FB: Liberty League

[dlippiel]

IS the LL playing fantasy again, if so Superman would like another shot to beat all of you

Reno also!

Say word.  Commishinegro is working on that... probably going back to the 16 team league from a few years ago.  Be on the lookout for an email if you've played before.

dlippiel would love to participate if room allows!

[dlippiel]

How does the AD have any control about who gets into the school and who gets "passes" or not?  

(JU now thinks back to whether or not he got a "pass" when admitted to Union.)

The AD determines how many "passes" each team in his department gets. So it is his call which are the most important sports. Of course team size has to be factored in. Thus football will probably almost always have the most at any school that has such a system. The issue here is that Union used to have X and now has Z. Z being a lesser number. 20% less to be exact. Which makes a difference, in a 35 player recruiting class of say 7 kids. Multiply that over 4 years and its 28 players. Now you see where Unions Defense sucking and lack of a kicker and stuff like that being a big deal. Makes depth a big issue, which really came into play last year.

The AD does not determine whom Admissions lets into school with those "passes". He should however, be a liason between the recruiters and the admissions department should either side not be fulfilling its end of the bargain. There is a less than good relationship between Unions Admissions and these "Passes" with the Athletics teams in general right now.......thus none of the Athletic Teams at Union are really knocking the ball out of the park.

This just made me think of something.  I heard from a few sources that one of the reasons Ithaca was not invited into the LL was because of the way Ithaca budgets its athletics in terms of coaching, scheduling and roster/school size and type.  

Ithaca has 3 full time football coaches, 2 GAs, and now I beleive 2 other coaches that coach other sports or are strength coaches.  This would give it an advantage over a school like Union that doesn't  (or doesnt want to) fund the sport the same way.  Ithacas head lax coach still coaches womens soccer goalies I think.  But you can bet coach long does not let those duties intefere with his fall lax or fall recruiting duties.  The head baseball coach also only coaches baseball.

And a school size and type (northeastern surburban kids) with a population of 6,000+ (of mostly liberal arts) was also seen as a possible advantage for Ithaca.  Well not really an advantage, but at least a difference between the other schools (RPI and RITs "nerds", and Bards, Vassars, and Skidmores  "geeks") .  Ithaca has the music kids, but not at the same level of RITs or RPIs academic kids I assume.  What I mean is that schools like RPI, WPI, and RIT have specific programs that attract a specific academic interest where Ithaca usually has more general liberal arts kids that enter not knowing what the hell they want to do...JU included.  Union and Hobart are more like Ithaca in that sense, but have 1/3 of the population I believe.

The large phys ed. and excersice/phys ed/athletic training/sports science program at Ithaca was also possibly an issue (athletes will tend to be phys ed majors).

At most nescac schools, the head football coach is an assistant of another sport and vise versa (baseball/lax).  From what you are saying Reno it looks like Union is cutting back on a lot of the budget that Ithaca does not want to cut.

I could be reading into this thing too much, but I can't really see how the Union AD is doing a bad thing by trying to treat womens and mens sports teams fairly.

Well if you were to look at Coach Brown as the Womens Softball Coach who happens to be an assistant in softball then it shows that it is not fair. When he is the Softball Coach he is not expected to do any football work but in the heart of football season he is leaving the office to run an out of season practice. So is that treating men and women equally? No, its the woman's sport getting better treatment.

And is it a bad thing if he is trying to treat everyone "equal", no. But Brownie has been coaching womens softball at Union for years now. Has an amazing record. Does a fantastic job. Nobody can deny this. He did this for years without ever attending 1 fall practice. Why change this? The team is great! And it hurts football. The most important coach on staff is being pulled out of the office at crucial game planning times to run practices that he clearly does not need to run to be very very successful.

Coach Brown being the womens softball coach.....and how this has been handled is exhibit a in how the football program at union does not garner the support that it once did.

Yea a defensive coordinator should focus on football 100% during the season I agree.

dlippiel has to agree 100% here. dlippiel is amazed that a d coordinator is not 100% football during the season. Could you guys see Nate Leamen running in door girls lax practices during hockey season? Something is not right...

[Jonny Utah]

How does the AD have any control about who gets into the school and who gets "passes" or not?  

(JU now thinks back to whether or not he got a "pass" when admitted to Union.)

The AD determines how many "passes" each team in his department gets. So it is his call which are the most important sports. Of course team size has to be factored in. Thus football will probably almost always have the most at any school that has such a system. The issue here is that Union used to have X and now has Z. Z being a lesser number. 20% less to be exact. Which makes a difference, in a 35 player recruiting class of say 7 kids. Multiply that over 4 years and its 28 players. Now you see where Unions Defense sucking and lack of a kicker and stuff like that being a big deal. Makes depth a big issue, which really came into play last year.

The AD does not determine whom Admissions lets into school with those "passes". He should however, be a liason between the recruiters and the admissions department should either side not be fulfilling its end of the bargain. There is a less than good relationship between Unions Admissions and these "Passes" with the Athletics teams in general right now.......thus none of the Athletic Teams at Union are really knocking the ball out of the park.

This just made me think of something.  I heard from a few sources that one of the reasons Ithaca was not invited into the LL was because of the way Ithaca budgets its athletics in terms of coaching, scheduling and roster/school size and type.  

Ithaca has 3 full time football coaches, 2 GAs, and now I beleive 2 other coaches that coach other sports or are strength coaches.  This would give it an advantage over a school like Union that doesn't  (or doesnt want to) fund the sport the same way.  Ithacas head lax coach still coaches womens soccer goalies I think.  But you can bet coach long does not let those duties intefere with his fall lax or fall recruiting duties.  The head baseball coach also only coaches baseball.

And a school size and type (northeastern surburban kids) with a population of 6,000+ (of mostly liberal arts) was also seen as a possible advantage for Ithaca.  Well not really an advantage, but at least a difference between the other schools (RPI and RITs "nerds", and Bards, Vassars, and Skidmores  "geeks") .  Ithaca has the music kids, but not at the same level of RITs or RPIs academic kids I assume.  What I mean is that schools like RPI, WPI, and RIT have specific programs that attract a specific academic interest where Ithaca usually has more general liberal arts kids that enter not knowing what the hell they want to do...JU included.  Union and Hobart are more like Ithaca in that sense, but have 1/3 of the population I believe.

The large phys ed. and excersice/phys ed/athletic training/sports science program at Ithaca was also possibly an issue (athletes will tend to be phys ed majors).

At most nescac schools, the head football coach is an assistant of another sport and vise versa (baseball/lax).  From what you are saying Reno it looks like Union is cutting back on a lot of the budget that Ithaca does not want to cut.

I could be reading into this thing too much, but I can't really see how the Union AD is doing a bad thing by trying to treat womens and mens sports teams fairly.

Well if you were to look at Coach Brown as the Womens Softball Coach who happens to be an assistant in softball then it shows that it is not fair. When he is the Softball Coach he is not expected to do any football work but in the heart of football season he is leaving the office to run an out of season practice. So is that treating men and women equally? No, its the woman's sport getting better treatment.

And is it a bad thing if he is trying to treat everyone "equal", no. But Brownie has been coaching womens softball at Union for years now. Has an amazing record. Does a fantastic job. Nobody can deny this. He did this for years without ever attending 1 fall practice. Why change this? The team is great! And it hurts football. The most important coach on staff is being pulled out of the office at crucial game planning times to run practices that he clearly does not need to run to be very very successful.

Coach Brown being the womens softball coach.....and how this has been handled is exhibit a in how the football program at union does not garner the support that it once did.

Yea a defensive coordinator should focus on football 100% during the season I agree.

dlippiel has to agree 100% here. dlippiel is amazed that a d coordinator is not 100% football during the season. Could you guys see Nate Leamen running in door girls lax practices during hockey season? Something is not right...

I still dont know if I get that though.  I mean, he is the head coach isn't he?  Isn't it up to him whether or not to have practice?  Maybe they have fall games that require travel?  Any assistants?

[Reno Hightower]

How does the AD have any control about who gets into the school and who gets "passes" or not?  

(JU now thinks back to whether or not he got a "pass" when admitted to Union.)

The AD determines how many "passes" each team in his department gets. So it is his call which are the most important sports. Of course team size has to be factored in. Thus football will probably almost always have the most at any school that has such a system. The issue here is that Union used to have X and now has Z. Z being a lesser number. 20% less to be exact. Which makes a difference, in a 35 player recruiting class of say 7 kids. Multiply that over 4 years and its 28 players. Now you see where Unions Defense sucking and lack of a kicker and stuff like that being a big deal. Makes depth a big issue, which really came into play last year.

The AD does not determine whom Admissions lets into school with those "passes". He should however, be a liason between the recruiters and the admissions department should either side not be fulfilling its end of the bargain. There is a less than good relationship between Unions Admissions and these "Passes" with the Athletics teams in general right now.......thus none of the Athletic Teams at Union are really knocking the ball out of the park.

This just made me think of something.  I heard from a few sources that one of the reasons Ithaca was not invited into the LL was because of the way Ithaca budgets its athletics in terms of coaching, scheduling and roster/school size and type.  

Ithaca has 3 full time football coaches, 2 GAs, and now I beleive 2 other coaches that coach other sports or are strength coaches.  This would give it an advantage over a school like Union that doesn't  (or doesnt want to) fund the sport the same way.  Ithacas head lax coach still coaches womens soccer goalies I think.  But you can bet coach long does not let those duties intefere with his fall lax or fall recruiting duties.  The head baseball coach also only coaches baseball.

And a school size and type (northeastern surburban kids) with a population of 6,000+ (of mostly liberal arts) was also seen as a possible advantage for Ithaca.  Well not really an advantage, but at least a difference between the other schools (RPI and RITs "nerds", and Bards, Vassars, and Skidmores  "geeks") .  Ithaca has the music kids, but not at the same level of RITs or RPIs academic kids I assume.  What I mean is that schools like RPI, WPI, and RIT have specific programs that attract a specific academic interest where Ithaca usually has more general liberal arts kids that enter not knowing what the hell they want to do...JU included.  Union and Hobart are more like Ithaca in that sense, but have 1/3 of the population I believe.

The large phys ed. and excersice/phys ed/athletic training/sports science program at Ithaca was also possibly an issue (athletes will tend to be phys ed majors).

At most nescac schools, the head football coach is an assistant of another sport and vise versa (baseball/lax).  From what you are saying Reno it looks like Union is cutting back on a lot of the budget that Ithaca does not want to cut.

I could be reading into this thing too much, but I can't really see how the Union AD is doing a bad thing by trying to treat womens and mens sports teams fairly.

Well if you were to look at Coach Brown as the Womens Softball Coach who happens to be an assistant in softball then it shows that it is not fair. When he is the Softball Coach he is not expected to do any football work but in the heart of football season he is leaving the office to run an out of season practice. So is that treating men and women equally? No, its the woman's sport getting better treatment.

And is it a bad thing if he is trying to treat everyone "equal", no. But Brownie has been coaching womens softball at Union for years now. Has an amazing record. Does a fantastic job. Nobody can deny this. He did this for years without ever attending 1 fall practice. Why change this? The team is great! And it hurts football. The most important coach on staff is being pulled out of the office at crucial game planning times to run practices that he clearly does not need to run to be very very successful.

Coach Brown being the womens softball coach.....and how this has been handled is exhibit a in how the football program at union does not garner the support that it once did.

Yea a defensive coordinator should focus on football 100% during the season I agree.

dlippiel has to agree 100% here. dlippiel is amazed that a d coordinator is not 100% football during the season. Could you guys see Nate Leamen running in door girls lax practices during hockey season? Something is not right...

I still dont know if I get that though.  I mean, he is the head coach isn't he?  Isn't it up to him whether or not to have practice?  Maybe they have fall games that require travel?  Any assistants?

Per orders of the AD, he is required to be at all Fall Softball Practices.
Obviously was not always the case. These practices were always run by his assistant(s) in the past.

[theoriginalupstate]

Per orders of the AD, he is required to be at all Fall Softball Practices.
Obviously was not always the case. These practices were always run by his assistant(s) in the past.

Love this discussion...

However from an outsiders point of view it would be great if quotes were limited to what you're referencing, not the entire discussion...

See above...

[dlippiel]

Friday

[theoriginalupstate]

Friday

Must be Italian...

[AUPepBand]

However from an outsiders point of view it would be great if quotes were limited to what you're referencing, not the entire discussion...

You mean like THIS?   

[AUPepBand]

Per orders of the AD, he is required to be at all Fall Softball Practices.
Obviously was not always the case. These practices were always run by his assistant(s) in the past.

Love this discussion...

However from an outsiders point of view it would be great if quotes were limited to what you're referencing, not the entire discussion...

See above...

as opposed to THIS? 

[Reno Hightower]

Per orders of the AD, he is required to be at all Fall Softball Practices.
Obviously was not always the case. These practices were always run by his assistant(s) in the past.

Love this discussion...

However from an outsiders point of view it would be great if quotes were limited to what you're referencing, not the entire discussion...

See above...

Its all about taking up space to use more pages ensuring the LL maintains its sizable page lead over the E8.

[Pat Coleman]

Every page contains 15 posts, regardless of the length of the post.

['gro]

Need some LLPP input

If you're out on the town and your spot a group of 5+ guys all wearing affliction t-shirts** (and you're not at an actual UFC fight) where does that rank on the scale of douchebaggery? Rank 1-10 where:

1 =

10 =


** if you don't know what those are, consider your living area a douche free zone

[lewdogg11]

I'll go with a 12...

[JT]

Props to Jim Rice and Rickey Henderson going in next week into the HOF.  Next to Yaz, Rice was the guy JT was afraid of next.  He was a HOF guy when he retired regardless of how many writers didn't like him.  Ted Williams was surly too.

Henderson the best leadoff hitter in the game, bar none.

JT hopes that someday Munson goes in.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Props to Jim Rice and Rickey Henderson going in next week to the HOF.  Next to Yaz, Rice was the guy JT was afraid of next.  He was a HOF guy when he retired regardless of how many writers didn't like him.  Ted Williams was surly too.

Henderson the best leadoff hitter in the game, bar none.

JT hopes that someday Munson goes in.

OMG, JT and Mr. Ypsi DO agree on something!

I'm afraid it probably won't happen.  He was too overshadowed (unfairly, I think) by Johnny Bench and by Carlton Fisk (definitely unfairly, IMO), and died 4 or 5 years too early (well, 40 or 50 years too early, but 4 or 5 in terms of his baseball career).