FB: Liberty League

[Knightstalker]

Some of you guys are kinda ridiculous on this coaching matter.  If you don't like the guys or the programs that's one thing, but you can't fault these guys for going to greener pastures.  

Case in point, you are back in the job hunt market...your 'ideal' job is unobtainable.  Maybe it's filled, maybe they can't justify a new position, whatever the case.  So, you take a different job, that is a good one, but maybe not everything you hoped.  HR from Company 1 calls you 6 months later with a better offer, and it's the job you've wanted...What do you do?  Are you loyal to the company you originally took the job with?  I know my answer.

It's all about timing, and these guys are going to take the opportunity when they can, because that opportunity might not come along for a long time if ever.  You guys are so ****ing critical of everyone because they take different jobs.  It's a business for crying out loud.

It is called honor and integrity and honoring the contract you signed.  When I joined the Navy I signed a six year contract, 4 years active duty, 2 years inactive reserve.  I couldn't change my mind a year in decide I wanted to go to do something else.  Also if I was in one job and offered a better job I would give the current company a chance to match the offer and position.

KS what if you had to join the Canadian Navy first though because there were no openings in the US navy.  Then the US navy called and said they had an opening....?

Or the Mexican Navy?

_{The Mexican Navy}

Seriously, let's not measure your military experience and serving the country with coaching college football, or having any other corporate job.  As JT mentioned, you can be loyal your entire career and pass up other opportunities, and when the time is right, they won't hesitate to stick it up your butt.  

FYI - I think the Mexican Navy would be dope.

I wasn't trying to compare combat to coaching, but there are (supposed) values associated with college athletics.  College football at a University is (or should be) different than a profit corporation.

And many people join the military for reasons other than honor or integrity.  Historically being a soldier has been a "job".

(I don't want people to intrepret my comments to think I don't value the US military or anything else related to war, honor, sacrifice)

People don't join the military because of honor and integrity, you don't participate in athletics because of honor and integrity, you develop honor and integrity and learn what they mean.

[lewdogg11]

Some of you guys are kinda ridiculous on this coaching matter.  If you don't like the guys or the programs that's one thing, but you can't fault these guys for going to greener pastures.  

Case in point, you are back in the job hunt market...your 'ideal' job is unobtainable.  Maybe it's filled, maybe they can't justify a new position, whatever the case.  So, you take a different job, that is a good one, but maybe not everything you hoped.  HR from Company 1 calls you 6 months later with a better offer, and it's the job you've wanted...What do you do?  Are you loyal to the company you originally took the job with?  I know my answer.

It's all about timing, and these guys are going to take the opportunity when they can, because that opportunity might not come along for a long time if ever.  You guys are so ****ing critical of everyone because they take different jobs.  It's a business for crying out loud.

It is called honor and integrity and honoring the contract you signed.  When I joined the Navy I signed a six year contract, 4 years active duty, 2 years inactive reserve.  I couldn't change my mind a year in decide I wanted to go to do something else.  Also if I was in one job and offered a better job I would give the current company a chance to match the offer and position.

KS what if you had to join the Canadian Navy first though because there were no openings in the US navy.  Then the US navy called and said they had an opening....?

Or the Mexican Navy?

_{The Mexican Navy}

Seriously, let's not measure your military experience and serving the country with coaching college football, or having any other corporate job.  As JT mentioned, you can be loyal your entire career and pass up other opportunities, and when the time is right, they won't hesitate to stick it up your butt.  

FYI - I think the Mexican Navy would be dope.

OK forget the military, but it is still about honor and integrity, most of us don't sign contracts when we take new jobs.  We may sign an offer letter that usually states either party can terminate at anytime.  A contract is to be honored.  

How come the Seahawks didn't have to honor Mora's contract then?  What about Charlie Weis?  Sh!t, let's even throw Urban Meyer into the equation...he was still under contract.

[PBR...]

wonder when they did the "wild boyz" chant w/ music blasting in the background was the music from this group and song?

[Jonny Utah]

Some of you guys are kinda ridiculous on this coaching matter.  If you don't like the guys or the programs that's one thing, but you can't fault these guys for going to greener pastures.  

Case in point, you are back in the job hunt market...your 'ideal' job is unobtainable.  Maybe it's filled, maybe they can't justify a new position, whatever the case.  So, you take a different job, that is a good one, but maybe not everything you hoped.  HR from Company 1 calls you 6 months later with a better offer, and it's the job you've wanted...What do you do?  Are you loyal to the company you originally took the job with?  I know my answer.

It's all about timing, and these guys are going to take the opportunity when they can, because that opportunity might not come along for a long time if ever.  You guys are so ****ing critical of everyone because they take different jobs.  It's a business for crying out loud.

It is called honor and integrity and honoring the contract you signed.  When I joined the Navy I signed a six year contract, 4 years active duty, 2 years inactive reserve.  I couldn't change my mind a year in decide I wanted to go to do something else.  Also if I was in one job and offered a better job I would give the current company a chance to match the offer and position.

KS what if you had to join the Canadian Navy first though because there were no openings in the US navy.  Then the US navy called and said they had an opening....?

Or the Mexican Navy?

_{The Mexican Navy}

Seriously, let's not measure your military experience and serving the country with coaching college football, or having any other corporate job.  As JT mentioned, you can be loyal your entire career and pass up other opportunities, and when the time is right, they won't hesitate to stick it up your butt.  

FYI - I think the Mexican Navy would be dope.

I wasn't trying to compare combat to coaching, but there are (supposed) values associated with college athletics.  College football at a University is (or should be) different than a profit corporation.

And many people join the military for reasons other than honor or integrity.  Historically being a soldier has been a "job".

(I don't want people to intrepret my comments to think I don't value the US military or anything else related to war, honor, sacrifice)

People don't join the military because of honor and integrity, you don't participate in athletics because of honor and integrity, you develop honor and integrity and learn what they mean.

KS you are right of course.  

But I know dozens of people who join the military who think they are doing it for reasons that may not be true.

[Knightstalker]

Some of you guys are kinda ridiculous on this coaching matter.  If you don't like the guys or the programs that's one thing, but you can't fault these guys for going to greener pastures.  

Case in point, you are back in the job hunt market...your 'ideal' job is unobtainable.  Maybe it's filled, maybe they can't justify a new position, whatever the case.  So, you take a different job, that is a good one, but maybe not everything you hoped.  HR from Company 1 calls you 6 months later with a better offer, and it's the job you've wanted...What do you do?  Are you loyal to the company you originally took the job with?  I know my answer.

It's all about timing, and these guys are going to take the opportunity when they can, because that opportunity might not come along for a long time if ever.  You guys are so ****ing critical of everyone because they take different jobs.  It's a business for crying out loud.

It is called honor and integrity and honoring the contract you signed.  When I joined the Navy I signed a six year contract, 4 years active duty, 2 years inactive reserve.  I couldn't change my mind a year in decide I wanted to go to do something else.  Also if I was in one job and offered a better job I would give the current company a chance to match the offer and position.

KS what if you had to join the Canadian Navy first though because there were no openings in the US navy.  Then the US navy called and said they had an opening....?

Or the Mexican Navy?

_{The Mexican Navy}

Seriously, let's not measure your military experience and serving the country with coaching college football, or having any other corporate job.  As JT mentioned, you can be loyal your entire career and pass up other opportunities, and when the time is right, they won't hesitate to stick it up your butt.  

FYI - I think the Mexican Navy would be dope.

OK forget the military, but it is still about honor and integrity, most of us don't sign contracts when we take new jobs.  We may sign an offer letter that usually states either party can terminate at anytime.  A contract is to be honored.  

How come the Seahawks didn't have to honor Mora's contract then?  What about Charlie Weis?  Sh!t, let's even throw Urban Meyer into the equation...he was still under contract.

What do you mean they don't have to honor it.  They have to keep paying them until they take another job.  Mora will get his money, Weis will get his money.  Meyer broke his contract to take another job.  The school he left could possibly sue for damages and breaking the contract but chose not to.  KS thinks more schools should do this, especially when it is a coach like Eddie Sutton who leaves the school a ****hole to clean up and goes and does the same to another program.

Why do you think TT let Leach go like that, they wanted to have an out and not have to honor his contract if they just fired him because he was tool.

[lewdogg11]

Kiffin's contract calls for him to pay an $800,000 buyout for leaving Tennessee after only one season.

What's the difference?

[Yanks 99]

Some of you guys are kinda ridiculous on this coaching matter.  If you don't like the guys or the programs that's one thing, but you can't fault these guys for going to greener pastures.  

Case in point, you are back in the job hunt market...your 'ideal' job is unobtainable.  Maybe it's filled, maybe they can't justify a new position, whatever the case.  So, you take a different job, that is a good one, but maybe not everything you hoped.  HR from Company 1 calls you 6 months later with a better offer, and it's the job you've wanted...What do you do?  Are you loyal to the company you originally took the job with?  I know my answer.

It's all about timing, and these guys are going to take the opportunity when they can, because that opportunity might not come along for a long time if ever.  You guys are so ****ing critical of everyone because they take different jobs.  It's a business for crying out loud.

It is called honor and integrity and honoring the contract you signed.  When I joined the Navy I signed a six year contract, 4 years active duty, 2 years inactive reserve.  I couldn't change my mind a year in decide I wanted to go to do something else.  Also if I was in one job and offered a better job I would give the current company a chance to match the offer and position.

KS what if you had to join the Canadian Navy first though because there were no openings in the US navy.  Then the US navy called and said they had an opening....?

Or the Mexican Navy?

_{The Mexican Navy}

Seriously, let's not measure your military experience and serving the country with coaching college football, or having any other corporate job.  As JT mentioned, you can be loyal your entire career and pass up other opportunities, and when the time is right, they won't hesitate to stick it up your butt.  

FYI - I think the Mexican Navy would be dope.

I wasn't trying to compare combat to coaching, but there are (supposed) values associated with college athletics.  College football at a University is (or should be) different than a profit corporation.

And many people join the military for reasons other than honor or integrity.  Historically being a soldier has been a "job".

(I don't want people to intrepret my comments to think I don't value the US military or anything else related to war, honor, sacrifice)

People don't join the military because of honor and integrity, you don't participate in athletics because of honor and integrity, you develop honor and integrity and learn what they mean.

KS you are right of course. 

But I know dozens of people who join the military who think they are doing it for reasons that may not be the truth.

This whole thing is a situation that is never likely going to change.  Coach signs a 5 year contract...he can be fired after year 1 even if he goes 10-2 and did nothing wrong, though highly unlikely.  Look at that Nebraska coach a few years back...didn't he finish about 10-3 and got fired?  In this situation, Kiffen signs a long term contract and leaves after one year.  In my opinion, neither party, in general, has anything to complain about.  It's just the way it is.

['gro]

KS would hang himself from the yardarm before joining the Canadian anything.

What? Have you tried their bacon?  ****ING AMAZING!

[Yanks 99]

KS would hang himself from the yardarm before joining the Canadian anything.

What? Have you tried their bacon?  ****ING AMAZING!

Plus the Edmonton Oilers of the mid-80's were SICK!!!

[TheGrove]

wonder when they did the "wild boyz" chant w/ music blasting in the background was the music from this group and song?

+k... glad I'm not the only one into whose head that popped!

[PBR...]

wonder when they did the "wild boyz" chant w/ music blasting in the background was the music from this group and song?

+k... glad I'm not the only one into whose head that popped!

was 'gros fav song growing up....sporting the parachute pants...

[Yanks 99]

wonder when they did the "wild boyz" chant w/ music blasting in the background was the music from this group and song?

+k... glad I'm not the only one into whose head that popped!

was 'gros fav song growing up....sporting the parachute pants...

I am feeling he is more of a "2 Legit 2 Quit" fan as opposed to "Hammertime"...

[pumkinattack]

I don't have a problem with a coach leaving for a better situation.  There's a difference between what Brian Kelly (built a program up, took it to the top of the Big East) did and Kiffin (come for one year, embarass at least this UT fan, potentially saddle the program with five years worth of problems and run).  Contract's in the business world do have non-competes.  They could enforce that.  

The problems I have are a)  Kiffin is a degenerate worthy of the 8th circle and b) if it's really a business, which I believe it is at this point, separate it from these institutions that are supposed to educate not only in the classroom, but finish off the process of creating men and woman who can stand up and produce in society.  I blame the administrations for being spineless and gutless and avoiding doing their duty as leaders of young men and women (as opposed to college coaches, who I wouldn't put that on any more than Charles Barkley is a role model).  These schools are non-profits and all benefit from government aid (even private schools, who run up the cost of tuition on the backs of gov't backed borrowing) in various forms (tax exemption while building $1Bn + endowments).  Sever the college football programs from the institutions and bring some pride and leadership back to these institutions of higher learning.  The taxpayers don't deserve and shouldn't put up with this dlip.  

[JT]

KS would hang himself from the yardarm before joining the Canadian anything.

What? Have you tried their bacon?  ****ING AMAZING!

Don't forget the strippers.  Especially in Montreal.

[Knightstalker]

I don't have a problem with a coach leaving for a better situation.  There's a difference between what Brian Kelly (built a program up, took it to the top of the Big East) did and Kiffin (come for one year, embarass at least this UT fan, potentially saddle the program with five years worth of problems and run).  Contract's in the business world do have non-competes.  They could enforce that.  

The problems I have are a)  Kiffin is a degenerate worthy of the 8th circle and b) if it's really a business, which I believe it is at this point, separate it from these institutions that are supposed to educate not only in the classroom, but finish off the process of creating men and woman who can stand up and produce in society.  I blame the administrations for being spineless and gutless and avoiding doing their duty as leaders of young men and women (as opposed to college coaches, who I wouldn't put that on any more than Charles Barkley is a role model).  These schools are non-profits and all benefit from government aid (even private schools, who run up the cost of tuition on the backs of gov't backed borrowing) in various forms (tax exemption while building $1Bn + endowments).  Sever the college football programs from the institutions and bring some pride and leadership back to these institutions of higher learning.  The taxpayers don't deserve and shouldn't put up with this dlip.  

+K for PA tomorrow when KS can give K again for the Inferno reference.