FB: Liberty League

[Jonny Utah]

Well, Hobart is in a big bind -- but this actually could open up the playbook for an interesting scenario.

Let's say Hobart got stuck at 8 games.  Either the Statesmen win the LL or end up, at best, at 7-1.  Since the Selection Committee has begun ignoring in-region vs. out-of-region distinctions due to the small sample sizes, Hobart would already be an extreme Pool C underdog -- so much so, that I would assume the Selection Committee would lump Hobart into a 2-loss team comparison before it would compare it to the 1-loss pool.

If that's the case, then WHY NOT PLAY UWW OR WESLEY?  Things change immensely if the purpose of strategic scheduling in the first place unravels because of the problem they're encountering.  The point here is that it is better to play a 9-game schedule with a national contender than it is to play an 8-game schedule with virtually no chance at a Pool C bid at the outset.  The only tough part is that there would be no reciprocal game in 2012 as it currently stands -- but part of me feels that Wesley or UWW would be willing to share expenses to at least buy this type of game for one year and build a relationship with a school in another region for the future.  I'd urge Hobart to consider this scenario if things don't change soon.

D2 or 1-AA non scholorship schools might also be options. 

[labart96]

Cornell U anyone?

[Jonny Utah]

Cornell U anyone?

I still always wonder why there isn't a match up like that though.  They do it in basketball, why not football?

[Frank Rossi]

Cornell U anyone?

I still always wonder why there isn't a match up like that though.  They do it in basketball, why not football?

Baskeball seasons are 25 to 32 games long.  Football is 9 or 10.  Just more room to play those types of games in basketball schedules.

[Jonny Utah]

Cornell U anyone?

I still always wonder why there isn't a match up like that though.  They do it in basketball, why not football?

Baskeball seasons are 25 to 32 games long.  Football is 9 or 10.  Just more room to play those types of games in basketball schedules.

Hobart seems to have some room!  But yea I know, but you would think there would be one major 1-AA team that would play a good d3 team over the past 40 years. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Memo to NCAA and Johnny Labcoat: YES, there are worthy 2-loss teams out there!  MAYBE not Stagg teams (though maybe yes), but 2-loss teams better than many 1-loss teams.

Part of my point is that there can be and should be worthy 2-loss teams.  I'm just saying that most years their aren't, and that is why we haven't seen any (or many).

We may have to just agree to disagree on this.  I believe that essentially EVERY year there are at least 3-4 2-loss teams better than most 1-loss pool C candidates. 

In 2009, for example, NCC lost to ONU out-of-conference.  Both finished 8-2.  NCC faced IWU with serious injury problems.  Even as a die-hard Titan fan, I'm unconvinced that IWU (who won the game and the AQ) could have stayed within 2 TDs of them if they were healthy.  IF NCC were healthy come playoff time (and I don't recall which injuries were very temporary and which were season-ending), I'm convinced they were a major threat to anyone.  ONU did not make pool C (though they probably also would have been dangerous) and therefore, of course, neither did NCC.

[labart96]

and some years there are unworthy 10-0 teams like SUNY Maritime who lost 60-0...

the system isn't perfect but it's what we've got...

[Mr. Ypsi]

and some years there are unworthy 10-0 teams like SUNY Maritime who lost 60-0...

the system isn't perfect but it's what we've got...

True, but that is Pool A.  I support Pools A and B - EVERY team deserves a known route to the tourney.  We're talking Pool C - the 'best of the rest'.  If the committee has decided that no one but 1-loss teams will even be considered, I'm in favor of impeachment of the committee!

[AUPepBand]

and some years there are unworthy 10-0 teams like SUNY Maritime who lost 60-0...

the system isn't perfect but it's what we've got...

True, but that is Pool A.  I support Pools A and B - EVERY team deserves a known route to the tourney.  We're talking Pool C - the 'best of the rest'.  If the committee has decided that no one but 1-loss teams will even be considered, I'm in favor of impeachment of the committee!

SUNY Maritime was a Pool B team. The ECFC was not a Pool A conference in 2010. Not sure, but Pep thinks it becomes a Pool A conference this year (2011). Not sure where on this website I can verify that, but the omnipresent eyes of the guru will see this and likely straighten Pep out as he has many times before.

[Mr. Ypsi]

and some years there are unworthy 10-0 teams like SUNY Maritime who lost 60-0...

the system isn't perfect but it's what we've got...

True, but that is Pool A.  I support Pools A and B - EVERY team deserves a known route to the tourney.  We're talking Pool C - the 'best of the rest'.  If the committee has decided that no one but 1-loss teams will even be considered, I'm in favor of impeachment of the committee!

SUNY Maritime was a Pool B team. The ECFC was not a Pool A conference in 2010. Not sure, but Pep thinks it becomes a Pool A conference this year (2011). Not sure where on this website I can verify that, but the omnipresent eyes of the guru will see this and likely straighten me out as he does many times before.

Good catch - my bad!  Still, I have no qualms about an undefeated team getting a shot.  Even if they played nobody, they still never lost - who knows how good they may (or in this case, may NOT) be?  But to automatically essentially disqualify 2-loss teams vs. 1-loss teams is just plain wrong.

[labart96]

That's correct - SUNY M was a Pool B. 

I don't think we disagree with you Ypsi, but the Committee has been pretty clear that 2 loss teams are fighting an uphill battle given the small number of Pool C bids.

[AlleyCat]

Any word on the RPI Football job? Are there finalists yet?

[Frank Rossi]

Any word on the RPI Football job? Are there finalists yet?

Yes.  'gro is the only finalist.  RPI will go 9-0 next season -- something about a Purple Drank for every player before kickoff will make the difference.

[labart96]

Any word on the RPI Football job? Are there finalists yet?

Yes.  'gro is the only finalist.  RPI will go 9-0 next season -- something about a Purple Drank for every player before kickoff will make the difference.

This is too good not to re-post:

If JT had a vote it would be:

[Knightstalker]

To you upstaters who remember Marc Brown as a player as Siena, he won his first NJAC championship with NJCU tonight in his fourth year as coach.