But that running back was special.

Just my opinion from one game.

U89 agrees 100%.  TA was a special back and U89 believes those teams will be recognized as the, 'Arcidiacono Years'.

[AUKaz00]

Remember these days? New Jersey Generals...USFL...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwtojpazgM

Good stuff.  I went to a New Jersey Generals/Boston Breakers football game at Boston University back in the day.  I think NJ had hershel and flutie

You think that's special, I went to a NY/NJ Hitmen game in 2001!  Same day that Dale Earnhardt died as I recall.  There's a reason they don't play football in February (and a reason the XFL folded).

[Reno Hightower]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Marotti was vastly over-rated......he threw way too many picks.

Look at Union's record book. Marotti holds EVERY QB record in the history of the program. The stat that stands out to me the most is that he completed roughly 100 more passes than the 2nd place QB and threw the ball roughly 100 less times than the 2nd place QB. This stat would be even more ridiculous if Angiletta not gotten hurt in the preseason before their senior seasons. Say what you want about the WR talent that Union's top QBs have had over the years......I have it from a very good source that the WRs on the Stagg Bowl teams were great players. Just played in different eras and may have put up similar numbers as Ang and Twich given the opportunity.

QB is the most important position in football and Marotti holds every record at the school. Now, that does not mean that he is the best QB in the history of the program (please note that I wrote this so that this doesnt turn into some big stupid argument)....Im just saying, to say he wasnt great or to say he was "overrated" is being completely and totally out of line, and disrespectful to a kid who engineered the 3rd most successful season in school history and holds many many school records.

Marotti was a great player.
Can not wait to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame at Union. Hopefully the AD treats that class of kids appropriately and inducts TA, Angiletta, Marotti and Twichell all in the same year. What a recruiting class!

Oh boy....we may need to take this off line.  Those 4 guys won 1 playoff game I believe.......You think all 4 should be in the Union HOF??  

Dan Stewart is the only one from his time and Brett Russ is the only one from his to be recognized.......yet these 4 all deserve as much recognition than those 2 guys??

To even say that is ignorant.......

From what I saw in one Union game I would say that the running back Tom A. was heads above the other 3.  And maybe it was the poor Ithaca defense that day, but the QB had all day to throw and the Wrs had all day to get open.  I thought the Union o-line probably might have the real hall of famers from that team actually.  And Im not saying the QB and WRs werent great, but I have seen dozens of comparable QBs and WRs to those guys over the same time period.  But that running back was special.

Just my opinion from one game.

Answering a few questions in 1 post:

Even though Hockey and Lacrosse are now the most supported sports at Union, Football has for a long time been the flagship program at the school and when successful has brought the most press coverage. With that said:
How can you keep the All-Time leading Passer, All-Time leading WR (by a longshot, despite missing the majority of his senior season) and All-Time leading RB out of the Hall of Fame? Take Twichell out of the argument, I will give him up from consideration.  I dont see how you can not induct 3 record breaking players?
As an avid Union fan, I always thought that Angiletta was the best of that particular group. As U89 mentioned, the group only won 1 NCAA game out of the 3 they played in. Well TA, in 2 of those games was totally held in check (completely embarassed in 1 of the games). Marotti, also had 2 bad games. Angiletta however, of the 3 is the only 1 who had "winning" performances.  Here are his stats:
2005 vs Ithaca: 8 Catches for 103 yards 1 TD
2005 vs Rowan: 12 Catches for 232 yards 2 TD
2006 vs SJF: 14 Catches for 182 yards
3 Game NCAA Total: 34 catches for 517 yards and 3 TDs
Pretty impressive!
Like I said, Angiletta owns ever receiving record at the school and they look to be almost untouchable. AND MISSED ALL BUT 3 GAMES HIS SENIOR SEASON!!!!!!!!

As for that OL in 2005. They played great that year. Awesome. So not taking that away from them. BUT, they were a group that had played together for 4 years and had been a largely underachieving group who finally put it all together that season. The WR's had 2 GREAT years and 1 average year (would have been better barring the Ang injury). TA had 1 GREAT year, 1 really good year but was really disappointing as a soph (though a shoulder injury slowed him down the 1st half of the season). Marotti played superbly as a sophomore (I am high on Connelly but dont see how he can match Marottis sophmore year when Union could not run the ball yet they still had an amazing passing game), great as a junior and had a average senior year (again, Ang injured).

Like I said, I dont think that Marotti was the best QB ever at Union. He is probably #3. But how can you possibly keep the All-Time leading passer out of the Hall of Fame? Especially when you look at the difference between him and the #2 guy? Same with Angiletta? I dont need to argue for TA obviously since everyone seems on board with him.

WITH all that said. You all need to get out and see Coney this season. Think a RB with the size of Thomas, speed of Thomas but with better vision. Reminds me of a bigger version of the Robinson kid from SJF. His sophomore year left him ahead of the pace to break the All-Time Rushing record at Union and it seems to have motivated him. ALSO, TA (to his great credit) has taken an interest in the kid and took him under his wing this past spring and worked with him a lot and has developed such a great relationship with the kid that he has decided to pace the Union sidelines this season as an assistant coach working with the RB's. Not in a full-time capacity but will help as much as he can and his relationship with Chris can only be viewed as awesome!

[lewdogg11]

Sounds like one of those 'special' relationships...

[Reno Hightower]

I know nobody's overlooking Bart, but wanted to get that in there (plus the shout out for the QB's - Swanson was pretty damn good too). 

Would the U guys give Marotti credit for the thousands of YAC on the screen pick play?  Is it Marotti's 87 yards to end the 2005 game against Bart or the WR's?  I don't want to disparage the kid, but that same '05 season you barely pulled out a couple of games (F&M and MMA, I believe) where his performance nearly lost those games.  Great QB's don't put their teams in that position numerous times in a season. 

JU,
I had heard Cheplick was at a SUNY (Cortland or Brockport).  I kind of liked the guy as one of those crazy sum f a bitches, but his playcalling directly resulted in his departure.  He'd scream at us in practice how he'd like to give the opposing D our playcalls and we'd just run over them by being better.  If you were on a scout D (red v white) and made a play of Logan or Seamans he'd yell at you "what are you, some kind of all star?!?!"  First time I felt like an ass, then it just became funny.

Union isnt a big screen team. Angiletta did not pick up yards on screens the way say Flynn Cochran from RPI did. Union has always been a down the field passing team in the Audino era (thus the tendency to throw a bunch of INTs).
The play vs Hobart that you are referring to was a combination of 3 things:
1. The right play call by the offense and the wrong play call by the defense at the exact same time.
2. A great block from Twichell. An underrated aspect of that era. The WR's were really good blockers which helped each other and TA gain a lot of yards! That particular Twichell block was amazing.
3. A great play by Ang outrunning the Hobart secondary which was the #1 pass defense in the LL that season.

That whole group of kids really balanced each other out well. NONE of them would have been as successful without the rest. Like I said, a truly great recruiting class!