FB: Liberty League

[Doid23]

JT thinks Girardi just over managed tonight.  This was a throw a way game.  Let the Phils waste their best pitcher and throw Gaudin.  Then you have AJ on full rest for game 6 and Pettite/CC for game 7. Now he's weakened his pitching options heading back NY.

Agreed, it could have been Lee vs. Gaudin, Full Rest Becket vs. Pedro, Full Rest Pettitte/ Short rest CC vs. Happ or Hamels, I would have taken the Yankees 2 of 3. Lee vs. Short rest Becket, Short Rest Petitte vs. Pedro, back to back Short rest CC vs. Happ or Hamels, a little shakier proposal in my mind.

['gro]

If this beisbol talk continues, 3G3 will have no choice but to go awol.

[lewdogg11]

If this beisbol talk continues, 3G3 will have no choice but to go awol.

Sweet!  Finally!!!  Later Gro.

[PBR...]

If this beisbol talk continues, 3G3 will have no choice but to go awol.

noticed this was by far the quietest 3G3 has ever been last week leading up to the shoes game....usually it was game on for talking 'ish. 3G3 fading back to puppy dawgs and ice cream again?

[pumkinattack]

Is it any fun to talk trash about this week's game or no, since both Bart and RPI are fighting for a winning record?

['gro]

If this beisbol talk continues, 3G3 will have no choice but to go awol.

Sweet!  Finally!!!  Later Gro.

F-You, F-You, F-You, you're cool, and F-You. Peace I'm out!

[SaintsFAN]

Hobart '89 grad and (former) Brown's GM canned:

Browns fire GM Kokinis



Funny how Mangini gets to stick around but the GM gets canned after 9 mos.

its not just that they canned him but 1st asked him to resign.... he said no.

it is said by the Cleveland Plain-Dealer that the Owner has fired him with cause (assuming to not pay him) and now Cleveland Security is looking for "Just Cause" by going through phone records and his computer.  Weird.

[AUPepBand]

Is the LL football season over?

We just assumed since everyone has written off any and every LL football team (and east region team for that matter), that they were just going to cancel the rest of the season.  It's either that or they're going to import 8 teams from the South/ North, and export all of the east teams out of region.

I wouldn't look at the top 25 and count the East out yet. This ain't the BCS.

Said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. That's the point, looking at the Top 25, you'd think that they consider the east Division IV.

Pep contends that D3football.com voters don't have a "traditional" East power, a program that is in the NCAAs year-in and year-out, that is leading the East this season. Were the records switched and Ithaca were 7-0 right now and Alfred 5-3, the Bombers would be right up there. Heck, weren't they as high as #8 early this season? By now, if undefeated, they certainly would have made moves toward the top four or five. Hobart has certainly been there and was getting lots of early season votes. Same could be said for St. John Fisher. Alfred and Albright have not been on the national scene...Del Valley, with a solid resume, has, and despite one loss, gets more votes than the A-teams.

Same could be said for the one-time "Beast of the East" Rowan. Had Rowan beaten Cortland (and Kean) this year, they'd certainly be pretty high on the list.

Another thing to consider...the bulk of D3 football programs ARE in the East Region, which makes recruiting a dogfight (with apologies to Michael Vick). D3 programs in other parts of the country, Pep would theorize, have less competition in recruiting top talent.

But were an East Region team to just go and win out.....including the Stagg Bowl, perhaps NCAA selection officials would look upon the East Region a bit differently, no?

Just some rambling here from Pep....

On Saxon Warriors!

EDIT: Pep must have posted this on the wrong thread. This is the baseball thread, isn't it!   Sorry, guys....

[JT]

JT thinks Girardi just over managed tonight.  This was a throw a way game.  Let the Phils waste their best pitcher and throw Gaudin.  Then you have AJ on full rest for game 6 and Pettite/CC for game 7. Now he's weakened his pitching options heading back NY.

could be and now with rain in the forecast the yankme's better win game 6 because lee is back in the picture if thursday night gets rained out and phils would have all the mo' and lee going in game 7....and A-roid is an azz...any guy who has a life size picture of himself on the ceiling as a centaur above his bed and pictures of himself all around his house deserves whatever life ish the fans give him.

Girardi gave the Phils a crack with which to sneak through.  If the Yanks lose... he's the goat.

[SaintsFAN]

Luckily the rankings don't mean squat when it comes to getting into the Tournament, fellas.  I love the POOL A system that gets the conference winners into the dance.

[PBR...]

Is the LL football season over?

We just assumed since everyone has written off any and every LL football team (and east region team for that matter), that they were just going to cancel the rest of the season.  It's either that or they're going to import 8 teams from the South/ North, and export all of the east teams out of region.

I wouldn't look at the top 25 and count the East out yet. This ain't the BCS.

Said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. That's the point, looking at the Top 25, you'd think that they consider the east Division IV.

Pep contends that D3football.com voters don't have a "traditional" East power, a program that is in the NCAAs year-in and year-out, that is leading the East this season. Were the records switched and Ithaca were 7-0 right now and Alfred 5-3, the Bombers would be right up there. Heck, weren't they as high as #8 early this season? By now, if undefeated, they certainly would have made moves toward the top four or five. Hobart has certainly been there and was getting lots of early season votes. Same could be said for St. John Fisher. Alfred and Albright have not been on the national scene...Del Valley, with a solid resume, has, and despite one loss, gets more votes than the A-teams.

Same could be said for the one-time "Beast of the East" Rowan. Had Rowan beaten Cortland (and Kean) this year, they'd certainly be pretty high on the list.

Another thing to consider...the bulk of D3 football programs ARE in the East Region, which makes recruiting a dogfight (with apologies to Michael Vick). D3 programs in other parts of the country, Pep would theorize, have less competition in recruiting top talent.

But were an East Region team to just go and win out.....including the Stagg Bowl, perhaps NCAA selection officials would look upon the East Region a bit differently, no?

Just some rambling here from Pep....

On Saxon Warriors!

EDIT: Pep must have posted this on the wrong thread. This is the baseball thread, isn't it!   Sorry, guys....

your right about the recruiting...pennsylvania has 3 D-IA programs, and a total ish load of divI-AA, div II, div III schools that all pool from the talent pool. pbr has seen it written (i havent verified it yet) ohio has much less of a competition in the middle tiers of schools i.e. div I-AA, div II, III schools. so if your a recruit and osu/cincinnati/akron dont wont you there isnt a whole lot to fall back on in the middle level schools so you can go to mt. union and win a national championship or  wallow in one of their small mid tier schools. again havent completely verified the numbers and schools but have seen it discussed numerous times and different places.  

[dlippiel]

Is the LL football season over?

We just assumed since everyone has written off any and every LL football team (and east region team for that matter), that they were just going to cancel the rest of the season.  It's either that or they're going to import 8 teams from the South/ North, and export all of the east teams out of region.

I wouldn't look at the top 25 and count the East out yet. This ain't the BCS.

Said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. That's the point, looking at the Top 25, you'd think that they consider the east Division IV.

Pep contends that D3football.com voters don't have a "traditional" East power, a program that is in the NCAAs year-in and year-out, that is leading the East this season. Were the records switched and Ithaca were 7-0 right now and Alfred 5-3, the Bombers would be right up there. Heck, weren't they as high as #8 early this season? By now, if undefeated, they certainly would have made moves toward the top four or five. Hobart has certainly been there and was getting lots of early season votes. Same could be said for St. John Fisher. Alfred and Albright have not been on the national scene...Del Valley, with a solid resume, has, and despite one loss, gets more votes than the A-teams.

Same could be said for the one-time "Beast of the East" Rowan. Had Rowan beaten Cortland (and Kean) this year, they'd certainly be pretty high on the list.

Another thing to consider...the bulk of D3 football programs ARE in the East Region, which makes recruiting a dogfight (with apologies to Michael Vick). D3 programs in other parts of the country, Pep would theorize, have less competition in recruiting top talent.

But were an East Region team to just go and win out.....including the Stagg Bowl, perhaps NCAA selection officials would look upon the East Region a bit differently, no?

Just some rambling here from Pep....

On Saxon Warriors!

EDIT: Pep must have posted this on the wrong thread. This is the baseball thread, isn't it!   Sorry, guys....

Honestly dlip feels the eastern teams aren't getting much "poll love" (dlip loves saying that) as a result of the pollsters being so ****in far off with thier early season rankings of Ithaca and Cortland St. Both teams were in the preseason top ten and both teams turned out to not be very good. Hence for an Eastern team to make it up into the higer epcilan of the poll they must prove a ton to these voters, probably even more than their schedules allow them to (ex. Alfred, Albright, Kean)

[JT]

Hobart '89 grad and (former) Brown's GM canned:

Browns fire GM Kokinis



Funny how Mangini gets to stick around but the GM gets canned after 9 mos.

its not just that they canned him but 1st asked him to resign.... he said no.

it is said by the Cleveland Plain-Dealer that the Owner has fired him with cause (assuming to not pay him) and now Cleveland Security is looking for "Just Cause" by going through phone records and his computer.  Weird.

With all football ops pros like Charlie Casserly sitting on the sidelines or doing TV, why hire dopes like Mangini et al. Geez, Cleveland had their pocket picked twice this year by the Jets: Sanchez and Edwards.  You don't have to love your head coach, but you need to respect him to be successful.  The Browns players hate Mangini and they don't respect him.

[lewdogg11]

You guys got it all wrong as far as the Top 25 goes...If it's not Ithaca or SJF or Cortland having a good season, the pollsters do not vote them in.  These guys are creatures of habit.  The Top 10 is pretty static each year with the same teams, no parity, etc. <Yawn> The East is different, and if there is a changing of the guard, even if for only 1 year, there is no 'poll love' until that team does it several years in a row or makes a deep run in the playoffs.  Those guys are stubborn and don't like to change their early season choices.  Alfred has proven to be better than #25, and there isn't a person out there who opens his ****ing eyes that can say anything different...Unfortunately, the eyes aren't open.

Alfred has beaten teams that these clowns had in the Top 15 early in the year, and they are still bringing up the rear.  It's ridiculous...but expected.

[SaintsFAN]

your right about the recruiting...pennsylvania has 3 D-IA programs, and a total ish load of divI-AA, div II, div III schools that all pool from the talent pool. pbr has seen it written (i havent verified it yet) ohio has much less of a competition in the middle tiers of schools i.e. div I-AA, div II, III schools. so if your a recruit and osu/cincinnati/akron dont wont you there isnt a whole lot to fall back on in the middle level schools so you can go to mt. union and win a national championship or  wallow in one of their small mid tier schools. again havent completely verified the numbers and schools but have seen it discussed numerous times and different places.  

pbr --- there aren't many DII schools in Ohio but that isn't the issue.  There are a TON of D3 schools in Ohio who compete with eachother to get the kids.  Plus the MAC schools are really focusing efforts on keeping kids from Ohio in the state.  It all adds up to a very competitive recruiting period.  SF has friends who are recruiting coordinators for schools at D3 level and they describe it as more competitive than the games they play in the fall --- which to SF, is saying something.