FB: Liberty League

[Reno Hightower]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Marotti was vastly over-rated......he threw way too many picks.

Look at Union's record book. Marotti holds EVERY QB record in the history of the program. The stat that stands out to me the most is that he completed roughly 100 more passes than the 2nd place QB and threw the ball roughly 100 less times than the 2nd place QB. This stat would be even more ridiculous if Angiletta not gotten hurt in the preseason before their senior seasons. Say what you want about the WR talent that Union's top QBs have had over the years......I have it from a very good source that the WRs on the Stagg Bowl teams were great players. Just played in different eras and may have put up similar numbers as Ang and Twich given the opportunity.

QB is the most important position in football and Marotti holds every record at the school. Now, that does not mean that he is the best QB in the history of the program (please note that I wrote this so that this doesnt turn into some big stupid argument)....Im just saying, to say he wasnt great or to say he was "overrated" is being completely and totally out of line, and disrespectful to a kid who engineered the 3rd most successful season in school history and holds many many school records.

Marotti was a great player.
Can not wait to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame at Union. Hopefully the AD treats that class of kids appropriately and inducts TA, Angiletta, Marotti and Twichell all in the same year. What a recruiting class!

Oh boy....we may need to take this off line.  Those 4 guys won 1 playoff game I believe.......You think all 4 should be in the Union HOF??  

Dan Stewart is the only one from his time and Brett Russ is the only one from his to be recognized.......yet these 4 all deserve as much recognition than those 2 guys??

To even say that is ignorant.......

From what I saw in one Union game I would say that the running back Tom A. was heads above the other 3.  And maybe it was the poor Ithaca defense that day, but the QB had all day to throw and the Wrs had all day to get open.  I thought the Union o-line probably might have the real hall of famers from that team actually.  And Im not saying the QB and WRs werent great, but I have seen dozens of comparable QBs and WRs to those guys over the same time period.  But that running back was special.

Just my opinion from one game.

Reno was at the game too. Ithaca had an awful defensive game plan. They werent sound at all AND had been playing poor defense going into the game. Union did whatever they wanted to. Marotti was just as impressive that day. Twichell had an amazing game. Hell, I think the TE Ryan Perry had over 100 yards receiving!!!!!
Thomas was great that day though. 5 TDs, 200+ yards. Facing 6-7 in the box.
A D that was slumping vs an O that was peaking. Ithaca still almost pulled the game out with Special Teams. 1 KOR for a TD, another to the 4 resulting in a TD. Union hasnt been good on special teams since Eisenhut graduated. RECRUIT A KICKER PLEASE AUDINO!

[Jonny Utah]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Marotti was vastly over-rated......he threw way too many picks.

Look at Union's record book. Marotti holds EVERY QB record in the history of the program. The stat that stands out to me the most is that he completed roughly 100 more passes than the 2nd place QB and threw the ball roughly 100 less times than the 2nd place QB. This stat would be even more ridiculous if Angiletta not gotten hurt in the preseason before their senior seasons. Say what you want about the WR talent that Union's top QBs have had over the years......I have it from a very good source that the WRs on the Stagg Bowl teams were great players. Just played in different eras and may have put up similar numbers as Ang and Twich given the opportunity.

QB is the most important position in football and Marotti holds every record at the school. Now, that does not mean that he is the best QB in the history of the program (please note that I wrote this so that this doesnt turn into some big stupid argument)....Im just saying, to say he wasnt great or to say he was "overrated" is being completely and totally out of line, and disrespectful to a kid who engineered the 3rd most successful season in school history and holds many many school records.

Marotti was a great player.
Can not wait to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame at Union. Hopefully the AD treats that class of kids appropriately and inducts TA, Angiletta, Marotti and Twichell all in the same year. What a recruiting class!

Oh boy....we may need to take this off line.  Those 4 guys won 1 playoff game I believe.......You think all 4 should be in the Union HOF??  

Dan Stewart is the only one from his time and Brett Russ is the only one from his to be recognized.......yet these 4 all deserve as much recognition than those 2 guys??

To even say that is ignorant.......

From what I saw in one Union game I would say that the running back Tom A. was heads above the other 3.  And maybe it was the poor Ithaca defense that day, but the QB had all day to throw and the Wrs had all day to get open.  I thought the Union o-line probably might have the real hall of famers from that team actually.  And Im not saying the QB and WRs werent great, but I have seen dozens of comparable QBs and WRs to those guys over the same time period.  But that running back was special.

Just my opinion from one game.

Reno was at the game too. Ithaca had an awful defensive game plan. They werent sound at all AND had been playing poor defense going into the game. Union did whatever they wanted to. Marotti was just as impressive that day. Twichell had an amazing game. Hell, I think the TE Ryan Perry had over 100 yards receiving!!!!!
Thomas was great that day though. 5 TDs, 200+ yards. Facing 6-7 in the box.
A D that was slumping vs an O that was peaking. Ithaca still almost pulled the game out with Special Teams. 1 KOR for a TD, another to the 4 resulting in a TD. Union hasnt been good on special teams since Eisenhut graduated. RECRUIT A KICKER PLEASE AUDINO!

I believe that was the last year Ithaca used the 4-3 defense (1995-2005).  It was clear after that season anyway that Ithaca did not have the OLBs to play both the pass and run out of a 4-3.  There were numerous times in the Union game where Ithaca defenders simply did not tackle Tom A. off tackle.  I can remember the same thing in the SJF games against some of their good running backs.

Plus the Ithaca pass rush was horrible and the blitzes did nothing.  Credit that to the Union o-line as well but it was painfull to watch as an IC fan.

Also in terms of the HOF, I guess you have to take the time factor into consideration.  I think a 10-15 year window is fair to determine whether any of those guys are worthy of the HOF.

And so does Union still run the same multiple I-pro that they did in 2005? (with some guns) 

[dlippiel]

Man I hope King and Audino are only looking at each other and Bart can slide in and win the LL again.

Also would like to note that before last year, Bart had the best QB each year post Cole (Mizro and Strom over Moretti? and Robertson).  Just haven't had much of a running game since Blakowski left (still don't like or trust DeWall's playcalling, which I think inhibits decent talent with respect to the run - just look at the early-mid 90's when Cheplick was calling draw's on 3rd and 8 with Mark Logan and, briefly, Keith Brandon.  That ish just doesn't work).

Marotti was vastly over-rated......he threw way too many picks.

Look at Union's record book. Marotti holds EVERY QB record in the history of the program. The stat that stands out to me the most is that he completed roughly 100 more passes than the 2nd place QB and threw the ball roughly 100 less times than the 2nd place QB. This stat would be even more ridiculous if Angiletta not gotten hurt in the preseason before their senior seasons. Say what you want about the WR talent that Union's top QBs have had over the years......I have it from a very good source that the WRs on the Stagg Bowl teams were great players. Just played in different eras and may have put up similar numbers as Ang and Twich given the opportunity.

QB is the most important position in football and Marotti holds every record at the school. Now, that does not mean that he is the best QB in the history of the program (please note that I wrote this so that this doesnt turn into some big stupid argument)....Im just saying, to say he wasnt great or to say he was "overrated" is being completely and totally out of line, and disrespectful to a kid who engineered the 3rd most successful season in school history and holds many many school records.

Marotti was a great player.
Can not wait to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame at Union. Hopefully the AD treats that class of kids appropriately and inducts TA, Angiletta, Marotti and Twichell all in the same year. What a recruiting class!

Oh boy....we may need to take this off line.  Those 4 guys won 1 playoff game I believe.......You think all 4 should be in the Union HOF??  

Dan Stewart is the only one from his time and Brett Russ is the only one from his to be recognized.......yet these 4 all deserve as much recognition than those 2 guys??

To even say that is ignorant.......

From what I saw in one Union game I would say that the running back Tom A. was heads above the other 3.  And maybe it was the poor Ithaca defense that day, but the QB had all day to throw and the Wrs had all day to get open.  I thought the Union o-line probably might have the real hall of famers from that team actually.  And Im not saying the QB and WRs werent great, but I have seen dozens of comparable QBs and WRs to those guys over the same time period.  But that running back was special.

Just my opinion from one game.

Answering a few questions in 1 post:

Even though Hockey and Lacrosse are now the most supported sports at Union, Football has for a long time been the flagship program at the school and when successful has brought the most press coverage. With that said:
How can you keep the All-Time leading Passer, All-Time leading WR (by a longshot, despite missing the majority of his senior season) and All-Time leading RB out of the Hall of Fame? Take Twichell out of the argument, I will give him up from consideration.  I dont see how you can not induct 3 record breaking players?
As an avid Union fan, I always thought that Angiletta was the best of that particular group. As U89 mentioned, the group only won 1 NCAA game out of the 3 they played in. Well TA, in 2 of those games was totally held in check (completely embarassed in 1 of the games). Marotti, also had 2 bad games. Angiletta however, of the 3 is the only 1 who had "winning" performances.  Here are his stats:
2005 vs Ithaca: 8 Catches for 103 yards 1 TD
2005 vs Rowan: 12 Catches for 232 yards 2 TD
2006 vs SJF: 14 Catches for 182 yards
3 Game NCAA Total: 34 catches for 517 yards and 3 TDs
Pretty impressive!
Like I said, Angiletta owns ever receiving record at the school and they look to be almost untouchable. AND MISSED ALL BUT 3 GAMES HIS SENIOR SEASON!!!!!!!!

As for that OL in 2005. They played great that year. Awesome. So not taking that away from them. BUT, they were a group that had played together for 4 years and had been a largely underachieving group who finally put it all together that season. The WR's had 2 GREAT years and 1 average year (would have been better barring the Ang injury). TA had 1 GREAT year, 1 really good year but was really disappointing as a soph (though a shoulder injury slowed him down the 1st half of the season). Marotti played superbly as a sophomore (I am high on Connelly but dont see how he can match Marottis sophmore year when Union could not run the ball yet they still had an amazing passing game), great as a junior and had a average senior year (again, Ang injured).

Like I said, I dont think that Marotti was the best QB ever at Union. He is probably #3. But how can you possibly keep the All-Time leading passer out of the Hall of Fame? Especially when you look at the difference between him and the #2 guy? Same with Angiletta? I dont need to argue for TA obviously since everyone seems on board with him.

WITH all that said. You all need to get out and see Coney this season. Think a RB with the size of Thomas, speed of Thomas but with better vision. Reminds me of a bigger version of the Robinson kid from SJF. His sophomore year left him ahead of the pace to break the All-Time Rushing record at Union and it seems to have motivated him. ALSO, TA (to his great credit) has taken an interest in the kid and took him under his wing this past spring and worked with him a lot and has developed such a great relationship with the kid that he has decided to pace the Union sidelines this season as an assistant coach working with the RB's. Not in a full-time capacity but will help as much as he can and his relationship with Chris can only be viewed as awesome!

reno dlippiel thinks you make some very solid points here. How can you possibly keep the all-time leading passer out of the hall of fame? dlippiel thinks maybe you can't, time will tell. Certainly his numbers make a statement and demand respect. The only thing with Marotti though that dlippiel feels has to always accompany him in a discussion is his picks. His picks were abundent at times and almost always huge momentum changers during games. dlippiel recalls both celebrating Marotti and also just hanging his head at times. To dlippiel there is no question though that Ang and Twitch were two of the most talented receivers to ever play at the U since the mid to late 80s and without them Marotti's #'s would definitely not be where they are today. Yet you could really say that about most solid QB's, that their receiving core was at least partially responsible for their success. Coney is a stud and this season is where he really needs to show it and take his game and the u to the next level. If he does the U will really be something special like I feel they will be in 09'. dlippiel feels we need to have an LLPP meeting at one of the U games this season.

[Regulator]

I fail to see why someone would LOL at that commercial.  The only part I found remotely worthy of a SEG was the part where he is dreaming a cat has his bone.

Am I missing something?

Maybe you RPI clowns just don't get 'IT'......ever worry about your Benjamin's instead of bouncy them off Ithaca grads craniums?

Its just that our stack of Benjamins is larger....no need to worry
http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/107374/do-elite-colleges-produce-the-best-paid-graduates.html?mod=edu-collegeprep

AJ- I didn't see Union anywhere on that list....can you explain?
Perhaps the $100 bill post-its are getting in the way of my monitor.

[Jonny Utah]

I fail to see why someone would LOL at that commercial.  The only part I found remotely worthy of a SEG was the part where he is dreaming a cat has his bone.

Am I missing something?

Maybe you RPI clowns just don't get 'IT'......ever worry about your Benjamin's instead of bouncy them off Ithaca grads craniums?

Its just that our stack of Benjamins is larger....no need to worry
http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/107374/do-elite-colleges-produce-the-best-paid-graduates.html?mod=edu-collegeprep

AJ- I didn't see Union anywhere on that list....can you explain?
Perhaps the $100 bill post-its are getting in the way of my monitor.

Im wondering that too.  Even Ithaca made the big list. 

(JU daydreaming of whipping crumpled up $5 bills off U89s head)

[Reno Hightower]

I fail to see why someone would LOL at that commercial.  The only part I found remotely worthy of a SEG was the part where he is dreaming a cat has his bone.

Am I missing something?

Maybe you RPI clowns just don't get 'IT'......ever worry about your Benjamin's instead of bouncy them off Ithaca grads craniums?

Its just that our stack of Benjamins is larger....no need to worry
http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/107374/do-elite-colleges-produce-the-best-paid-graduates.html?mod=edu-collegeprep

AJ- I didn't see Union anywhere on that list....can you explain?
Perhaps the $100 bill post-its are getting in the way of my monitor.

Im wondering that too.  Even Ithaca made the big list. 

(JU daydreaming of whipping crumpled up $5 bills off U89s head)

Theres a lot of schools on this list, that with Unions absence, make you scratch your head. Stony Brook. SUNY Farmingdale?
Perhaps Union did not send in statistics to participate? Schools have been known to do this......

[Jonny Utah]

I fail to see why someone would LOL at that commercial.  The only part I found remotely worthy of a SEG was the part where he is dreaming a cat has his bone.

Am I missing something?

Maybe you RPI clowns just don't get 'IT'......ever worry about your Benjamin's instead of bouncy them off Ithaca grads craniums?

Its just that our stack of Benjamins is larger....no need to worry
http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/107374/do-elite-colleges-produce-the-best-paid-graduates.html?mod=edu-collegeprep

AJ- I didn't see Union anywhere on that list....can you explain?
Perhaps the $100 bill post-its are getting in the way of my monitor.

Im wondering that too.  Even Ithaca made the big list. 

(JU daydreaming of whipping crumpled up $5 bills off U89s head)

Theres a lot of schools on this list, that with Unions absence, make you scratch your head. Stony Brook. SUNY Farmingdale?
Perhaps Union did not send in statistics to participate? Schools have been known to do this......

Look at the bottom schools on that list and its clear Union did not submit any data.

[Regulator]

It was a JOKE guys.  Have all the fumes from pumping gas screwed you up that much?

[Jonny Utah]

It was a JOKE guys.  Have all the fumes from pumping gas screwed you up that much?

_{JU does not joke on the job...}

[Garnet]

Sounds like one of those 'special' relationships...

Nice LD.

I am surprised you did not also use some of those man love pictures from Frank the Tank's old website.

[lewdogg11]

Sounds like one of those 'special' relationships...

Nice LD.

I am surprised you did not also use some of those man love pictures from Frank the Tank's old website.

Check Frank's facebook profile pic...you want manlove...look no further...

[SaintsFAN]

Sounds like one of those 'special' relationships...

Nice LD.

I am surprised you did not also use some of those man love pictures from Frank the Tank's old website.

Check Frank's facebook profile pic...you want manlove...look no further...

ouch

[JT]

Sounds like one of those 'special' relationships...

Nice LD.

I am surprised you did not also use some of those man love pictures from Frank the Tank's old website.

Did someone mention man love?

[union89]

Sounds like one of those 'special' relationships...

Nice LD.

I am surprised you did not also use some of those man love pictures from Frank the Tank's old website.

Did someone mention man love?

Funny ish.....U89 just wishes it were directed at a different school.

Damn it #11.

[Reno Hightower]

Another note on the Marotti/TA/Angiletta era of Union Football and their only winning 1 NCAA Game......

In Unions heyday, when they were truly a national power, they fielded GREAT defenses. The D when those guys were in school was not good at all. I mean in 2005 they scored 24 points against Rowan, more than Mount Union scored in the semifinals. With the Union Defenses of the 80's and 90's they would have won by 2+ TD's putting up that many points. They give up 28 to a team with a QB who looked like a JV High School QB. Kid was garbage. Granted there were turnovers involved, but you cant expect to win many playoff games giving up 28 points. Then the next year against SJF, it took Dino a little too long to realize that nobody was going to run the ball on SJF; until the Final 4 anyway. Once he opened it up Union was able to move the ball well and score a few times to make it not completely embarrassing. Problem was, once Dino figured it out (and Im not blaming him, I mean how do you not go into a game with a plan of TA getting his touches!), SJF had like 21-28 points on the board. The D I think had 1 stop the whole 1st half. PATHETIC!

Also, Union has been to 2 Staggs. In 83 I think you had to win 1 game to be in the semis. They won 2 and made the Stagg. In 89 I think they had to win 3 to get to the Finals. They did. Great job. Those are the 2 best teams ever at Union. Other than those 2 teams, the NCAA wins have been few and far between. Though a Union fan, I am forced to admit that the greatness is a little exaggerated by its Alums and Supporters. 2005 was the 3rd best season in Unions history, automatically behind 83 and 89. But they lost 1 game. So did both of those teams I believe. 1 of them may have even lost 2.

Just food for thought.

Clearly Union Football does not get the administrative support that it once enjoyed.