FB: Liberty League

[Doid23]

Can someone let me know when it's alright to start seriously assessing the state of Union's program? And without all of the "we're all disappointed" crap, and "the kids are out there trying", and "all this negativity is hurting the team" garbage. Because a team that was expected to compete for the LL, and predicted by many to win it, is on pace to finish 2-7.

I haven't been able to see any Union games in the past several years because I live 1/2 a country away, but as Bill Parcells used to say, you are what your record says you are.

2010: 2-7
2009: 8-3
2008: 5-4
2007: 5-5
2006: 7-3               

I know (and like) almost every key player involved in this program, so this is not a pointing fingers exercise. This year they had a lot of returning talent, and fell flat. I will accept that Connolly's heartbreaking tragedy affected the team, but I'm looking at a longer period.  My question is, given the last 5 years, has something changed in the program? Is Union happy to put a team on the field that can compete every few years for a LL title? Has admissions or the financial aid office changed their policies? Is this a recruiting issue? What is going on here???

[JT]

Can someone let me know when it's alright to start seriously assessing the state of Union's program? And without all of the "we're all disappointed" crap, and "the kids are out there trying", and "all this negativity is hurting the team" garbage. Because a team that was expected to compete for the LL, and predicted by many to win it, is on pace to finish 2-7.

I haven't been able to see any Union games in the past several years because I live 1/2 a country away, but as Bill Parcells used to say, you are what your record says you are.

2010: 2-7
2009: 8-3
2008: 5-4
2007: 5-5
2006: 7-3               

I know (and like) almost every key player involved in this program, so this is not a pointing fingers exercise. This year they had a lot of returning talent, and fell flat. I will accept that Connolly's heartbreaking tragedy affected the team, but I'm looking at a longer period.  My question is, given the last 5 years, has something changed in the program? Is Union happy to put a team on the field that can compete every few years for a LL title? Has admissions or the financial aid office changed their policies? Is this a recruiting issue? What is going on here???

I know this guy who's kid is going to Union from North Jersey.  They gave him a package that beat the 1/2 scholarships from some DII schools and aid from other DIII privates.  I'd guess the family is middle to upper middle class income wise.  So I think Union spends well for what it wants.

Maybe you need RUDY 

[Doid23]

Maybe you need RUDY 

Coincidentally enough, Union's head coach (John Audino) was a walk on RB at Notre Dame when Rudy was there.

[Knightstalker]

Can someone let me know when it's alright to start seriously assessing the state of Union's program? And without all of the "we're all disappointed" crap, and "the kids are out there trying", and "all this negativity is hurting the team" garbage. Because a team that was expected to compete for the LL, and predicted by many to win it, is on pace to finish 2-7.

I haven't been able to see any Union games in the past several years because I live 1/2 a country away, but as Bill Parcells used to say, you are what your record says you are.

2010: 2-7
2009: 8-3
2008: 5-4
2007: 5-5
2006: 7-3               

I know (and like) almost every key player involved in this program, so this is not a pointing fingers exercise. This year they had a lot of returning talent, and fell flat. I will accept that Connolly's heartbreaking tragedy affected the team, but I'm looking at a longer period.  My question is, given the last 5 years, has something changed in the program? Is Union happy to put a team on the field that can compete every few years for a LL title? Has admissions or the financial aid office changed their policies? Is this a recruiting issue? What is going on here???

I know this guy who's kid is going to Union from North Jersey.  They gave him a package that beat the 1/2 scholarships from some DII schools and aid from other DIII privates.  I'd guess the family is middle to upper middle class income wise.  So I think Union spends well for what it wants.

Maybe you need RUDY 

Whenever KS hears the name Rudy, he thinks back to his Navy days and trip KS and several friends took to Busch Gardens in Williamsburg.  Rudy was one of the Clydedales there and when we were watching him he decided to take a leak.  Rudy was sporting a fire hose.

[JT]

Maybe you need RUDY 

Coincidentally enough, Union's head coach (John Audino) was a walk on RB at Notre Dame when Rudy was there.

JT knows.  He also knows that Audino at a minimum, dislikes Rudy.

[Doid23]

Maybe you need RUDY 

Coincidentally enough, Union's head coach (John Audino) was a walk on RB at Notre Dame when Rudy was there.

JT knows.  He also knows that Audino at a minimum, dislikes Rudy.

Then well played, +K. At a minimum, to say the least.

[Yanks 99]

Maybe you need RUDY 

Coincidentally enough, Union's head coach (John Audino) was a walk on RB at Notre Dame when Rudy was there.

JT knows.  He also knows that Audino at a minimum, dislikes Rudy.

I am a big Notre Dame fan...and in all honesty, I can not think of one former player, coach, or anyone else associated with the program that has anything great/wonderful to say about the "real" Rudy...

Can anyone else?  Maybe I am missing something here?

[JT]

Maybe you need RUDY 

Coincidentally enough, Union's head coach (John Audino) was a walk on RB at Notre Dame when Rudy was there.

JT knows.  He also knows that Audino at a minimum, dislikes Rudy.

I am a big Notre Dame fan...and in all honesty, I can not think of one former player, coach, or anyone else associated with the program that has anything great/wonderful to say about the "real" Rudy...

Can anyone else?  Maybe I am missing something here?

The general gist from those that know Audino and post here is:

Audino thinks Rudy stole Audino's scout team thunder.

[Frank Rossi]

Can someone let me know when it's alright to start seriously assessing the state of Union's program? And without all of the "we're all disappointed" crap, and "the kids are out there trying", and "all this negativity is hurting the team" garbage. Because a team that was expected to compete for the LL, and predicted by many to win it, is on pace to finish 2-7.

I haven't been able to see any Union games in the past several years because I live 1/2 a country away, but as Bill Parcells used to say, you are what your record says you are.

2010: 2-7
2009: 8-3
2008: 5-4
2007: 5-5
2006: 7-3               

I know (and like) almost every key player involved in this program, so this is not a pointing fingers exercise. This year they had a lot of returning talent, and fell flat. I will accept that Connolly's heartbreaking tragedy affected the team, but I'm looking at a longer period.  My question is, given the last 5 years, has something changed in the program? Is Union happy to put a team on the field that can compete every few years for a LL title? Has admissions or the financial aid office changed their policies? Is this a recruiting issue? What is going on here???

We discussed briefly at the end of last night's ITH.

[PBR...]

TGP...LOL funny 'ish...great cartoon check it out when u have a second...

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/i-trade-size

[union89]

Can someone let me know when it's alright to start seriously assessing the state of Union's program? And without all of the "we're all disappointed" crap, and "the kids are out there trying", and "all this negativity is hurting the team" garbage. Because a team that was expected to compete for the LL, and predicted by many to win it, is on pace to finish 2-7.

I haven't been able to see any Union games in the past several years because I live 1/2 a country away, but as Bill Parcells used to say, you are what your record says you are.

2010: 2-7
2009: 8-3
2008: 5-4
2007: 5-5
2006: 7-3               

I know (and like) almost every key player involved in this program, so this is not a pointing fingers exercise. This year they had a lot of returning talent, and fell flat. I will accept that Connolly's heartbreaking tragedy affected the team, but I'm looking at a longer period.  My question is, given the last 5 years, has something changed in the program? Is Union happy to put a team on the field that can compete every few years for a LL title? Has admissions or the financial aid office changed their policies? Is this a recruiting issue? What is going on here???

Worse yet....over the past few years, I've started to lose interest in the program.

[Frank Rossi]

Can someone let me know when it's alright to start seriously assessing the state of Union's program? And without all of the "we're all disappointed" crap, and "the kids are out there trying", and "all this negativity is hurting the team" garbage. Because a team that was expected to compete for the LL, and predicted by many to win it, is on pace to finish 2-7.

I haven't been able to see any Union games in the past several years because I live 1/2 a country away, but as Bill Parcells used to say, you are what your record says you are.

2010: 2-7
2009: 8-3
2008: 5-4
2007: 5-5
2006: 7-3               

I know (and like) almost every key player involved in this program, so this is not a pointing fingers exercise. This year they had a lot of returning talent, and fell flat. I will accept that Connolly's heartbreaking tragedy affected the team, but I'm looking at a longer period.  My question is, given the last 5 years, has something changed in the program? Is Union happy to put a team on the field that can compete every few years for a LL title? Has admissions or the financial aid office changed their policies? Is this a recruiting issue? What is going on here???

Worse yet....over the past few years, I've started to lose interest in the program.

I think that's something not isolated to Union fans right now.  Hobart, aside from the 3,900 during the one night game, hasn't had great attendances.  Neither has RPI, even with the state-of-the-art facilities.  Looking at the message boards, things are definitely more quiet than normal.

In every cloud, there is a silver lining, though.  I've never had so much outreach in my direction from alumni who want to help the program.  For as much as 10-0 woke up people in 2005, 3-6/2-7 is waking people up in 2010.  The same mistakes that were made in 2005, though, cannot be repeated now insofar as letting that interest slip away and the things that allowed the slippage to go untouched.  We're collecting names, numbers and suggestions at this point so that we prevent 25 people separately bombarding the powers that be -- and trying to get the best response possible together.  So, take heart that people do care and understand where some of the shortcomings have been.  I'm actually confident that as quickly as things turned here, they can be turned back with the right dose of school and alumni support.  Keep your interest -- that's one of the things that helps motivate the team.

[Doid23]

TGP...LOL funny 'ish...great cartoon check it out when u have a second...

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/i-trade-size

+K Cracked me up

[PBR...]

ahhh yes... the good ol' s.e.c. win at all costs...cam newton to the highest bidder...well now the f.b.i. is looking into all this mess...this is gonna get ugly

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/11/report-fbi-wants-to-talk-with-john-bond-about-cam-newton-recruiting-allegations/1

[Doid23]

ahhh yes... the good ol' s.e.c. win at all costs...cam newton to the highest bidder...well now the f.b.i. is looking into all this mess...this is gonna get ugly

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2010/11/report-fbi-wants-to-talk-with-john-bond-about-cam-newton-recruiting-allegations/1

I'm fine with the NCAA Compliance group investigating this, but why in the world is the FBI involved? I'm sure there are some technical violations (cross state, mail, etc.), but conceptually?