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[JQV]

aka, stopped taking steriods.

Well, he probably lost that power down the RF line before he started taking steroids but it didn't show up until a few years ago...

[PBR...]

The mere fact that you would consider those pitches to possibly be beanballs just goes to show how soft Bud Selig's rules and YES Network broadcasts have made your brains Max and RS.

There used to be a time when you could throw over the inner-half to keep a guy like A-Rod from lunging.

PLUS, Tim McCarver may be a crazy old man but there are maybe two people on earth that knows more about beanballs than McCarver.  After all, he was in the bucket for the entire career of the game's best beanball thrower.

You act as if the pitches that hit Rodriguez were no more than an inch or so off the plate.

You're so right, Bud Selig has made my brain soft.  Bud Selig knows that the pitches that hit A-Rod were just barely off the black part of the plate.  Bud Selig makes perfect sense.

this is a joke right? pls dont tell us you really believe they were trying to hit him

[SaintsFAN]

aka, stopped taking steriods.

Well, he probably lost that power down the RF line before he started taking steroids but it didn't show up until a few years ago...

You're probably right, JQV.   Maybe Madonna put a weird spell on him while he was cheating on his wife and kid??  Or it could be the spell of the Hooter's Waitresses who were sick of getting stupid-low tips from him ---- as he's a frequent customer of that fine establishment.

[JT]

JT doesn't think A-Rod was being thrown at, especially given that Posada has been hitting well and Swisher is starting to hit.  However, it is understandable that A-Rod isn't happy about getting hit three times.

[Regulator]

Rensselaer's Jackson Highest Paid College President, Study Says

    Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) --  Shirley Ann Jackson, president of
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, was the highest paid leader of
a U.S. private college in 2008, a year in which only one Ivy
League president was among the 10 best compensated.
    Rensselaer, in Troy, New York, paid Jackson $1.6 million in
salary and benefits in the year ending June 30, 2008, according
to a survey released today by the Chronicle of Higher Education.
Columbia University, in New York, paid Lee Bollinger $1.38
million. Bollinger, in sixth place, was the best paid president
to lead one of the eight schools in the Ivy League.
**** good to know the millions gro/LD/reg contribute to RPI are going to a good cause ****

It's funny, because RPI was actually RIF'ing people last year.  They took out a fair amount of heads....

[JQV]

However, it is understandable that A-Rod isn't happy about getting hit three times.

Just for the sake of argument, why is it understandable?

It is part of the game.  You crowd the plate, you lean in, you will get hit if the pitcher comes inside.  

To me, this argument (and to be fair to JT, it is the same argumen I have heard a lot of big league hitters make in the clubhouse) is like a football player bitching about getting tackled or a hockey player complaining about getting checked.  There is no secret that you take a risk if you are going to cheat to get to the outside pitch.

[Doid23]

Rensselaer's Jackson Highest Paid College President, Study Says

    Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) --  Shirley Ann Jackson, president of
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, was the highest paid leader of
a U.S. private college in 2008, a year in which only one Ivy
League president was among the 10 best compensated.
    Rensselaer, in Troy, New York, paid Jackson $1.6 million in
salary and benefits in the year ending June 30, 2008, according
to a survey released today by the Chronicle of Higher Education.
Columbia University, in New York, paid Lee Bollinger $1.38
million. Bollinger, in sixth place, was the best paid president
to lead one of the eight schools in the Ivy League.
**** good to know the millions gro/LD/reg contribute to RPI are going to a good cause ****

It's funny, because RPI was actually RIF'ing people last year.  They took out a fair amount of heads....

$1.6 million!! WTF!! Hell, I didn't even go there, and that would p*ss me off. And 6 corporate boards probably paying another $50K each (at least)? That's just messed up. Of course, she did give back 5% of her salary last year ($80K), so...

Stranger than that is the Suffolk University dude at #2. University of Tulsa? National University? University of the Pacific? Yeh, that all sounds like money well spent.

[lewdogg11]

Rensselaer's Jackson Highest Paid College President, Study Says

    Nov. 2 (Bloomberg) --  Shirley Ann Jackson, president of
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, was the highest paid leader of
a U.S. private college in 2008, a year in which only one Ivy
League president was among the 10 best compensated.
    Rensselaer, in Troy, New York, paid Jackson $1.6 million in
salary and benefits in the year ending June 30, 2008, according
to a survey released today by the Chronicle of Higher Education.
Columbia University, in New York, paid Lee Bollinger $1.38
million. Bollinger, in sixth place, was the best paid president
to lead one of the eight schools in the Ivy League.
**** good to know the millions gro/LD/reg contribute to RPI are going to a good cause ****

It's funny, because RPI was actually RIF'ing people last year.  They took out a fair amount of heads....

$1.6 million!! WTF!! Hell, I didn't even go there, and that would p*ss me off. And 6 corporate boards probably paying another $50K each (at least)? That's just messed up. Of course, she did give back 5% of her salary last year ($80K), so...

Stranger than that is the Suffolk University dude at #2. University of Tulsa? National University? University of the Pacific? Yeh, that all sounds like money well spent.

Come on guys, cut her some slack.  After all, they did make her buy her own Pope-mobile out of pocket.

[Doid23]

However, it is understandable that A-Rod isn't happy about getting hit three times.

Just for the sake of argument, why is it understandable?

It is part of the game.  You crowd the plate, you lean in, you will get hit if the pitcher comes inside.  

To me, this argument (and to be fair to JT, it is the same argumen I have heard a lot of big league hitters make in the clubhouse) is like a football player bitching about getting tackled or a hockey player complaining about getting checked.  There is no secret that you take a risk if you are going to cheat to get to the outside pitch.

Why is it understandable? Why ISN'T it understandable, unless you just don't like the guy. I mean, would YOU be happy taking 3 90 mph fastballs to your body? In any circumstances? Wow, you guys are making me defend a guy I don't particularly like.

I personally don't believe that they were throwing at him, but I can't recall the last time I've seen ANYONE hit 3 times in 2 games. And he didn't bitch, or charge the mound, didn't point at the pitcher or yell into the dugout, just said something to the ump and went to first base. And your examples (tackled or checking) are different matters entirely. If he complained about a hard slide by a runner at third, or the catcher blocking the plate, that would be the same as your example. A better example would be getting three high sticking or charging penalties against you in 6 shifts in hockey, THAT would be the same.

And with the amount of inside heat he's been seeing, I don't agree that he's "cheating" on the outside pitch. No more than any other player does. I've seen much much worse examples of players crowding the plate, and I've never seen them get hit 3 times in 6 AB's.

[JQV]

I've seen much much worse examples of players crowding the plate, and I've never seen them get hit 3 times in 6 AB's.

Then you aren't watching enough baseball.  He's getting hit a lot in this series because the advance book on him says that he is killing pitches over the outer-half.  Look at all this post-season dingers.  How many went down the LF line.  He is hitting the ball out to Center, to the alley in Left Center (that happens to also have the jet stream behind it) and down the RF line.  The only way to counter that as a pitcher is to pitch him in, get off the plate in, and jam him.

The hockey example is a red herring because high-sticking and chargine are illegal.  Throwing inside is not illegal in baseball.

['gro]

hmmmm talk about beisbol or Ms. Jackson's salary...

Shirley did help rake in over a billion for the school so you could say she's creating some value. I'm not saying she deserves $1.6 million, but I understand.

On the other hand, Gro does not understand the board of directors thing, not just for Shirley but in general. Shouldn't a college president or CEO have their hands full with their regular job? Some of these BoD positions create conflicts of interest too. These cats are probably getting more than $50k compensation for sitting on the BoD too, think of all the free lunches!

[PBR...]

However, it is understandable that A-Rod isn't happy about getting hit three times.

Just for the sake of argument, why is it understandable?

It is part of the game.  You crowd the plate, you lean in, you will get hit if the pitcher comes inside.  

To me, this argument (and to be fair to JT, it is the same argumen I have heard a lot of big league hitters make in the clubhouse) is like a football player bitching about getting tackled or a hockey player complaining about getting checked.  There is no secret that you take a risk if you are going to cheat to get to the outside pitch.

Why is it understandable? Why ISN'T it understandable, unless you just don't like the guy. I mean, would YOU be happy taking 3 90 mph fastballs to your body? In any circumstances? Wow, you guys are making me defend a guy I don't particularly like.

I personally don't believe that they were throwing at him, but I can't recall the last time I've seen ANYONE hit 3 times in 2 games. And he didn't bitch, or charge the mound, didn't point at the pitcher or yell into the dugout, just said something to the ump and went to first base. And your examples (tackled or checking) are different matters entirely. If he complained about a hard slide by a runner at third, or the catcher blocking the plate, that would be the same as your example. A better example would be getting three high sticking or charging penalties against you in 6 shifts in hockey, THAT would be the same.

And with the amount of inside heat he's been seeing, I don't agree that he's "cheating" on the outside pitch. No more than any other player does. I've seen much much worse examples of players crowding the plate, and I've never seen them get hit 3 times in 6 AB's.

oh pls...bonds got tagged constantly, he crowded the plate constantly. he knew it was part of the game. hence why he looked like a football player w/ all the body armor he wore at bat. if you crowd the plate your protecting against the outside pitch so the scouting reports will be to bust you inside and not let your arms extend hence where the power comes from....chase utley leads the league or is at the top every year. you never hear him complain because he has stated/knows its part of the game. utley crowds the plate and knows  it come w/ the territory. utley has been almost hit 3 times this series but actually got out of the way (i was yelling for him to take the hbp) yes a-roid didnt charge the mound but to stand there w/ your back turned for 2 minutes was ridiculous! he is a prima donna and wants us all to bow down so he can tea bag us....screw him

[JT]

However, it is understandable that A-Rod isn't happy about getting hit three times.

Just for the sake of argument, why is it understandable?

It is part of the game.  You crowd the plate, you lean in, you will get hit if the pitcher comes inside.  

To me, this argument (and to be fair to JT, it is the same argumen I have heard a lot of big league hitters make in the clubhouse) is like a football player bitching about getting tackled or a hockey player complaining about getting checked.  There is no secret that you take a risk if you are going to cheat to get to the outside pitch.

I used to hit about a batter a game though HS. So I know the deal.  Doesn't mean A-Rod has to like it. The bench warning was wrong, because it took away the Yankees ability to do the same thing to say... Utley.

[JQV]

The bench warning was wrong, because it took away the Yankees ability to do the same thing to say... Utley.

For once, you and I agree 100%.  Unfortunately, Queen Selig has taken away the ump's discretion in such situations.  Bench warnings are totally not necessary.

[SaintsFAN]

And he didn't bitch, or charge the mound, didn't point at the pitcher or yell into the dugout, just said something to the ump and went to first base.

This is it for me and then I'll drop it... but ARod did b!tch about it to the Home Plate Umpire (prompted them to consult with one another and then issue the warning to both teams).  He also said something to the 2B umpire upon reaching 2B shortly after that.  

What was said?  We can't tell, but IMO --- his primadonna attitude makes this viewer think he was still complaining about getting hit/both teams being warned.  BUT, if he doesn't turn to his dugout for 30 seconds after being hit ---- the Umpires probably don't call out the warning.  This could have affected CC Sabathia's approach to right-handed hitters, as he also needs to pitch inside to them to establish the outside half of the plate/brush back hitters who lean over the plate.  

Its not a softball game --- the pitchers have a right to establish where they are going to pitch.  Thats just my opinoin anyhow.  Do I like ARod?  No.  Am I giving him a little bit harder of a time?  Maybe .... but at this point with his actions on/off the field (in addition to his contract), I don't feel like I can give him any benefit of the doubt.

Remember, this was a guy who let his agent alert the press to his decision to opt-out of the previous contract he had ---- during the World Series.   Players are NOT bigger than the game.