FB: Liberty League

[Oline89]

So here's a Q:

If IC turns down a NYS Bowl Game bid, and Hobart does too, is there a point where the LL and the E8 realize that this game is not the draw they thought it might be?

I mean, maybe I'm putting too much stock in Ithaca basically having the stance of "We don't want a rematch" and Hobart will end up playing in it.

But at the same time, the rematch issue was predictable from the start, and it doesn't look like it's going away any time soon. At some point, I'm guessing the powers that be would want the game, which is being marketed as, "The top non NCAA playoff teams from the E8/LL" to actually feature the top non playoff teams

I hope they keep the game, and just let Cortland Ithaca deal with the Cortica Jug issue.  The Centennial League has a post season bowl, and use it as a recruiting tool.  I know its blasphemy on these boards, but IMO moving the Cortica game to earlier in the season, makes more sense for the rest of the E8/LL.  It would make week 11 potentially mean something to the other 14 teams.

[Machiavelli]

I'm really curious how the committee is going to view RPI if they run the table and what type of matchup they'd be looking at in Round 1. Geographically, I'd hope they will be in line to get a favorable matchup in Round 1(maybe Western Ct./Framingham, Husson, Endicott/WNE, MIT/Springfield - I think these all get bids now right?). I'd have to think Brockport will be the clear cut # 1 and the committee will keep them in Region. I think for geographical reasons, RPI will HAVE to get one of the aforementioned favorable matchups because there are just too many of them not to. 1 of those teams will likely get shipped out to play UMHB or something though(I hope). It's crazy that 4 playoff slots HAVE to get awarded there. Here is my East Region seeding based on what I think is going to happen:

1. Brockport
2. Frostburg
3. RPI
4. Delaware Valley
5. MIT
6. Framingham St.
7. Salisbury
8. Endicott
9. Husson

However, Salisbury will be in the mix with 1 loss(or technically Frosty if Salisbury pulls that out so i'm factoring them in my matchups below), meaning someone gets shipped out. What will most likely happen is a team like MIT will get to host Husson because Husson is in Siberia. I'd guess RPI pulls Endicott or Framingham(if RPI wins out).



Now, I might be missing some details if any of these don't have bids, but I didn't do my homework to check. Can't tell if NEWMAC has a bid or not, but an undefeated MIT would get in anyway(I think).

Brockport(H) vs. Framingham (Framingham is just under 400 miles)
Frostburg(H) vs. Delaware Valley
RPI(H) vs. Endicott
MIT(H) vs. Salisbury

Husson gets sent down to Texas.

[MRMIKESMITH]

I'm really curious how the committee is going to view RPI if they run the table and what type of matchup they'd be looking at in Round 1. Geographically, I'd hope they will be in line to get a favorable matchup in Round 1(maybe Western Ct./Framingham, Husson, Endicott/WNE, MIT/Springfield - I think these all get bids now right?). I'd have to think Brockport will be the clear cut # 1 and the committee will keep them in Region. I think for geographical reasons, RPI will HAVE to get one of the aforementioned favorable matchups because there are just too many of them not to. 1 of those teams will likely get shipped out to play UMHB or something though(I hope). It's crazy that 4 playoff slots HAVE to get awarded there. Here is my East Region seeding based on what I think is going to happen:

1. Brockport
2. Frostburg
3. RPI
4. Delaware Valley
5. MIT
6. Framingham St.
7. Salisbury
8. Endicott
9. Husson

However, Salisbury will be in the mix with 1 loss(or technically Frosty if Salisbury pulls that out so i'm factoring them in my matchups below), meaning someone gets shipped out. What will most likely happen is a team like MIT will get to host Husson because Husson is in Siberia. I'd guess RPI pulls Endicott or Framingham(if RPI wins out).



Now, I might be missing some details if any of these don't have bids, but I didn't do my homework to check. Can't tell if NEWMAC has a bid or not, but an undefeated MIT would get in anyway(I think).

Brockport(H) vs. Framingham (Framingham is just under 400 miles)
Frostburg(H) vs. Delaware Valley
RPI(H) vs. Endicott
MIT(H) vs. Salisbury

Husson gets sent down to Texas.

Doubt Husson gets ship to Texas, I would expect Husson to play MIT and Brockport v. Endicott and Framingham State v. MIT Salisbury getting ship to play Johns Hopkins or Muhlenberg or Randolph Macon to prevent rematch of Hopkins Macon. This all change if Salisbury wins out, as Frostburg can play more of the NCAC/OAC/PAC Schools.

[Machiavelli]

I'm really curious how the committee is going to view RPI if they run the table and what type of matchup they'd be looking at in Round 1. Geographically, I'd hope they will be in line to get a favorable matchup in Round 1(maybe Western Ct./Framingham, Husson, Endicott/WNE, MIT/Springfield - I think these all get bids now right?). I'd have to think Brockport will be the clear cut # 1 and the committee will keep them in Region. I think for geographical reasons, RPI will HAVE to get one of the aforementioned favorable matchups because there are just too many of them not to. 1 of those teams will likely get shipped out to play UMHB or something though(I hope). It's crazy that 4 playoff slots HAVE to get awarded there. Here is my East Region seeding based on what I think is going to happen:

1. Brockport
2. Frostburg
3. RPI
4. Delaware Valley
5. MIT
6. Framingham St.
7. Salisbury
8. Endicott
9. Husson

However, Salisbury will be in the mix with 1 loss(or technically Frosty if Salisbury pulls that out so i'm factoring them in my matchups below), meaning someone gets shipped out. What will most likely happen is a team like MIT will get to host Husson because Husson is in Siberia. I'd guess RPI pulls Endicott or Framingham(if RPI wins out).



Now, I might be missing some details if any of these don't have bids, but I didn't do my homework to check. Can't tell if NEWMAC has a bid or not, but an undefeated MIT would get in anyway(I think).

Brockport(H) vs. Framingham (Framingham is just under 400 miles)
Frostburg(H) vs. Delaware Valley
RPI(H) vs. Endicott
MIT(H) vs. Salisbury

Husson gets sent down to Texas.

Doubt Husson gets ship to Texas, I would expect Husson to play MIT and Brockport v. Endicott and Framingham State v. MIT Salisbury getting ship to play Johns Hopkins or Muhlenberg or Randolph Macon to prevent rematch of Hopkins Macon. This all change if Salisbury wins out, as Frostburg can play more of the NCAC/OAC/PAC Schools.

So RPI gets a bye then?

[Pat Coleman]

It's highly unlikely that eight teams from one region would all be in the same bracket.

[Machiavelli]

It's highly unlikely that eight teams from one region would all be in the same bracket.

Yeah I know, it's just hard to figure out when you have so many Automatic Bids. You have like Hopkins/Muhlenburg or W&J as options to ship in, then you gotta ship some out. With New England literally stealing bids, I wouldn't be surprised if 2 get shipped out, and unlike MANDGSU, I think Husson is a perfect fit to go across the country. Then it might be Salisbury or Frosty going out as well like last year.

[MRMIKESMITH]

I'm really curious how the committee is going to view RPI if they run the table and what type of matchup they'd be looking at in Round 1. Geographically, I'd hope they will be in line to get a favorable matchup in Round 1(maybe Western Ct./Framingham, Husson, Endicott/WNE, MIT/Springfield - I think these all get bids now right?). I'd have to think Brockport will be the clear cut # 1 and the committee will keep them in Region. I think for geographical reasons, RPI will HAVE to get one of the aforementioned favorable matchups because there are just too many of them not to. 1 of those teams will likely get shipped out to play UMHB or something though(I hope). It's crazy that 4 playoff slots HAVE to get awarded there. Here is my East Region seeding based on what I think is going to happen:

1. Brockport
2. Frostburg
3. RPI
4. Delaware Valley
5. MIT
6. Framingham St.
7. Salisbury
8. Endicott
9. Husson

However, Salisbury will be in the mix with 1 loss(or technically Frosty if Salisbury pulls that out so i'm factoring them in my matchups below), meaning someone gets shipped out. What will most likely happen is a team like MIT will get to host Husson because Husson is in Siberia. I'd guess RPI pulls Endicott or Framingham(if RPI wins out).



Now, I might be missing some details if any of these don't have bids, but I didn't do my homework to check. Can't tell if NEWMAC has a bid or not, but an undefeated MIT would get in anyway(I think).

Brockport(H) vs. Framingham (Framingham is just under 400 miles)
Frostburg(H) vs. Delaware Valley
RPI(H) vs. Endicott
MIT(H) vs. Salisbury

Husson gets sent down to Texas.

Doubt Husson gets ship to Texas, I would expect Husson to play MIT and Brockport v. Endicott and Framingham State v. MIT RPI, Salisbury getting ship to play Johns Hopkins or Muhlenberg or Randolph Macon to prevent rematch of Hopkins Macon. This all change if Salisbury wins out, as Frostburg can play more of the NCAC/OAC/PAC Schools.

So RPI gets a bye then?

Framingham at RPI, also as Pat mentioned, the pods may not all be in a "East" bracket, maybe a portion in the "South" and/or "North", however I don't think the 1st round matchups change all that much except a couple teams.

[Oline89]

I'm really curious how the committee is going to view RPI if they run the table and what type of matchup they'd be looking at in Round 1. Geographically, I'd hope they will be in line to get a favorable matchup in Round 1(maybe Western Ct./Framingham, Husson, Endicott/WNE, MIT/Springfield - I think these all get bids now right?). I'd have to think Brockport will be the clear cut # 1 and the committee will keep them in Region. I think for geographical reasons, RPI will HAVE to get one of the aforementioned favorable matchups because there are just too many of them not to. 1 of those teams will likely get shipped out to play UMHB or something though(I hope). It's crazy that 4 playoff slots HAVE to get awarded there. Here is my East Region seeding based on what I think is going to happen:

1. Brockport
2. Frostburg
3. RPI
4. Delaware Valley
5. MIT
6. Framingham St.
7. Salisbury
8. Endicott
9. Husson

However, Salisbury will be in the mix with 1 loss(or technically Frosty if Salisbury pulls that out so i'm factoring them in my matchups below), meaning someone gets shipped out. What will most likely happen is a team like MIT will get to host Husson because Husson is in Siberia. I'd guess RPI pulls Endicott or Framingham(if RPI wins out).



Now, I might be missing some details if any of these don't have bids, but I didn't do my homework to check. Can't tell if NEWMAC has a bid or not, but an undefeated MIT would get in anyway(I think).

Brockport(H) vs. Framingham (Framingham is just under 400 miles)
Frostburg(H) vs. Delaware Valley
RPI(H) vs. Endicott
MIT(H) vs. Salisbury

Husson gets sent down to Texas.

That might be the regional ranking, but the East isn't going to get as high an overall ranking.  I would assume RPI ends the year somewhere around 15, so playing someone locally in the 15-18 range?  Maybe Del Val or Muhlenberg?

[ITH radio]

Husson at RPI could happen -

Last Monday (10/15) Frank predicted this:

1) Brockport
2) Frostburg
3) RPI
4) DelVal
5) MIT
6) WestConn
7) WNEU
8) Husson

As a potential ranking - nothing happened this weekend that would prob change that

[Pat Coleman]

I'm really curious how the committee is going to view RPI if they run the table and what type of matchup they'd be looking at in Round 1. Geographically, I'd hope they will be in line to get a favorable matchup in Round 1(maybe Western Ct./Framingham, Husson, Endicott/WNE, MIT/Springfield - I think these all get bids now right?). I'd have to think Brockport will be the clear cut # 1 and the committee will keep them in Region. I think for geographical reasons, RPI will HAVE to get one of the aforementioned favorable matchups because there are just too many of them not to. 1 of those teams will likely get shipped out to play UMHB or something though(I hope). It's crazy that 4 playoff slots HAVE to get awarded there. Here is my East Region seeding based on what I think is going to happen:

1. Brockport
2. Frostburg
3. RPI
4. Delaware Valley
5. MIT
6. Framingham St.
7. Salisbury
8. Endicott
9. Husson

However, Salisbury will be in the mix with 1 loss(or technically Frosty if Salisbury pulls that out so i'm factoring them in my matchups below), meaning someone gets shipped out. What will most likely happen is a team like MIT will get to host Husson because Husson is in Siberia. I'd guess RPI pulls Endicott or Framingham(if RPI wins out).



Now, I might be missing some details if any of these don't have bids, but I didn't do my homework to check. Can't tell if NEWMAC has a bid or not, but an undefeated MIT would get in anyway(I think).

Brockport(H) vs. Framingham (Framingham is just under 400 miles)
Frostburg(H) vs. Delaware Valley
RPI(H) vs. Endicott
MIT(H) vs. Salisbury

Husson gets sent down to Texas.

Doubt Husson gets ship to Texas, I would expect Husson to play MIT and Brockport v. Endicott and Framingham State v. MIT RPI, Salisbury getting ship to play Johns Hopkins or Muhlenberg or Randolph Macon to prevent rematch of Hopkins Macon. This all change if Salisbury wins out, as Frostburg can play more of the NCAC/OAC/PAC Schools.

So RPI gets a bye then?

Framingham at RPI, also as Pat mentioned, the pods may not all be in a "East" bracket, maybe a portion in the "South" and/or "North", however I don't think the 1st round matchups change all that much except a couple teams.

I do. I think you won't see four East-on-East games no matter where they are placed in the bracket. There are some which are unavoidable, but any which are avoidable will be avoided, I'm sure.

[Oline89]

Husson at RPI could happen -

Last Monday (10/15) Frank predicted this:

1) Brockport
2) Frostburg
3) RPI
4) DelVal
5) MIT
6) WestConn
7) WNEU
8) Husson

As a potential ranking - nothing happened this weekend that would prob change that

If this ranking holds up, couldn't a 3-6 match-up be a possibility?  Mach, RPI v West Conn?  Ironic.....

[Machiavelli]

Husson at RPI could happen -

Last Monday (10/15) Frank predicted this:

1) Brockport
2) Frostburg
3) RPI
4) DelVal
5) MIT
6) WestConn
7) WNEU
8) Husson

As a potential ranking - nothing happened this weekend that would prob change that

If this ranking holds up, couldn't a 3-6 match-up be a possibility?  Mach, RPI v West Conn?  Ironic.....

I would LOVE that matchup, but Framingham is gonna destroy WConn so it's a moot point.

So to ITH/Pat, I don't disagree with your assessments at all, I guess my question is will an undefeated RPI possibly get a beneficial matchup, based on their geography to some of these New England teams? No one really knows right now so it's all hypothetical, but obviously winning out is the absolute best chance of that happening, particularly since RPI does have a favorable Top 25 rank compared to some other 3, 4, 5 type seeds. Brockport could get a crumby North team shipped over for a Rd 1 matchup, and DVC, Salisbury, Frosty etc all have the possibility to be shipped South too based on their locations and a New England team(Husson) sent across the country.

[Pat Coleman]

RPI's Top 25 rank doesn't play a role here but RPI is within 500 miles of Husson and that would probably be the most equitable matchup for Husson within 500 miles.

[Machiavelli]

Based on what I said above, sometimes this works in a negative too. I could see the NCAA giving RPI a nice first round matchup(high % winnable), to be followed by Brockport(<10% winnable). Alternately, they could get a tougher matchup in Rd 1(more of a 50/50 type game), like DVC, and the winner could get like a W&J/Hopkins(another 50/50 or close type game(on paper)). Not taking away from those teams at all, but I think Brockport is in that full fledged Top Tier right now and likely won't be challenged until the Final 8 at the earliest. The selection committee tends to bury teams in Rd 2 who have a really favorable Rd 1 matchup.

[Bartman]

Based on what I said above, sometimes this works in a negative too. I could see the NCAA giving RPI a nice first round matchup(high % winnable), to be followed by Brockport(<10% winnable). Alternately, they could get a tougher matchup in Rd 1(more of a 50/50 type game), like DVC, and the winner could get like a W&J/Hopkins(another 50/50 or close type game(on paper)). Not taking away from those teams at all, but I think Brockport is in that full fledged Top Tier right now and likely won't be challenged until the Final 8 at the earliest. The selection committee tends to bury teams in Rd 2 who have a really favorable Rd 1 matchup.

These premature words will now jinx the Engineers as Tyler Grochot, the SLU QB passes for 500 yards and upsets RPI in Troy as the Statesmen narrowly defeat the Bombers at the Boz that day...then , the next week the Dutchmen win the Shoes and crush the dreams of the slide-rulers .... setting up an old fashion death match in Canton for the LL Title between Hobart and the Saints .......believe it and it will happen