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[SJFF82]

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[labart96]

Congratulations to Dave Paveletz and John Peters and all of the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalists.

Congrats is right on.  TGP can't recall the last time that 2 LL guys were nominated in the same season but TGP doesn't really track the Gagliardi that closely.

[dewcrew88]

@u89: i'm on my blackberry so I can't quote the post, but there is no way tellish was a better back then paveletz against union. Definitely a change of pace, but if i'm a coach, I,m much more worried about paveletz.

[Yanks 99]

Congratulations to Dave Paveletz and John Peters and all of the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalists.

Congrats is right on.  TGP can't recall the last time that 2 LL guys were nominated in the same season but TGP doesn't really track the Gagliardi that closely.

Is the Gagliardi committe actually going to pick the National Player of the Year this year???  And who is the favorite???

Congrats to the East Region nominees...

[PBR...]

Congratulations to Dave Paveletz and John Peters and all of the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalists.

Congrats is right on.  TGP can't recall the last time that 2 LL guys were nominated in the same season but TGP doesn't really track the Gagliardi that closely.

Is the Gagliardi committe actually going to pick the National Player of the Year this year???  And who is the favorite???

as the guru would tell you....check the front page...tells you how the voting is being done as well as info on all the finalists

[Yanks 99]

Congratulations to Dave Paveletz and John Peters and all of the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalists.

Congrats is right on.  TGP can't recall the last time that 2 LL guys were nominated in the same season but TGP doesn't really track the Gagliardi that closely.

Is the Gagliardi committe actually going to pick the National Player of the Year this year???  And who is the favorite???

as the guru would tell you....check the front page...tells you how the voting is being done as well as info on all the finalists

I know how the voting is done...but am wondering if the actual POY will be nominated and win this year.  The best player didn't win the award last year (Kmic)...and I already know the coach didn't nominate him...but still...

[AUPepBand]

 I think SUS is much more similar to Alfred than people want to suggest.  Defense can be suspect at times for both, although it shows up when it needs to generally, and the offense is balanced enough to keep a team off guard.  I'd say that Paveletz is better than Hendrix, but I'd say Alfred's QB would be better than Palazzi, especially for the deep ball.  That said, I don't see a huge amount of separation between Alfred and Susquehanna from a pure talent perspective.

Frank, I'd like to understand better why you would rank Paveletz higher than Hendrix.  Looking at the NCAA stats Hendrix is currently ranked 8th in the country at 133.90 yds/game with Paveletz 11th at 128.55 yds/game.  And both scored 11 rushing touchdowns.  Not much difference to draw any conclusions from there.  Hendrix averaged 5.3 yds/rush while Paveletz averaged 4.7 yds/rush and Hendrix also had 17 receptions for 170 yards and 2 TDs while Paveletz didn't catch a ball this year.  Some of that is certainly due to the offenses both teams run and the other personnel alongside each back, but I don't see how from the numbers you could say they were anything other than equals (unless you wanted to favor Vinson).

Kaz -

Just completing my thoughts, assuming you saw my note to U89 before this one, Paveletz missed basically 2 1/2 quarters of football vs. a weaker opponent (WPI) and was suspect at best during the Union game (although, Union's defensive change may have somewhat lobbed on his problems on top of the injury).  So, from a ground yardage perspective, Paveletz probably would've outgained Hendrix if he had been healthy the final three games he played.  That said, I'm unsure whether Hendrix was injured at any point this season, missing a part of a game (maybe you can speak to this).

It's pretty obvious that Paveletz catching zero balls would be more an offense-centric issue than a player issue -- and it makes sense since Palazzi had three quality receivers to which he would throw this season (Ritter, Moran and Howell).  So, I don't take much from receiving numbers with tailbacks, especially in this case.

I think my biggest difference maker for Paveletz is that he was doing this all behind a sophomore quarterback (and for a backup quarterback for 2 1/2 games) this season.  The defenses tended to key onto him (maybe with less success than Union, but the focus coming into the season was Paveletz, period).  That wasn't so much the case for Alfred, as Secky had a lot of respect, taking some focus off Hendrix.  As the season went on and both Susquehanna and defenses had confidence in Palazzi's abilities, both Susquehanna's offensive focus and teams' defensive focus changed.  For Paveletz to have gained the amount he did this year may have been more impressive than his junior season in some ways -- the secret was out and he still drove down the field with the numbers he put up until his injury surfaced.  However, that part is very debatable.

The overall point is that Paveletz and Hendrix are both quality backs for good offenses -- yet, one offense was more established coming into the season than the other.

Thanks for the elaboration.  And to add a little more insight for you on Hendrix, he too was playing behind a sophomore QB (though Secky was certainly more ballyhooed than Palazzi coming into the season), played with backup Kilcarr during the UofR game (so that LL opponent could have been focusing on him more) as well as the portion of the Fisher game after Secky's injury and before his own (which was pointed out by Ty).  

Pep thought Paveletz looked solid in our scrimmage (I don't feel like going back to find his exact comments), so it's no surprise that an argument could be made between the two and rightfully so since they both are sitting near the top of the NCAA rushing stats at season's end.  I guess it was the declarative nature of the statement "I'd say that Paveletz is better than Hendrix" that struck me the wrong way as if to imply it wasn't even close.

If we're looking at the stats alone, one must consider the fact that Hendrix played 2 quarters at UMass-Dartmouth, a little over 3 quarters in monkeystomps against SLU, Hartwick, and Rochester whereas it appears Paveletz, excepting a monkeystomp over Juniata, played four quarters, excepting, of course, any injuries.

But because Pep knows Hendrix, he wouldn't show any interest in this discussion. The kid comes from the city of Rochester and when the D&C wrote him up for his per game rushing average being among the nation's best, Pep knew he didn't even care to see it. So Pep, noticing the D&C story included a not-so-flattering mug shot of Hendrix, took the paper to him here at the library, showed it to him, and asked, "Did you do some time in the city lock-up this summer? Is that where they got that picture?" Hendrix gave me one of his signature laughing outbursts. Gotta love the kid.

Pep Jr. could have had some great basketball stats in high school were his team not so talented. He averaged in the neighborhood of 18 ppg and 12 rebounds per game but many times wouldn't see the floor after mid-way through the third quarter because his team was up by 40.

On Saxon Warriors!

[dlippiel]

Congratulations to Dave Paveletz and John Peters and all of the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalists.

My goodness, before tonight I used to HATE how MUC used to destroy everyone in the East. Now I'm kind of liking it...

Liking it more and more...

Funny bleedpurple dlip would have +k'd you for this statement but reflecting on previous posts by you it takes ****in nerve to come in to the LLPP and congratulate two East Region players when you so clearly disrespected them with your bone****inheaded previous statements. Clown...

[bleedpurple]

Congratulations to Dave Paveletz and John Peters and all of the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalists.

My goodness, before tonight I used to HATE how MUC used to destroy everyone in the East. Now I'm kind of liking it...

Liking it more and more...

Funny bleedpurple dlip would have +k'd you for this statement but reflecting on previous posts by you it takes ****in nerve to come in to the LLPP and congratulate two East Region players when you so clearly disrespected them with your bone****inheaded previous statements. Clown...

My congratulations was sincere and offered to every single player in every single region. I simply disagreed with an opinion on the East Region playoff board. Dlip didn't seem nearly as offended by reactionary posts that were at least twice as hostile as any post I made. I have the highest level of respect for all D3 athletes. The athletes that are honored as a Gagliardi finalist represent D3 athletes everywhere that represent (in my opinion) the best in amateur  sports.

I'm sure we agree on one thing Dlip. D3 athletes are easy to respect and admire. SOME posters on this board, not so much! 

[dlippiel]

Congratulations to Dave Paveletz and John Peters and all of the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalists.

My goodness, before tonight I used to HATE how MUC used to destroy everyone in the East. Now I'm kind of liking it...

Liking it more and more...

Funny bleedpurple dlip would have +k'd you for this statement but reflecting on previous posts by you it takes ****in nerve to come in to the LLPP and congratulate two East Region players when you so clearly disrespected them with your bone****inheaded previous statements. Clown...

My congratulations was sincere and offered to every single player in every single region. I simply disagreed with an opinion on the East Region playoff board. Dlip didn't seem nearly as offended by reactionary posts that were at least twice as hostile as any post I made. I have the highest level of respect for all D3 athletes. The athletes that are honored as a Gagliardi finalist represent D3 athletes everywhere that represent (in my opinion) the best in amateur  sports.

I'm sure we agree on one thing Dlip. D3 athletes are easy to respect and admire. SOME posters on this board, not so much! 

dlip feels your post here was very nicely written and heart felt. dlip certainly knows he has posted some stupid **** before and believes bp's posts regarding his enjoyment of MUC's vibration of East Region teams was some stupid **** for sure. dlip knows when you post stupid ****in statements you will get hammered for them for awhile, and rightfully so. Yet, enough is enough, and if this is bp's true feeling and he truly respects D3 athletes in the way he is saying then so be it, dlip is cool with that, believes it, and will leave this alone. dlip just is very defensive of his East region regardless of it's success or lack there of against MUC and when people take pot shots at this region he does not easily forget it.

[mattvsmith]

Anyone having Turducken for Thanksgiving?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken

How about something exotic like bear or boar meat?

The Rev is going to eat kimchi and rice.  Sucks.

[PBR...]

Anyone having Turducken for Thanksgiving?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken

How about something exotic like bear or boar meat?

The Rev is going to eat kimchi and rice.  Sucks.

well just imagine if the indians had given the pilgrims some donkey rather than a turkey at thanksgiving...we all we would sitting this thanksgiving and having a piece of azz....

[pg04]

Congratulations to Dave Paveletz and John Peters and all of the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalists.

Congrats is right on.  TGP can't recall the last time that 2 LL guys were nominated in the same season but TGP doesn't really track the Gagliardi that closely.

Is the Gagliardi committe actually going to pick the National Player of the Year this year???  And who is the favorite???

as the guru would tell you....check the front page...tells you how the voting is being done as well as info on all the finalists

I know how the voting is done...but am wondering if the actual POY will be nominated and win this year.  The best player didn't win the award last year (Kmic)...and I already know the coach didn't nominate him...but still...

Unlike the Heisman, the Gagliardi isn't specifically a player of the year award. 

[bleedpurple]

Congratulations to Dave Paveletz and John Peters and all of the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalists.

My goodness, before tonight I used to HATE how MUC used to destroy everyone in the East. Now I'm kind of liking it...

Liking it more and more...

Funny bleedpurple dlip would have +k'd you for this statement but reflecting on previous posts by you it takes ****in nerve to come in to the LLPP and congratulate two East Region players when you so clearly disrespected them with your bone****inheaded previous statements. Clown...

My congratulations was sincere and offered to every single player in every single region. I simply disagreed with an opinion on the East Region playoff board. Dlip didn't seem nearly as offended by reactionary posts that were at least twice as hostile as any post I made. I have the highest level of respect for all D3 athletes. The athletes that are honored as a Gagliardi finalist represent D3 athletes everywhere that represent (in my opinion) the best in amateur  sports.

I'm sure we agree on one thing Dlip. D3 athletes are easy to respect and admire. SOME posters on this board, not so much! 

dlip feels your post here was very nicely written and heart felt. dlip certainly knows he has posted some stupid **** before and believes bp's posts regarding his enjoyment of MUC's vibration of East Region teams was some stupid **** for sure. dlip knows when you post stupid ****in statements you will get hammered for them for awhile, and rightfully so. Yet, enough is enough, and if this is bp's true feeling and he truly respects D3 athletes in the way he is saying then so be it, dlip is cool with that, believes it, and will leave this alone. dlip just is very defensive of his East region regardless of it's success or lack there of against MUC and when people take pot shots at this region he does not easily forget it.

Those are my true feelings and I am VERY respectful of all D3 athletes. And I understand the loyalty you have for the East. Loyalty is a good thing and I react the same way when I see pot shots taken at UWW.

Have a great Thanksgiving Dlip.

[dlippiel]

Congratulations to Dave Paveletz and John Peters and all of the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy finalists.

My goodness, before tonight I used to HATE how MUC used to destroy everyone in the East. Now I'm kind of liking it...

Liking it more and more...

Funny bleedpurple dlip would have +k'd you for this statement but reflecting on previous posts by you it takes ****in nerve to come in to the LLPP and congratulate two East Region players when you so clearly disrespected them with your bone****inheaded previous statements. Clown...

My congratulations was sincere and offered to every single player in every single region. I simply disagreed with an opinion on the East Region playoff board. Dlip didn't seem nearly as offended by reactionary posts that were at least twice as hostile as any post I made. I have the highest level of respect for all D3 athletes. The athletes that are honored as a Gagliardi finalist represent D3 athletes everywhere that represent (in my opinion) the best in amateur  sports.

I'm sure we agree on one thing Dlip. D3 athletes are easy to respect and admire. SOME posters on this board, not so much! 

dlip feels your post here was very nicely written and heart felt. dlip certainly knows he has posted some stupid **** before and believes bp's posts regarding his enjoyment of MUC's vibration of East Region teams was some stupid **** for sure. dlip knows when you post stupid ****in statements you will get hammered for them for awhile, and rightfully so. Yet, enough is enough, and if this is bp's true feeling and he truly respects D3 athletes in the way he is saying then so be it, dlip is cool with that, believes it, and will leave this alone. dlip just is very defensive of his East region regardless of it's success or lack there of against MUC and when people take pot shots at this region he does not easily forget it.

Those are my true feelings and I am VERY respectful of all D3 athletes. And I understand the loyalty you have for the East. Loyalty is a good thing and I react the same way when I see pot shots taken at UWW.

Have a great Thanksgiving Dlip.

Back at ya bleedpurple and a shot of K to go with your Turkey!