FB: Liberty League

[Yanks 99]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

And if the Phils did the same thing or the Sox then people wouldn't be bitching.

What people forget is when Baseball was implementing revenue sharing Steinbrenner bitched about having to share his money with other teams, but the main reason for his bitching was he wanted to ensure that the teams had to spend the money on the teams but the other owners did not want that restriction. 

Baseball does need a salary cap but they also need a salary floor to prevent teams from selling off all the talent so the owners can pocket more money.

agree wholeheartedly KS....and pbr is b|tching...said earlier pbr likes having lee but it isnt right.....its not like phils drafted him or made a equal trade for him. the indians had to trade him because they know they would get nothing for him next year leading into his free agency year. its ridiculous that teams now have to structure their rosters this way. much like the nfl they need a cap/floor plus revenue sharing. shame such a great game is losing fans as each generation moves on....

He'll look as wonderful as the rest in a Yankee uni next year.

You are probably right...too bad the Red Sox won't make a play for him since they never go after big time free agents and spend a boat load of money either.

Pot, meet kettle...

[SaintsFAN]

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read agreat article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

The mistake by the lake is a cesspool anyhow --- they don't deserve a baseball or football team.  they are lucky King James was drafted by the Cavs or they'd be completely neutered in the sports world and SF loves to see this.  DLIP Cleveland.

[lewdogg11]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

And if the Phils did the same thing or the Sox then people wouldn't be bitching.

What people forget is when Baseball was implementing revenue sharing Steinbrenner bitched about having to share his money with other teams, but the main reason for his bitching was he wanted to ensure that the teams had to spend the money on the teams but the other owners did not want that restriction. 

Baseball does need a salary cap but they also need a salary floor to prevent teams from selling off all the talent so the owners can pocket more money.

agree wholeheartedly KS....and pbr is b|tching...said earlier pbr likes having lee but it isnt right.....its not like phils drafted him or made a equal trade for him. the indians had to trade him because they know they would get nothing for him next year leading into his free agency year. its ridiculous that teams now have to structure their rosters this way. much like the nfl they need a cap/floor plus revenue sharing. shame such a great game is losing fans as each generation moves on....

He'll look as wonderful as the rest in a Yankee uni next year.

You are probably right...too bad the Red Sox won't make a play for him since they never go after big time free agents and spend a boat load of money either.

Pot, meet kettle...

They do.  And most times they end up giving up, around the $20-$25million mark.

[SaintsFAN]

absolutely it was necessary...the pirates have several very good young players on the current roster and 1-2 more coming up next year. they know they wont be able to keep them all so in order to sign a few of them to longer term deals they had to clear as much as possible off their current payroll. 

FACT:  Yankees fans are Cardinals/Astros/Cubs/Brewers/Reds fans from April - July .... to make sure the Pirates are out of the race.  Its science.

[Yanks 99]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

And if the Phils did the same thing or the Sox then people wouldn't be bitching.

What people forget is when Baseball was implementing revenue sharing Steinbrenner bitched about having to share his money with other teams, but the main reason for his bitching was he wanted to ensure that the teams had to spend the money on the teams but the other owners did not want that restriction. 

Baseball does need a salary cap but they also need a salary floor to prevent teams from selling off all the talent so the owners can pocket more money.

agree wholeheartedly KS....and pbr is b|tching...said earlier pbr likes having lee but it isnt right.....its not like phils drafted him or made a equal trade for him. the indians had to trade him because they know they would get nothing for him next year leading into his free agency year. its ridiculous that teams now have to structure their rosters this way. much like the nfl they need a cap/floor plus revenue sharing. shame such a great game is losing fans as each generation moves on....

He'll look as wonderful as the rest in a Yankee uni next year.

You are probably right...too bad the Red Sox won't make a play for him since they never go after big time free agents and spend a boat load of money either.

Pot, meet kettle...

They do.  And most times they end up giving up, around the $20-$25million mark.

Poor guys...

[Doid23]

Dude, you know dlip was being sarcastic here. Now here is where Dogg should have hammered dlip. This was a sarcastic bitch post where dlip was being a baby, sorry fellas!

Dlip, trust me, I know sarcasm, just having a little fun. As much as I love the Yankees, many friends (even U89) and family who are Red Sox fans, just makes the back and forth fun. I'd expect sh*t the other way, and would have to take it. Hell, without this, I'd have to argue with my wife. This is much more civilized than that.

Now it's time to focus on taking down the Mighty Mike Toop's, and try to beat the Sasquatch. And let Gro get away from beisbol until next fall.

[lewdogg11]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

And if the Phils did the same thing or the Sox then people wouldn't be bitching.

What people forget is when Baseball was implementing revenue sharing Steinbrenner bitched about having to share his money with other teams, but the main reason for his bitching was he wanted to ensure that the teams had to spend the money on the teams but the other owners did not want that restriction. 

Baseball does need a salary cap but they also need a salary floor to prevent teams from selling off all the talent so the owners can pocket more money.

agree wholeheartedly KS....and pbr is b|tching...said earlier pbr likes having lee but it isnt right.....its not like phils drafted him or made a equal trade for him. the indians had to trade him because they know they would get nothing for him next year leading into his free agency year. its ridiculous that teams now have to structure their rosters this way. much like the nfl they need a cap/floor plus revenue sharing. shame such a great game is losing fans as each generation moves on....

He'll look as wonderful as the rest in a Yankee uni next year.

You are probably right...too bad the Red Sox won't make a play for him since they never go after big time free agents and spend a boat load of money either.

Pot, meet kettle...

They do.  And most times they end up giving up, around the $20-$25million mark.

Poor guys...

That was actually a direct shot at another team.  Poor guys.

['gro]

The beisbol is for La-Hoo... Se-Hers...

[Yanks 99]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

And if the Phils did the same thing or the Sox then people wouldn't be bitching.

What people forget is when Baseball was implementing revenue sharing Steinbrenner bitched about having to share his money with other teams, but the main reason for his bitching was he wanted to ensure that the teams had to spend the money on the teams but the other owners did not want that restriction. 

Baseball does need a salary cap but they also need a salary floor to prevent teams from selling off all the talent so the owners can pocket more money.

agree wholeheartedly KS....and pbr is b|tching...said earlier pbr likes having lee but it isnt right.....its not like phils drafted him or made a equal trade for him. the indians had to trade him because they know they would get nothing for him next year leading into his free agency year. its ridiculous that teams now have to structure their rosters this way. much like the nfl they need a cap/floor plus revenue sharing. shame such a great game is losing fans as each generation moves on....

He'll look as wonderful as the rest in a Yankee uni next year.

You are probably right...too bad the Red Sox won't make a play for him since they never go after big time free agents and spend a boat load of money either.

Pot, meet kettle...

They do.  And most times they end up giving up, around the $20-$25million mark.

Poor guys...

That was actually a direct shot at another team.  Poor guys.

Oh I got the joke...didn't need a Harvard degree for that one...

If you were a Pirates, Marlins, or Nationals fan...I would have some sympathy for you...but the fact that you are about to offer Jason Bay twice the payroll of any of these teams makes it just sound like sour grapes...and like listening to my brother-in-law (who also happens to be a Red Sox fan).  How can you as a Red Sox fan complain?  The Yanks spend an obscene amount of money...so what does that leave for the Sox...a tremendous amount of money?

[lewdogg11]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

And if the Phils did the same thing or the Sox then people wouldn't be bitching.

What people forget is when Baseball was implementing revenue sharing Steinbrenner bitched about having to share his money with other teams, but the main reason for his bitching was he wanted to ensure that the teams had to spend the money on the teams but the other owners did not want that restriction. 

Baseball does need a salary cap but they also need a salary floor to prevent teams from selling off all the talent so the owners can pocket more money.

agree wholeheartedly KS....and pbr is b|tching...said earlier pbr likes having lee but it isnt right.....its not like phils drafted him or made a equal trade for him. the indians had to trade him because they know they would get nothing for him next year leading into his free agency year. its ridiculous that teams now have to structure their rosters this way. much like the nfl they need a cap/floor plus revenue sharing. shame such a great game is losing fans as each generation moves on....

He'll look as wonderful as the rest in a Yankee uni next year.

You are probably right...too bad the Red Sox won't make a play for him since they never go after big time free agents and spend a boat load of money either.

Pot, meet kettle...

They do.  And most times they end up giving up, around the $20-$25million mark.

Poor guys...

That was actually a direct shot at another team.  Poor guys.

Oh I got the joke...didn't need a Harvard degree for that one...

If you were a Pirates, Marlins, or Nationals fan...I would have some sympathy for you...but the fact that you are about to offer Jason Bay twice the payroll of any of these teams makes it just sound like sour grapes...and like listening to my brother-in-law (who also happens to be a Red Sox fan).  How can you as a Red Sox fan complain?  The Yanks spend an obscene amount of money...so what does that leave for the Sox...a tremendous amount of money?

Hey, you want to talk even money?  $80million more dollars?  That's pretty much the 4 best players money can buy.  Wonder what would happen then?

[Yanks 99]

quote author=Terd Fergusen link=topic=4728.msg1124025#msg1124025 date=1257454309]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

And if the Phils did the same thing or the Sox then people wouldn't be bitching.

What people forget is when Baseball was implementing revenue sharing Steinbrenner bitched about having to share his money with other teams, but the main reason for his bitching was he wanted to ensure that the teams had to spend the money on the teams but the other owners did not want that restriction. 

Baseball does need a salary cap but they also need a salary floor to prevent teams from selling off all the talent so the owners can pocket more money.

agree wholeheartedly KS....and pbr is b|tching...said earlier pbr likes having lee but it isnt right.....its not like phils drafted him or made a equal trade for him. the indians had to trade him because they know they would get nothing for him next year leading into his free agency year. its ridiculous that teams now have to structure their rosters this way. much like the nfl they need a cap/floor plus revenue sharing. shame such a great game is losing fans as each generation moves on....

He'll look as wonderful as the rest in a Yankee uni next year.

You are probably right...too bad the Red Sox won't make a play for him since they never go after big time free agents and spend a boat load of money either.

Pot, meet kettle...

They do.  And most times they end up giving up, around the $20-$25million mark.

Poor guys...

That was actually a direct shot at another team.  Poor guys.

Oh I got the joke...didn't need a Harvard degree for that one...

If you were a Pirates, Marlins, or Nationals fan...I would have some sympathy for you...but the fact that you are about to offer Jason Bay twice the payroll of any of these teams makes it just sound like sour grapes...and like listening to my brother-in-law (who also happens to be a Red Sox fan).  How can you as a Red Sox fan complain?  The Yanks spend an obscene amount of money...so what does that leave for the Sox...a tremendous amount of money?

Hey, you want to talk even money?  $80million more dollars?  That's pretty much the 4 best players money can buy.  Wonder what would happen then?
[/quote]

When you spend way more money then 90% of the other teams...it is kind of hard to bitch at the top dog.

Build a bigger stadium and start the RES Network and you can spend more money...

[lewdogg11]

I'm done with this conversation anyway.  1. I don't really care about it, or baseball all that much these days, and 2.  You can never 'win' and argument against arrogant a-hole Yankee fans.  

I concede.

[Yanks 99]

I'm done with this conversation anyway.  1. I don't really care about it, or baseball all that much these days, and 2.  You can never 'win' and argument against arrogant a-hole Yankee fans.  

I concede.

Sweet...I win...

And they don't call 'em Mass-holes for nothing...

[PBR...]

7 dead and 12 wounded at ft. hood texas on the military base...1 shooter captured and 1 surrounded and 1 on the loose...all the schools on the base are in lockdown...special ops now running after the people....crazy sad day  down there keep them all in our thoughts

[Doid23]

By the way, what in the name of Jim Grey has happened to the classy post game interview? First of all, this whole podium on the outfield/ midfield/ center court interview and trophy presentation just sucks, put it back in the clubhouse where it belongs. Akward interviews should not be transmitted to an entire stadium. Secondly, can't anyone be allowed to enjoy winning a WS, or Super Bowl, or whatever, without some a**hat talking about "you're contract's up", or about steroid allegations, or cheating, or whatever "serious journalism" they're trying to pawn off on us? I'm hoping that Matsui said "shut the dlip up, you pseudo reporter, go cover the war if you want to report real news, this is sports, I just won the dlipping WS, and your no better than the society reporter",  and that his interpreter cleaned it up for him. And thirdly, could someone kick Bloomberg out of the group? Listen, you're the richest mfer up there, you could actually buy and sell the lot of them, just act cool rather than trying to get your mug on TV. And while there at it, stop showing dlipping Gulianni and that dlipping rat he's dating.