FB: Liberty League

[Jonny Utah]

And Id have to add that Union is probably a totally different team without Coney.  He seemed to me like the type of back that really found his own holes a lot of the time.  And not because the line couldn't block for him, just because he is a good cutback runner.

[PBR...]

a nice pic and start to your thanksgiving holiday compliments of pbr...

http://www.southernpigskin.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/3178/

[PBR...]

imho not the way to fire a coach and his staff....the guy is on the field coaching the final game of the season and h.r. and admin people are confiscating the head coach and staffs computers and files. then packed up their offices and as they walked off the field after the game was told he had to meet w/ h.r. in 10 mins... and didnt let him  or the staff attend the seniors banquet that night. wtf? way wrong it doesnt look like this guy did anything wrong other than give what 20+ years of his life to the school...

http://adriancollegeworld.com/2009/11/19/ac-dismisses-veteran-head-coach-jim-lyall-after-36-years-served-20-years-as-head-coach/

[Yanks 99]

imho not the way to fire a coach and his staff....the guy is on the field coaching the final game of the season and h.r. and admin people are confiscating the head coach and staffs computers and files. then packed up their offices and as they walked off the field after the game was told he had to meet w/ h.r. in 10 mins... and didnt let him  or the staff attend the seniors banquet that night. wtf? way wrong it doesnt look like this guy did anything wrong other than give what 20+ years of his life to the school...

http://adriancollegeworld.com/2009/11/19/ac-dismisses-veteran-head-coach-jim-lyall-after-36-years-served-20-years-as-head-coach/

Total BS...this isn't DI football...and it sounds like he was doing ok there.  If I was one of the seniors there, I would do everything in my power to make sure that they never received a dime of alumni support money.

[Jonny Utah]

imho not the way to fire a coach and his staff....the guy is on the field coaching the final game of the season and h.r. and admin people are confiscating the head coach and staffs computers and files. then packed up their offices and as they walked off the field after the game was told he had to meet w/ h.r. in 10 mins... and didnt let him  or the staff attend the seniors banquet that night. wtf? way wrong it doesnt look like this guy did anything wrong other than give what 20+ years of his life to the school...

http://adriancollegeworld.com/2009/11/19/ac-dismisses-veteran-head-coach-jim-lyall-after-36-years-served-20-years-as-head-coach/

Total BS...this isn't DI football...and it sounds like he was doing ok there.  If I was one of the seniors there, I would do everything in my power to make sure that they never received a dime of alumni support money.

The HR guy did say there were issues he didn't want to discuss though.  We don't really know what those issues are.

[SaintsFAN]

imho not the way to fire a coach and his staff....the guy is on the field coaching the final game of the season and h.r. and admin people are confiscating the head coach and staffs computers and files. then packed up their offices and as they walked off the field after the game was told he had to meet w/ h.r. in 10 mins... and didnt let him  or the staff attend the seniors banquet that night. wtf? way wrong it doesnt look like this guy did anything wrong other than give what 20+ years of his life to the school...

http://adriancollegeworld.com/2009/11/19/ac-dismisses-veteran-head-coach-jim-lyall-after-36-years-served-20-years-as-head-coach/

pbr, thats very messed up.  SF's alma mater (which is better than yours pbr) played Adrian a few times around the turn of the century (can we really say that?), and found them to be well coached.  Nothing embarrassing about his conduct or the team ---and the kids graduated.  What else do you want?  

FYI -- they are in a weaker conference, that until this year, hadn't won a playoff game since Albion won one in 1994 (national title year for the Britons).  So its not like they are playing a DVC or MUC in their conference.. and Adrian was respected under him.  

SF hates seeing coaches let go like this in D3.... its freakin D3... not D1 !!!

[PBR...]

imho not the way to fire a coach and his staff....the guy is on the field coaching the final game of the season and h.r. and admin people are confiscating the head coach and staffs computers and files. then packed up their offices and as they walked off the field after the game was told he had to meet w/ h.r. in 10 mins... and didnt let him  or the staff attend the seniors banquet that night. wtf? way wrong it doesnt look like this guy did anything wrong other than give what 20+ years of his life to the school...

http://adriancollegeworld.com/2009/11/19/ac-dismisses-veteran-head-coach-jim-lyall-after-36-years-served-20-years-as-head-coach/

Total BS...this isn't DI football...and it sounds like he was doing ok there.  If I was one of the seniors there, I would do everything in my power to make sure that they never received a dime of alumni support money.

The HR guy did say there were issues he didn't want to discuss though.  We don't really know what those issues are.

total b.s. in pbr's opinion....if there was fire it would of come out by now that same person was also quoted as saying "how they wanted more intensity on the field and now we are going to get a championship..."     sounds like many players/parents/students/alumni are very ticked off by the whole thing. the guy gives 36 years of his life to coaching there and that is how you treat him? the guy had a winning record!  also to pbr if he did something wrong he wouldnt be hired or allowed to coach again and it looks like he is going to actively seek another head coaching position.

[Yanks 99]

imho not the way to fire a coach and his staff....the guy is on the field coaching the final game of the season and h.r. and admin people are confiscating the head coach and staffs computers and files. then packed up their offices and as they walked off the field after the game was told he had to meet w/ h.r. in 10 mins... and didnt let him  or the staff attend the seniors banquet that night. wtf? way wrong it doesnt look like this guy did anything wrong other than give what 20+ years of his life to the school...

http://adriancollegeworld.com/2009/11/19/ac-dismisses-veteran-head-coach-jim-lyall-after-36-years-served-20-years-as-head-coach/

Total BS...this isn't DI football...and it sounds like he was doing ok there.  If I was one of the seniors there, I would do everything in my power to make sure that they never received a dime of alumni support money.

The HR guy did say there were issues he didn't want to discuss though.  We don't really know what those issues are.

Good point...I am presuming that this was simply a switch to improve their league record...and not some sort of scandal behind the scene.

[PBR...]

imho not the way to fire a coach and his staff....the guy is on the field coaching the final game of the season and h.r. and admin people are confiscating the head coach and staffs computers and files. then packed up their offices and as they walked off the field after the game was told he had to meet w/ h.r. in 10 mins... and didnt let him  or the staff attend the seniors banquet that night. wtf? way wrong it doesnt look like this guy did anything wrong other than give what 20+ years of his life to the school...

http://adriancollegeworld.com/2009/11/19/ac-dismisses-veteran-head-coach-jim-lyall-after-36-years-served-20-years-as-head-coach/

Total BS...this isn't DI football...and it sounds like he was doing ok there.  If I was one of the seniors there, I would do everything in my power to make sure that they never received a dime of alumni support money.

The HR guy did say there were issues he didn't want to discuss though.  We don't really know what those issues are.

Good point...I am presuming that this was simply a switch to improve their league record...and not some sort of scandal behind the scene.

exactly if he was accused of a physical altercation w/ a player or something sexual w/ a student etc... imho it would of floated to the surface by now and you wouldnt of had this outpouring of affection by players/students etc...

[PBR...]

btw just wanted to wish all the LLPP'rs a Happy Thanksgiving. +k to everyone for keepin' it real and making pbr LOL many times. So safe travels to everyone going home for the holidays and enjoy the time w/ family and friends. Pbr has lost several close friends in the past year suddenly so enjoy the time we all have here as tomorrow is not promised to you.

lamp is lit...

[TheGrove]

btw just wanted to wish all the LLPP'rs a Happy Thanksgiving. +k to everyone for keepin' it real and making pbr LOL many times. So safe travels to everyone going home for the holidays and enjoy the time w/ family and friends. Pbr has lost several close friends in the past year suddenly so enjoy the time we all have here as tomorrow is not promised to you.

lamp is lit...

+k back atcha. I'm feeling grumpy this morning and you just reminded me that there's a lot to be thankful for.

Good luck to your boys this weekend.

[AUKaz00]

  I think SUS is much more similar to Alfred than people want to suggest.  Defense can be suspect at times for both, although it shows up when it needs to generally, and the offense is balanced enough to keep a team off guard.  I'd say that Paveletz is better than Hendrix, but I'd say Alfred's QB would be better than Palazzi, especially for the deep ball.  That said, I don't see a huge amount of separation between Alfred and Susquehanna from a pure talent perspective.

Frank, I'd like to understand better why you would rank Paveletz higher than Hendrix.  Looking at the NCAA stats Hendrix is currently ranked 8th in the country at 133.90 yds/game with Paveletz 11th at 128.55 yds/game.  And both scored 11 rushing touchdowns.  Not much difference to draw any conclusions from there.  Hendrix averaged 5.3 yds/rush while Paveletz averaged 4.7 yds/rush and Hendrix also had 17 receptions for 170 yards and 2 TDs while Paveletz didn't catch a ball this year.  Some of that is certainly due to the offenses both teams run and the other personnel alongside each back, but I don't see how from the numbers you could say they were anything other than equals (unless you wanted to favor Vinson).

[union89]

  I think SUS is much more similar to Alfred than people want to suggest.  Defense can be suspect at times for both, although it shows up when it needs to generally, and the offense is balanced enough to keep a team off guard.  I'd say that Paveletz is better than Hendrix, but I'd say Alfred's QB would be better than Palazzi, especially for the deep ball.  That said, I don't see a huge amount of separation between Alfred and Susquehanna from a pure talent perspective.

Frank, I'd like to understand better why you would rank Paveletz higher than Hendrix.  Looking at the NCAA stats Hendrix is currently ranked 8th in the country at 133.90 yds/game with Paveletz 11th at 128.55 yds/game.  And both scored 11 rushing touchdowns.  Not much difference to draw any conclusions from there.  Hendrix averaged 5.3 yds/rush while Paveletz averaged 4.7 yds/rush and Hendrix also had 17 receptions for 170 yards and 2 TDs while Paveletz didn't catch a ball this year.  Some of that is certainly due to the offenses both teams run and the other personnel alongside each back, but I don't see how from the numbers you could say they were anything other than equals (unless you wanted to favor Vinson).

Kaz,
It's funny you bring up this topic.  I was just stacking up the tailbacks in the LL in my mind this morning.  I have seen 5 or 6 Union games this past year and in all honesty, I have not seen every team in the conference.  I would rank the Paveletz kid from Susquehanna as no better than the 3rd best back in the LL.  IMO, the kid from Rochester was the measuring stick followed by Coney from Union.  Outside of the long run to close the game vs. Union, the kid seemed pretty ordinary and heavy footed.  In that final run, Union was bunching the LOS in dire need of a stop.  Paveletz broke through the 1st level and was gone.  To be truthful, I thought Paveletz was the 2nd best back on his OWN team that day.

Having seen both kids play, Paveletz reminded me a lot of a 'poor mans', Dan Ruggiero from Ithaca.  As far as intangibles, Paveletz seemed to be the leader of the SU squad and someone the team looked to for direction.

In fairness, I have never seen Hendrix play, but have heard rave reviews from the E8PP board.

[SaintsFAN]

Ditto what pbr and Grove said... Happy Thanksgiving to the LLPPers... I understand there will be a meeting of the minds in Boston on Friday?? 

SF will be broadcasting the TMC/JHU game on D3football if anyone is bored on Saturday at noon.

[Frank Rossi]

 I think SUS is much more similar to Alfred than people want to suggest.  Defense can be suspect at times for both, although it shows up when it needs to generally, and the offense is balanced enough to keep a team off guard.  I'd say that Paveletz is better than Hendrix, but I'd say Alfred's QB would be better than Palazzi, especially for the deep ball.  That said, I don't see a huge amount of separation between Alfred and Susquehanna from a pure talent perspective.

Frank, I'd like to understand better why you would rank Paveletz higher than Hendrix.  Looking at the NCAA stats Hendrix is currently ranked 8th in the country at 133.90 yds/game with Paveletz 11th at 128.55 yds/game.  And both scored 11 rushing touchdowns.  Not much difference to draw any conclusions from there.  Hendrix averaged 5.3 yds/rush while Paveletz averaged 4.7 yds/rush and Hendrix also had 17 receptions for 170 yards and 2 TDs while Paveletz didn't catch a ball this year.  Some of that is certainly due to the offenses both teams run and the other personnel alongside each back, but I don't see how from the numbers you could say they were anything other than equals (unless you wanted to favor Vinson).

Kaz,
It's funny you bring up this topic.  I was just stacking up the tailbacks in the LL in my mind this morning.  I have seen 5 or 6 Union games this past year and in all honesty, I have not seen every team in the conference.  I would rank the Paveletz kid from Susquehanna as no better than the 3rd best back in the LL.  IMO, the kid from Rochester was the measuring stick followed by Coney from Union.  Outside of the long run to close the game vs. Union, the kid seemed pretty ordinary and heavy footed.  In that final run, Union was bunching the LOS in dire need of a stop.  Paveletz broke through the 1st level and was gone.  To be truthful, I thought Paveletz was the 2nd best back on his OWN team that day.

Having seen both kids play, Paveletz reminded me a lot of a 'poor mans', Dan Ruggiero from Ithaca.  As far as intangibles, Paveletz seemed to be the leader of the SU squad and someone the team looked to for direction.

In fairness, I have never seen Hendrix play, but have heard rave reviews from the E8PP board.

And, in fairness, you watched Paveletz when he was injured and not even on our two-deep that week.  So, whatever you're balancing your opinions on here seems a little harsh and unfair toward Paveletz.  He was questionable until just before kickoff vs. Union, if you had listened to the broadcast (I know, you can't stand listening, but injuries are things we key in on throughout the broadcast).

[EDIT:  Also, in fairness, Union's defense vs. Susquehanna was indeed a different defense than what was run vs. Rochester.  There was a lot more stacking in the box (8 or 9) and four-man fronts than were done vs. the Yellowjackets in order to accomplish more run stops.  I think you saw a game in which Union gambled more on run defense because of their disbelief in Palazzi's arm (i.e., that he couldn't throw deep effectively generally all season) -- and thus, the defense swallowed up Paveletz much more easily than they did Onyiriuka).