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[dlippiel]

Anyone else on the LLPP getting tired of the blame game going on with this Luger's awful death. Vancouver is at fault, the Luge committee is at fault, the safety experts who O.K'd the track are at fault. Listen, dlip does not blame anyone. Of course there are always things that could have been done better, that holds true for almost any accident, it's what makes us human. The one thing dlip has yet to hear is what appears the most obvious to him; that sliding in a tiny sled on solid ice at 90 mph could possibly be dangerous and fatal. dlip feels awful for the Luger, his family, teammates, and all involved and hopefully the rest of the Olympics will not include any death or serious injuries.

[theoriginalupstate]

It's not a LL school.

God please let it be Ithaca...

[labart96]

It's not a LL school.

God please let it be Ithaca...

TGP is guessing NESCAC

[iamhuge]

wondering if PBR has already paid reg...

Can't believe NBC showed the footage of the Georgian Luger crashing (and ultimately dying).... then there were still photos online from the entire accident and then zoomed in his head when he was down on the ground.  

Agreed, poor form all around, as was releasing a report that it was the lugers fault. True or not, the timing certainly didn't reflect a proper time of mourning.

Maybe they thought it was Lex Luger?

[PBR...]

wondering if PBR has already paid reg...

Can't believe NBC showed the footage of the Georgian Luger crashing (and ultimately dying).... then there were still photos online from the entire accident and then zoomed in his head when he was down on the ground. 

He always has the option to go double or nothing at Fontana!

Great finish to the 500 yesterday for those who got to catch it.  Junior nearly took it at the end, but the dry streak continues.

pbr back from ski vaca... come on reg everyone is talking like she couldnt drive...peeps need to go back to pbr's post where stating "danica will finish on the lead lap unless there is mechanical failure or she gets caught up in a daytona pileup..." well did anyone actually watch the race? she was doing fine and did get caught up in the pileup just as pbr said could easily happen....

btw imho there is going to be a huge shakeup this offseason in college football... pbr's early hunches... univ. of colorado bolts for the pac 10
                                   univ. of texas and univ. of missouri join the big 10                                                   
                                   a few big least teams may bolt for the ACC                           
the way this is heading the big 12 is going to be gutted, only texas has to wait for colorado to bolt as the texas legislature will not let texas leave for the big10 and leave a&m and texas tech behind until texas can prove the big12 is crumbling apart. if texas does not head to the big 10 then look for nebraska to jump ship. the entire landscape of college football is about to change big time as everyone wants the $$$$ from having their own sports channel. unfortunately the big10 network is driving this....

[Regulator]

wondering if PBR has already paid reg...

Can't believe NBC showed the footage of the Georgian Luger crashing (and ultimately dying).... then there were still photos online from the entire accident and then zoomed in his head when he was down on the ground.  

He always has the option to go double or nothing at Fontana!

Great finish to the 500 yesterday for those who got to catch it.  Junior nearly took it at the end, but the dry streak continues.

pbr back from ski vaca... come on reg everyone is talking like she couldnt drive...peeps need to go back to pbr's post where stating "danica will finish on the lead lap unless there is mechanical failure or she gets caught up in a daytona pileup..." well did anyone actually watch the race? she was doing fine and did get caught up in the pileup just as pbr said could easily happen....

btw imho there is going to be a huge shakeup this offseason in college football... pbr's early hunches... univ. of colorado bolts for the pac 10
                                  univ. of texas and univ. of missouri join the big 10                                                    
                                  a few big least teams may bolt for the ACC                            
the way this is heading the big 12 is going to be gutted, only texas has to wait for colorado to bolt as the texas legislature will not let texas leave for the big10 and leave a&m and texas tech behind until texas can prove the big12 is crumbling apart. if texas does not head to the big 10 then look for nebraska to jump ship. the entire landscape of college football is about to change big time as everyone wants the $$$$ from having their own sports channel. unfortunately the big10 network is driving this....

PBR-
If doing fine to you means dropping from 15th to 34th in 20 laps, and just about to lose the entire draft....then I guess you could say she can drive.

and.......#2.....Of course you are going to get caught up in a wreck if you are at the back of the pack!

[Doid23]

btw imho there is going to be a huge shakeup this offseason in college football... pbr's early hunches... univ. of colorado bolts for the pac 10
                                   univ. of texas and univ. of missouri join the big 10                                                   
                                   a few big least teams may bolt for the ACC                           
the way this is heading the big 12 is going to be gutted, only texas has to wait for colorado to bolt as the texas legislature will not let texas leave for the big10 and leave a&m and texas tech behind until texas can prove the big12 is crumbling apart. if texas does not head to the big 10 then look for nebraska to jump ship. the entire landscape of college football is about to change big time as everyone wants the $$$$ from having their own sports channel. unfortunately the big10 network is driving this....

I agree, but who knows where. Here's how I see the candidates (in order of likelihood):
1) Pitt: Natural fit geographically, good academic, football/ basketball, get back the great Pitt-Penn State rivalry game.
2) Mizzou: Has this rumour ever NOT been around? Makes sense academically, geographically, opens up Kansas City/ St. Louis markets. Just behind Pitt in my mind. If they leave the Big 12, makes room for TCU to join, which makes perfect sense to me.
3) Rutgers: I can see why Rutgers would do it, but although it theoretically opens up the NY market, Rutgers really isn't that relevant in NYC area.
4) Syracuse: Good fit academically, basketball would be a huge plus. Don't think it does much for the Big 10
5) Texas is the best fit from an academic, financial, and new market aspect, but is an awful fit geographically (forget football, a lot of expensive and long travel for volleyball, baseball, swimming, etc.), and a lot of emotion tied to their traditional rivals and history, so I don't think that happens. Also, A&M would have to go as well, no way they split them up. But overall, I don't think it's feasible.
6) Nebraska fits geographically, but not a good fit academically and financially. Weak at basketball, and too many historical ties to Big 12/ SWC to bolt.

I think this will definately happen (adding one, not three), and it will be interesting to see the chain of events that unfolds after the first move. Now, back to NASCAR

[PBR...]

wondering if PBR has already paid reg...

Can't believe NBC showed the footage of the Georgian Luger crashing (and ultimately dying).... then there were still photos online from the entire accident and then zoomed in his head when he was down on the ground.  

He always has the option to go double or nothing at Fontana!

Great finish to the 500 yesterday for those who got to catch it.  Junior nearly took it at the end, but the dry streak continues.

pbr back from ski vaca... come on reg everyone is talking like she couldnt drive...peeps need to go back to pbr's post where stating "danica will finish on the lead lap unless there is mechanical failure or she gets caught up in a daytona pileup..." well did anyone actually watch the race? she was doing fine and did get caught up in the pileup just as pbr said could easily happen....

btw imho there is going to be a huge shakeup this offseason in college football... pbr's early hunches... univ. of colorado bolts for the pac 10
                                  univ. of texas and univ. of missouri join the big 10                                                    
                                  a few big least teams may bolt for the ACC                            
the way this is heading the big 12 is going to be gutted, only texas has to wait for colorado to bolt as the texas legislature will not let texas leave for the big10 and leave a&m and texas tech behind until texas can prove the big12 is crumbling apart. if texas does not head to the big 10 then look for nebraska to jump ship. the entire landscape of college football is about to change big time as everyone wants the $$$$ from having their own sports channel. unfortunately the big10 network is driving this....

PBR-
If doing fine to you means dropping from 15th to 34th in 20 laps, and just about to lose the entire draft....then I guess you could say she can drive.

and.......#2.....Of course you are going to get caught up in a wreck if you are at the back of the pack!

come on reg u know racing...she purposely was going to the back for the first 1/2 of the race to stay out of trouble. pbr could be riding a ten speed bike and keep the draft with many cars breaking up the airflow. many cup drivers do this in the 500, there are just as many wrecks at the front...did junior not go airborne and flip while fighting for second place?

EDIT: btw reg how 'bout that move by junior...incredible had pbr up out of his seat  watching it. that boy can still get up on the wheel and drive when he has the car. and a big thumbs down to the track...this is daytona not north wilkesboro. get the track repaved before the cup series is back on july 4th...pot holes? seriously? the track is in florida not pennsylvania ...

[PBR...]

btw imho there is going to be a huge shakeup this offseason in college football... pbr's early hunches... univ. of colorado bolts for the pac 10
                                   univ. of texas and univ. of missouri join the big 10                                                   
                                   a few big least teams may bolt for the ACC                           
the way this is heading the big 12 is going to be gutted, only texas has to wait for colorado to bolt as the texas legislature will not let texas leave for the big10 and leave a&m and texas tech behind until texas can prove the big12 is crumbling apart. if texas does not head to the big 10 then look for nebraska to jump ship. the entire landscape of college football is about to change big time as everyone wants the $$$$ from having their own sports channel. unfortunately the big10 network is driving this....

I agree, but who knows where. Here's how I see the candidates (in order of likelihood):
1) Pitt: Natural fit geographically, good academic, football/ basketball, get back the great Pitt-Penn State rivalry game.
2) Mizzou: Has this rumour ever NOT been around? Makes sense academically, geographically, opens up Kansas City/ St. Louis markets. Just behind Pitt in my mind. If they leave the Big 12, makes room for TCU to join, which makes perfect sense to me.
3) Rutgers: I can see why Rutgers would do it, but although it theoretically opens up the NY market, Rutgers really isn't that relevant in NYC area.
4) Syracuse: Good fit academically, basketball would be a huge plus. Don't think it does much for the Big 10
5) Texas is the best fit from an academic, financial, and new market aspect, but is an awful fit geographically (forget football, a lot of expensive and long travel for volleyball, baseball, swimming, etc.), and a lot of emotion tied to their traditional rivals and history, so I don't think that happens. Also, A&M would have to go as well, no way they split them up. But overall, I don't think it's feasible.
6) Nebraska fits geographically, but not a good fit academically and financially. Weak at basketball, and too many historical ties to Big 12/ SWC to bolt.

I think this will definately happen (adding one, not three), and it will be interesting to see the chain of events that unfolds after the first move. Now, back to NASCAR

here is a link from the texas point of view. interesting and makes a lot of sense. what a lot of people dont realize is the $$$ behind the scenes. the schools federal grant money and research they get to do is a huge driver of this...forget pitt its over as most people now dont even remember that rivalry game anymore.

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2010/02/15/being-bill-powers/

[SJFF82]

wondering if PBR has already paid reg...

Can't believe NBC showed the footage of the Georgian Luger crashing (and ultimately dying).... then there were still photos online from the entire accident and then zoomed in his head when he was down on the ground. 

dlip has had this conversation many times. The media is simply ****ed up period and has a one word mission statement:

Sensationalism at any cost!
A local paper here in the Capital District showed a pick of the actual impact of the Luger and the pole. Honestly, if it was dlip's kid and dlip saw that pic in the paper, he would immediately driven to that papers headquarters, well... and you the the rest ****ing postal

82 got all fired up when ESPN reported the death of the Yankee pitcher (cant recall his name off the top of my head) who crashed his plane in NYC knowing the family was not informed yet.  Remember....some pedestrian picked up his driver's license off the pavement and that is what ESPN used to release the identity.  I boycotted watching ESPN for weeks....until I couldnt stand missing the 'Cuse games on Big Monday anymore....everyone made fun of 82 for this 'boycott'...

its simple....as 82 always says....the consumer controls everything....if 'we' didnt watch it and read it, 'They' wouldnt print or report it.  Its 'our' fault because we consume it.

[Doid23]

btw imho there is going to be a huge shakeup this offseason in college football... pbr's early hunches... univ. of colorado bolts for the pac 10
                                   univ. of texas and univ. of missouri join the big 10                                                   
                                   a few big least teams may bolt for the ACC                           
the way this is heading the big 12 is going to be gutted, only texas has to wait for colorado to bolt as the texas legislature will not let texas leave for the big10 and leave a&m and texas tech behind until texas can prove the big12 is crumbling apart. if texas does not head to the big 10 then look for nebraska to jump ship. the entire landscape of college football is about to change big time as everyone wants the $$$$ from having their own sports channel. unfortunately the big10 network is driving this....

I agree, but who knows where. Here's how I see the candidates (in order of likelihood):
1) Pitt: Natural fit geographically, good academic, football/ basketball, get back the great Pitt-Penn State rivalry game.
2) Mizzou: Has this rumour ever NOT been around? Makes sense academically, geographically, opens up Kansas City/ St. Louis markets. Just behind Pitt in my mind. If they leave the Big 12, makes room for TCU to join, which makes perfect sense to me.
3) Rutgers: I can see why Rutgers would do it, but although it theoretically opens up the NY market, Rutgers really isn't that relevant in NYC area.
4) Syracuse: Good fit academically, basketball would be a huge plus. Don't think it does much for the Big 10
5) Texas is the best fit from an academic, financial, and new market aspect, but is an awful fit geographically (forget football, a lot of expensive and long travel for volleyball, baseball, swimming, etc.), and a lot of emotion tied to their traditional rivals and history, so I don't think that happens. Also, A&M would have to go as well, no way they split them up. But overall, I don't think it's feasible.
6) Nebraska fits geographically, but not a good fit academically and financially. Weak at basketball, and too many historical ties to Big 12/ SWC to bolt.

I think this will definately happen (adding one, not three), and it will be interesting to see the chain of events that unfolds after the first move. Now, back to NASCAR

here is a link from the texas point of view. interesting and makes a lot of sense. what a lot of people dont realize is the $$$ behind the scenes. the schools federal grant money and research they get to do is a huge driver of this...forget pitt its over as most people now dont even remember that rivalry game anymore.

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2010/02/15/being-bill-powers/

Good article, good take on the R&D side. And I agree that Texas would be a good fit, but no mention of other sports besides football and basketball, and what it does to an athletic budget. I concur that Texas can in no way move first, it would have to be a reaction, and that A&M has to go along. I think that there is NO WAY that the Big Ten takes Kansas, Nebraska, et al. They either add 1 or 3, remember, this is the Big Ten we're talking about.

[PBR...]

btw imho there is going to be a huge shakeup this offseason in college football... pbr's early hunches... univ. of colorado bolts for the pac 10
                                   univ. of texas and univ. of missouri join the big 10                                                   
                                   a few big least teams may bolt for the ACC                           
the way this is heading the big 12 is going to be gutted, only texas has to wait for colorado to bolt as the texas legislature will not let texas leave for the big10 and leave a&m and texas tech behind until texas can prove the big12 is crumbling apart. if texas does not head to the big 10 then look for nebraska to jump ship. the entire landscape of college football is about to change big time as everyone wants the $$$$ from having their own sports channel. unfortunately the big10 network is driving this....

I agree, but who knows where. Here's how I see the candidates (in order of likelihood):
1) Pitt: Natural fit geographically, good academic, football/ basketball, get back the great Pitt-Penn State rivalry game.
2) Mizzou: Has this rumour ever NOT been around? Makes sense academically, geographically, opens up Kansas City/ St. Louis markets. Just behind Pitt in my mind. If they leave the Big 12, makes room for TCU to join, which makes perfect sense to me.
3) Rutgers: I can see why Rutgers would do it, but although it theoretically opens up the NY market, Rutgers really isn't that relevant in NYC area.
4) Syracuse: Good fit academically, basketball would be a huge plus. Don't think it does much for the Big 10
5) Texas is the best fit from an academic, financial, and new market aspect, but is an awful fit geographically (forget football, a lot of expensive and long travel for volleyball, baseball, swimming, etc.), and a lot of emotion tied to their traditional rivals and history, so I don't think that happens. Also, A&M would have to go as well, no way they split them up. But overall, I don't think it's feasible.
6) Nebraska fits geographically, but not a good fit academically and financially. Weak at basketball, and too many historical ties to Big 12/ SWC to bolt.

I think this will definately happen (adding one, not three), and it will be interesting to see the chain of events that unfolds after the first move. Now, back to NASCAR

here is a link from the texas point of view. interesting and makes a lot of sense. what a lot of people dont realize is the $$$ behind the scenes. the schools federal grant money and research they get to do is a huge driver of this...forget pitt its over as most people now dont even remember that rivalry game anymore.

http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2010/02/15/being-bill-powers/

Good article, good take on the R&D side. And I agree that Texas would be a good fit, but no mention of other sports besides football and basketball, and what it does to an athletic budget. I concur that Texas can in no way move first, it would have to be a reaction, and that A&M has to go along. I think that there is NO WAY that the Big Ten takes Kansas, Nebraska, et al. They either add 1 or 3, remember, this is the Big Ten we're talking about.

if it were to all come together me thinks texas/a&m/mizzou would all join the big 10. agreed kansas wont come to the big10 w/ nebraska being an outside shot if all the other schools fall thru....IF you see colorado jump ship at that point the domino's will fall quickly. 

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[SaintsFAN]

come on reg u know racing...she purposely was going to the back for the first 1/2 of the race to stay out of trouble. pbr could be riding a ten speed bike and keep the draft with many cars breaking up the airflow. many cup drivers do this in the 500, there are just as many wrecks at the front...did junior not go airborne and flip while fighting for second place?

EDIT: btw reg how 'bout that move by junior...incredible had pbr up out of his seat  watching it. that boy can still get up on the wheel and drive when he has the car. and a big thumbs down to the track...this is daytona not north wilkesboro. get the track repaved before the cup series is back on july 4th...pot holes? seriously? the track is in florida not pennsylvania ...

PBR, God luv ya... was she hoping to get lucky and place in the top 10 down there?  How many other NASCAR guys are content to run all the way in the back.  She led a couple times in the IRL and even won once in Japan but SF thinks this is her MO... just keep people interested by finishing in the top half of the events she enters.  That way, she's still kinda talked about and still gets endorsement $$. 

Just my .01

[PBR...]

come on reg u know racing...she purposely was going to the back for the first 1/2 of the race to stay out of trouble. pbr could be riding a ten speed bike and keep the draft with many cars breaking up the airflow. many cup drivers do this in the 500, there are just as many wrecks at the front...did junior not go airborne and flip while fighting for second place?

EDIT: btw reg how 'bout that move by junior...incredible had pbr up out of his seat  watching it. that boy can still get up on the wheel and drive when he has the car. and a big thumbs down to the track...this is daytona not north wilkesboro. get the track repaved before the cup series is back on july 4th...pot holes? seriously? the track is in florida not pennsylvania ...

PBR, God luv ya... was she hoping to get lucky and place in the top 10 down there?  How many other NASCAR guys are content to run all the way in the back.  She led a couple times in the IRL and even won once in Japan but SF thinks this is her MO... just keep people interested by finishing in the top half of the events she enters.  That way, she's still kinda talked about and still gets endorsement $$. 

Just my .01

me thinks she would of been very happy w/ a top 20 finish. w/ that many cup drivers in the race she was actually pretty realistic in where she thought she would finish. many cup drivers run the first 1/2 towards the back, in fact roush drivers are notorious for doing this at restrictor plate tracks. stewart and several others also hang out the backside and dont want to use up their equipment trying to stay out front for the first 100 laps.  this week will be more of challenge for her. the 1.5 mile tracks are all about handling and this is where her inexperience will start to show.