FB: Liberty League

[Frank Rossi]

By the way, in case you ever felt instant replay was a bad idea for college football, a blind linesman and an incredible Hail Mary play last night contributed to ensuring it never goes away...

[dlippiel]

Anyone watch the Navy game yesterday evening? If so, any thoughts on that reviewed TD pass that was disallowed with less than a minute to go? What is the rule specifically? To dlip, it seemed as if the Midshipman receiver had clear possesion, the ball broke the plane, and then came out of his hands as a result of the turf. The grond cannot cause a fumble right? What about an incomplete pass where the reciever actually caught athe ball, stretched out his arms to cross the goal line with the ball, and then the ball comes out one it hits the turf completely in his hands? Just curious thats all. To dlip, it seems like it should have been ruled good, but dlip admittedly does not know the specific rules regarding that call.

Story:   http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=312952426

[Frank Rossi]

Anyone watch the Navy game yesterday evening? If so, any thoughts on that reviewed TD pass that was disallowed with less than a minute to go? What is the rule specifically? To dlip, it seemed as if the Midshipman receiver had clear possesion, the ball broke the plane, and then came out of his hands as a result of the turf. The grond cannot cause a fumble right? What about an incomplete pass where the reciever actually caught athe ball, stretched out his arms to cross the goal line with the ball, and then the ball comes out one it hits the turf completely in his hands? Just curious thats all. To dlip, it seems like it should have been ruled good, but dlip admittedly does not know the specific rules regarding that call.

Story:   http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=312952426

I haven't seen the play, but I'm guessing that you're confusing the idea of "the ground can't cause a fumble" with "the ground can negate the chance for a completed pass."  My guess is that the officials believed the player never firmly established possession at any point during the attempted catch and, once the ball made contact with the turf, the play was over as an incompletion.  What constitutes control?  This may be one of the most subjective questions in football that people try to claim is some how objective.  If the ball shifts in a player's hands, no control.  If the player tries to cradle the ball but it never stops moving in time for a "football move," no control.  Yet, try defining what that all means -- you really can't.  If you can find a clip of the play, I'd love to see it.

[Doid23]

In celebration of getting a decent nap for a change, I decided to celebrate with The Rev's Famous Deathburger
Two patties, loads of bacon, and provolone cheese served on a toasted Sesame bagel.

I'm digging the Deathburger, but especially high on the Sesame Bagel as the bun. It can hold up to the juices from all of the meat, doesn't get soggy like regular buns. +K

[dlippiel]

Thanks for the interpretation Frank. dlip has yet to find a video clip of the play but Navy Coach and players interpret it here if you are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NAVYFB123?blend=2&ob=5

Coach: 3:40ish

Players: 5:40ish

[mattvsmith]

In celebration of getting a decent nap for a change, I decided to celebrate with The Rev's Famous Deathburger
Two patties, loads of bacon, and provolone cheese served on a toasted Sesame bagel.

I'm digging the Deathburger, but especially high on the Sesame Bagel as the bun. It can hold up to the juices from all of the meat, doesn't get soggy like regular buns. +K

The bagel as a bun is a beautiful development in the history of the hamburger. I can't remember when I started doing it. Mrs Rev thought it was strange until she tasted it for the first time. The next time The Rev came home for lunch, Mrs Rev had the burger/bagels ready.
Now if only Costco here would carry Everything* bagels, The Rev would be stoked.

* - onion, garlic, poppy seed, sesame seed, and salt. Oh baby!

[Knightstalker]

In celebration of getting a decent nap for a change, I decided to celebrate with The Rev's Famous Deathburger
Two patties, loads of bacon, and provolone cheese served on a toasted Sesame bagel.

I'm digging the Deathburger, but especially high on the Sesame Bagel as the bun. It can hold up to the juices from all of the meat, doesn't get soggy like regular buns. +K

The bagel as a bun is a beautiful development in the history of the hamburger. I can't remember when I started doing it. Mrs Rev thought it was strange until she tasted it for the first time. The next time The Rev came home for lunch, Mrs Rev had the burger/bagels ready.
Now if only Costco here would carry Everything* bagels, The Rev would be stoked.

* - onion, garlic, poppy seed, sesame seed, and salt. Oh baby!

KS likes something similar, two patties, cheddar and bacon on a toasted english muffin as the bun.  KS will have to try the bagel, provolone and bacon, or maybe muenster and bacon or just a whole dlipload of bacon and cheese on a bagel **** the burger.

[Frank Rossi]

Thanks for the interpretation Frank. dlip has yet to find a video clip of the play but Navy Coach and players interpret it here if you are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NAVYFB123?blend=2&ob=5

Coach: 3:40ish

Players: 5:40ish

My friends at CBS Sports Network (shout out to Michael DeFusco and Ross Molloy over there) posted this, which includes the play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMlh-_DYlY (check around the 0:50 mark)

Definitely not a touchdown, dlip, based on the events.  The reason is that initial call isn't going to be overturned without clear and convincing evidence otherwise.  The initial call was incomplete, and I can't fault the official watching it in real time.  In slow motion, it looks like the one-handed action showed some level of control, but there never was what I could call a "football move" exhibited during which the receiver had indeed controlled the ball in some meaningful way to overturn the call.  Now, here's the problem:  if the call on the field were a touchdown, that call wouldn't have been overturned either.  There's just not enough video evidence to sway that call either way beyond the official's initial call.  Tough break for Navy there, no doubt, but they did fight hard in that game.

[dlippiel]

Thanks for the interpretation Frank. dlip has yet to find a video clip of the play but Navy Coach and players interpret it here if you are interested.

http://www.youtube.com/user/NAVYFB123?blend=2&ob=5

Coach: 3:40ish

Players: 5:40ish

My friends at CBS Sports Network (shout out to Michael DeFusco and Ross Malloy over there) posted this, which includes the play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsMlh-_DYlY (check around the 0:50 mark)

Definitely not a touchdown, dlip, based on the events.  The reason is that initial call isn't going to be overturned without clear and convincing evidence otherwise.  The initial call was incomplete, and I can't fault the official watching it in real time.  In slow motion, it looks like the one-handed action showed some level of control, but there never was what I could call a "football move" exhibited during which the receiver had indeed controlled the ball in some meaningful way to overturn the call.  Now, here's the problem:  if the call on the field were a touchdown, that call wouldn't have been overturned either.  There's just not enough video evidence to sway that call either way beyond the official's initial call.  Tough break for Navy there, no doubt, but they did fight hard in that game.

Frank thank you for the interpretation. dlip saw this live and wanted to seek out some further explanation to get a better understanding of the rule and possible interpretations of it. Thanks buddy. Big weekend for the U! +k for the follow up response   

[Doid23]

In celebration of getting a decent nap for a change, I decided to celebrate with The Rev's Famous Deathburger
Two patties, loads of bacon, and provolone cheese served on a toasted Sesame bagel.

I'm digging the Deathburger, but especially high on the Sesame Bagel as the bun. It can hold up to the juices from all of the meat, doesn't get soggy like regular buns. +K

The bagel as a bun is a beautiful development in the history of the hamburger. I can't remember when I started doing it. Mrs Rev thought it was strange until she tasted it for the first time. The next time The Rev came home for lunch, Mrs Rev had the burger/bagels ready.
Now if only Costco here would carry Everything* bagels, The Rev would be stoked.

* - onion, garlic, poppy seed, sesame seed, and salt. Oh baby!

KS likes something similar, two patties, cheddar and bacon on a toasted english muffin as the bun.  KS will have to try the bagel, provolone and bacon, or maybe muenster and bacon or just a whole dlipload of bacon and cheese on a bagel **** the burger.

That was Doid's hangover breakfast back when he was younger (and drunker). The deli on the Upper East Side used to make it to perfection. I'm sure the cumulative effect of all those breakfast concoctions has taken years off of my life, but I am still comfortable that they were worth it.

[K-Mack]

Hey, any of you guys that played in the Dutchman's Shoes game over the years willing to talk about it on the record. Looking for stories that aren't often recounted in rivalry-game articles ... e-mail me at keith.mcmillan@d3sports.com and I'll be more specific.

[Frank Rossi]

Hey, any of you guys that played in the Dutchman's Shoes game over the years willing to talk about it on the record. Looking for stories that aren't often recounted in rivalry-game articles ... e-mail me at keith.mcmillan@d3sports.com and I'll be more specific.

Hit up Señor Red Tackle, K-Mack.  He doesn't appear much on here these days, but I'm sure he has stories.

[Doid23]

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

If the Shoes game is happening, but all of the Union and RPI posters have left the boards, is it just another game?

[mattvsmith]

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

If the Shoes game is happening, but all of the Union and RPI posters have left the boards, is it just another game?

Seriously, what happened to this board?

I haven't read about a 5 dollar bill being wadded up and bounced of a friendosaurus's forehead in ages.

[pumkinattack]

In celebration of getting a decent nap for a change, I decided to celebrate with The Rev's Famous Deathburger
Two patties, loads of bacon, and provolone cheese served on a toasted Sesame bagel.

I'm digging the Deathburger, but especially high on the Sesame Bagel as the bun. It can hold up to the juices from all of the meat, doesn't get soggy like regular buns. +K

The bagel as a bun is a beautiful development in the history of the hamburger. I can't remember when I started doing it. Mrs Rev thought it was strange until she tasted it for the first time. The next time The Rev came home for lunch, Mrs Rev had the burger/bagels ready.
Now if only Costco here would carry Everything* bagels, The Rev would be stoked.

* - onion, garlic, poppy seed, sesame seed, and salt. Oh baby!

KS likes something similar, two patties, cheddar and bacon on a toasted english muffin as the bun.  KS will have to try the bagel, provolone and bacon, or maybe muenster and bacon or just a whole dlipload of bacon and cheese on a bagel **** the burger.

That was Doid's hangover breakfast back when he was younger (and drunker). The deli on the Upper East Side used to make it to perfection. I'm sure the cumulative effect of all those breakfast concoctions has taken years off of my life, but I am still comfortable that they were worth it.

The best place for burgers in Atlanta, Vortex, has this:

THE TRIPLE CORONARY BYPASStm (aka THE SUPER STACK)
Made with two half-pound Vortex sirloin patties stacked inside three grilled cheese sandwiches, topped with two
fried eggs, eight slices of American cheese, ten slices of bacon and plenty of mayo on the side. With this
burger we choose your side for you, and it's a big bowl of fries and tots covered in our cheesy-cheese goo.
This super-stack is a heart attack waiting to happen. Enjoy! (No lettuce, tomato or onion) 26.95