FB: Liberty League

[UfanBill]

As a Union guy who has had to deal with two MASCAC episodes in four days as a media personality, here's my take:

1) Win with f'ing class;
2) Understand that what seems like stupid childish behavior can escalate beyond control;
3) Don't ever drink from the Shoes unless you disinfect the hell out of them;
4) Instead of acting like a jackass, go knock on your AD's door and demand bowl game access since you deserve a postseason berth.  In other words, rise above the "adults" who seem hell-bent on not rewarding success.


Having said that, congrats to the players for putting together a great season.  When I get to sit down with new Union President Harris later this year, I'll tout that fact while trying to resolve other issues that have sat uncorrected for way too long.

Frank, +k to you for your comments. I agree that Reilly's actions were somewhat classless (reminiscent of like when former RPI players jumped the fence post game at Union last year) and it was unsportsmanlike and rightfully penalized. Like Mach says though, it sure did bring a smile to my face.
I already confronted the Union AD about his post season position. He did say that coach Behrman had been consulted  but I do not know if the team was allowed a vote. To long time Union fans it's disturbing to think that one person's 20 year old experience may be the deciding factor in whether Union plays post season.  Union left the NESCAC and their no post season football decades ago. There's certainly no one (maybe one?) that wants to revisit that.

[Oline89]

If the LL and E8 AD's agreed that the second place finisher goes to the NY State Bowl, then there is no way they should let a team "opt" out.  Sorry Cortica II happens.  If the agreement was that 2nd place can ask to opt out, then there has to be some sort of governance to decide: 1.  Legitimate reason to opt out, and 2. Who goes next.  Teams can't decide they simply don't want to play, or they don't want to play a certain team.  The whole thing was a debacle this year.  Great idea, awful application of it.

[Frank Rossi]

Thanks, Bill.  The players deserved a moment like this that caught the attention of EVERY coach we spoke with the last couple days.  Some folks underestimate the power of something like this (and the use it can have in recruiting -- both by the team involved and/or by a team's competition when they make choices like Union's to opt out).  Suddenly, everyone knows the story of Grove City -- from 0-33 to Bowl participants in less than two seasons.  And we couldn't be happier for them.

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[Ice Bear]

As a Union guy who has had to deal with two MASCAC episodes in four days as a media personality, here's my take:

1) Win with f'ing class;
2) Understand that what seems like stupid childish behavior can escalate beyond control;
3) Don't ever drink from the Shoes unless you disinfect the hell out of them;
4) Instead of acting like a jackass, go knock on your AD's door and demand bowl game access since you deserve a postseason berth.  In other words, rise above the "adults" who seem hell-bent on not rewarding success.

Having said that, congrats to the players for putting together a great season.  When I get to sit down with new Union President Harris later this year, I'll tout that fact while trying to resolve other issues that have sat uncorrected for way too long.

dlip had to step off the high horse and many others here should as well. My ****ing goodness, a senior stud LB, playing probably the last game/play of his career/life (unless he hangs out in the CD and plays for the Mallers lol), gets a pick six to put the finishing touches on the oldest rivalry in New York State helping his team defeat the undefeated #14 ranked team in the nation on the road (also their arch rival) whom his team hasn't beaten since he arrived in Shocktown (to an 0-10 season by the way) four years ago...throws the damn ball on the roof...give dlip a break.

Behrman chewed his ass out and the player was also penalized for it. Let's let the kid be a damn kid and have some real world perspective on the moment. dlip lost this perspective and had his ass handed to him for it last year...and rightfully so.

Good for Reilly and good for RPI's men's hockey team celebrating like crazy for their pasting of the ranked Dutchmen the weekend previous. These are kids playing for the love of the sport. Once in a great while, during a moment that may be one of their most exciting, let's not pass too much damn judgement.

[Bartman]

As a Union guy who has had to deal with two MASCAC episodes in four days as a media personality, here's my take:

1) Win with f'ing class;
2) Understand that what seems like stupid childish behavior can escalate beyond control;
3) Don't ever drink from the Shoes unless you disinfect the hell out of them;
4) Instead of acting like a jackass, go knock on your AD's door and demand bowl game access since you deserve a postseason berth.  In other words, rise above the "adults" who seem hell-bent on not rewarding success.

Having said that, congrats to the players for putting together a great season.  When I get to sit down with new Union President Harris later this year, I'll tout that fact while trying to resolve other issues that have sat uncorrected for way too long.

dlip had to step off the high horse and many others here should as well. My ****ing goodness, a senior stud LB, playing probably the last game/play of his career/life (unless he hangs out in the CD and plays for the Mallers lol), gets a pick six to put the finishing touches on the oldest rivalry in New York State helping his team defeat the undefeated #14 ranked team in the nation on the road (also their arch rival) whom his team hasn't beaten since he arrived in Shocktown (to an 0-10 season by the way) four years ago...throws the damn ball on the roof...give dlip a break.

Behrman chewed his ass out and the player was also penalized for it. Let's let the kid be a damn kid and have some real world perspective on the moment. dlip lost this perspective and had his ass handed to him for it last year...and rightfully so.

Good for Reilly and good for RPI's men's hockey team celebrating like crazy for their pasting of the ranked Dutchmen the weekend previous. These are kids playing for the love of the sport. Once in a great while, during a moment that may be one of their most exciting, let's not pass too much damn judgement.

DB, or old dlip,
      I am with you on this one. The football throw by that LB onto the roof said, I friggin played on 0-10 and 3-7 teams my first two years  and now I just ran 79 friggin yards for a TD against  our rival that WAS undefeated and God I feel good...... oops I probably shouldn't have done that. Bad judgement but great emotional moment and probably not meant to disrespect RPI but just an emotional explosion. The reason he played so well was because he played with great emotion that Saturday after  four years of frustration , getting better as a program but not quite making it to the top as RPI goes back to back with title runs. Hell , yeah the instinct was to celebrate , just low on the control meter. It is forgivable in my opinion. Now if Brockport or Mount Union did it as heavy favorites, screw them , I probably would have gone out and punched the arrogant ass. In this case , I would give the LB some room and chalk it up to  judgement flatulence, that should be followed by an apology at handshake time at the end of the game. Frankly, I have had my days of Union "hating" as a rival and seen some bad behavior, but if it had happened at the Boz and we got torched in a game where we didn't show up to finish a possible undefeated season,  I would have looked the other way...maybe said what a ****ing ass, but hey,have at it buddy....thanks for stoking my motivational juices for next year. JMO

[tony/troy]

So the Union/RPI game is on Youtube, and you can see the Union INT at the end of the game where the LB throws the ball over the building.  Kind of classless, but I am also in the Mach camp and enjoy seeing some of that stuff as well.  The West Virginia QB also did this in a game (after WVU had clinched the win) a few weeks ago as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA crack down on this stuff in the future.  I could easily see suspending someone for a half/next game half, but I also wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA call the play back if it is really bad.

The NCAA will not call the play back, similar events happens some year's ago with Northwestern vs. BYU in a walk-off win and can't remember which team had to replay the down and failed to win the game which had a trickled down effect on bowl eligibility and SOS for other teams. I can see the school being penalized financially or in your case a player having to sit out a quarter, I think two quarters is too harsh (same for helmet to helmet call).

I should have said the NCAA might change the rule.  Right now a dead ball personal foul (throwing the ball over a building after a touchdown) is simply a 15 yard penalty.

In this case, enforced on the extra point, making it pretty much useless.

What is going on over there at Union anyway?[/b} You would never see such stuff under an Audino coached team.  (I mean throwing a ball over a building, not beating RPI which we know was rare)

What's going on at Union? It's called winning! You RPI boys have already said you're dismayed that coach Audino is gone. Here at Union while we respect the run Audino had, we're ecstatic about what coach Behrman has brought. Hurts you guys doesn't it? 
As for the pick 6 and heave on the roof. As I've already pointed out...that was LL 1st team LB Jack Reilly just letting out his emotions to cumulate and emphasize and outstanding  career.
        Honors and Awards:
- All-Liberty League First Team (2017, 2018)
- All-Liberty League Honorable Mention (2016)
- D3football.com Team of the Week (9/4/18)
- Liberty League Rookie of the Week (10/12/15)
- CoSIDA Academic All-District First Team (2018)
- Liberty League All-Academic Team (2016, 2017, 2018)
- William A. Pike Award winner (2017-18)
- Harold Moore Sophomore Athletic Prize (2016-17)

The last thing Jack had left was to win back the Shoes. That pick 6 "sealed the deal". Just so you know when Reilly came off the field after the heave he was met by coach Behrman who got in his face and chewed him out for the action....Minutes later he hugged him. Love coach Behrman.
As for the penaltie(s) enforced. 15 yards was marked off on the extra point(Union kicker drilled it anyway) and two additional 15 yarders were accessed on the kickoff for Union players rushing the field in celebration. You RPI guys might not like it but that "dudes chuck on to the roof" is sure to go down in Union football lore. 

Wonder if that kid (or anyone else) has yet to process something that will probably happen some 15 to 25 years from now. When he shows the video of the pick six to one of his kids, he won't have the ball that goes with the video. He also won't have it decades later when the scenario repeats itself with a grandkid.

Sooner or later the kid will wish he could have a do over and ditch the antics. There is little need for anyone else to pile on in the present.

[Jonny Utah]

Thanks, Bill.  The players deserved a moment like this that caught the attention of EVERY coach we spoke with the last couple days.  Some folks underestimate the power of something like this (and the use it can have in recruiting -- both by the team involved and/or by a team's competition when they make choices like Union's to opt out).  Suddenly, everyone knows the story of Grove City -- from 0-33 to Bowl participants in less than two seasons.  And we couldn't be happier for them.

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I think the ECAC's mean different things for different teams.  If I were a Union coach, I would 100% want the season to end like it did last week.  If I were a Union player, unless I was playing somewhere fun like Texas or California, I would pass on an ECAC game as well.  Grove City is a completely different situation IMO.  In terms of recruiting, I'm willing to bet an ECAC game has very little effect on the issue.  Good for Grove City and good for Union for having good endings to their seasons.

[Jonny Utah]

If the LL and E8 AD's agreed that the second place finisher goes to the NY State Bowl, then there is no way they should let a team "opt" out.  Sorry Cortica II happens.  If the agreement was that 2nd place can ask to opt out, then there has to be some sort of governance to decide: 1.  Legitimate reason to opt out, and 2. Who goes next.  Teams can't decide they simply don't want to play, or they don't want to play a certain team.  The whole thing was a debacle this year.  Great idea, awful application of it.

Cortaca 2 can't happen.  Both teams knew their seasons were over for the most part, and knowing that they would probably play two games in a row is really absurd when it comes down to it.

But I agree that there needs to be some sort of rule or governance to decide.  In reality, the idea sounds good, but practically it doesn't work.  Not enough teams in either league with crossover games that would even make this interesting.  Plus, Ithaca would have had to have given up the chance to play in a pretty cool game at Cornell in order to play Cortland again (forget about the added costs an IC/Cortland game would need)

[Jonny Utah]

So the Union/RPI game is on Youtube, and you can see the Union INT at the end of the game where the LB throws the ball over the building.  Kind of classless, but I am also in the Mach camp and enjoy seeing some of that stuff as well.  The West Virginia QB also did this in a game (after WVU had clinched the win) a few weeks ago as well.  I wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA crack down on this stuff in the future.  I could easily see suspending someone for a half/next game half, but I also wouldn't be surprised if you see the NCAA call the play back if it is really bad.

The NCAA will not call the play back, similar events happens some year's ago with Northwestern vs. BYU in a walk-off win and can't remember which team had to replay the down and failed to win the game which had a trickled down effect on bowl eligibility and SOS for other teams. I can see the school being penalized financially or in your case a player having to sit out a quarter, I think two quarters is too harsh (same for helmet to helmet call).

I should have said the NCAA might change the rule.  Right now a dead ball personal foul (throwing the ball over a building after a touchdown) is simply a 15 yard penalty.

In this case, enforced on the extra point, making it pretty much useless.

What is going on over there at Union anyway?[/b} You would never see such stuff under an Audino coached team.  (I mean throwing a ball over a building, not beating RPI which we know was rare)

What's going on at Union? It's called winning! You RPI boys have already said you're dismayed that coach Audino is gone. Here at Union while we respect the run Audino had, we're ecstatic about what coach Behrman has brought. Hurts you guys doesn't it? 
As for the pick 6 and heave on the roof. As I've already pointed out...that was LL 1st team LB Jack Reilly just letting out his emotions to cumulate and emphasize and outstanding  career.
        Honors and Awards:
- All-Liberty League First Team (2017, 2018)
- All-Liberty League Honorable Mention (2016)
- D3football.com Team of the Week (9/4/18)
- Liberty League Rookie of the Week (10/12/15)
- CoSIDA Academic All-District First Team (2018)
- Liberty League All-Academic Team (2016, 2017, 2018)
- William A. Pike Award winner (2017-18)
- Harold Moore Sophomore Athletic Prize (2016-17)

The last thing Jack had left was to win back the Shoes. That pick 6 "sealed the deal". Just so you know when Reilly came off the field after the heave he was met by coach Behrman who got in his face and chewed him out for the action....Minutes later he hugged him. Love coach Behrman.
As for the penaltie(s) enforced. 15 yards was marked off on the extra point(Union kicker drilled it anyway) and two additional 15 yarders were accessed on the kickoff for Union players rushing the field in celebration. You RPI guys might not like it but that "dudes chuck on to the roof" is sure to go down in Union football lore. 

Wonder if that kid (or anyone else) has yet to process something that will probably happen some 15 to 25 years from now. When he shows the video of the pick six to one of his kids, he won't have the ball that goes with the video. He also won't have it decades later when the scenario repeats itself with a grandkid.

Sooner or later the kid will wish he could have a do over and ditch the antics. There is little need for anyone else to pile on in the present.

I don't think anyone is overreacting.  It isn't complicated and Frank R. simplified it into two simple sentences.  Have some class and realize that small things can turn into big things.  If I'm a underclassmen on this RPI roster, I'm fired up about that game next year.  The line just went from Union -3 to Even after that throw on the roof for the 2019 shoes game.

[Machiavelli]

Man, there are some crusty straight edges in here. That football throw move was awesome. If he turned around and chucked it at some RPI dude and smoked him in the nads, different story. Football is an emotional sport. Emotions do come out and should come out. As long as it's not disrespectful. Throwing a football into the abyss isn't disrespectful. It's awesome particularly at the time it was done(unlike the NFL dudes who dance after a sack when you're down 3 TDs).

And to the dude talking about not having the ball in 15 years or whatever...Haven't you read anything from the disgruntled Union clan? No way the Union Administration would've let them keep that ball with such a tight athletics budget. Although, now that i think of it, it was an RPI ball in the first place so we probably woulda just let him have it. We don't skimp on athletic budgets like Union.

[Machiavelli]

2018 Union LB in the year 2050:


'How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them buildings?'

[Jonny Utah]

Man, there are some crusty straight edges in here. That football throw move was awesome. If he turned around and chucked it at some RPI dude and smoked him in the nads, different story. Football is an emotional sport. Emotions do come out and should come out. As long as it's not disrespectful. Throwing a football into the abyss isn't disrespectful. It's awesome particularly at the time it was done(unlike the NFL dudes who dance after a sack when you're down 3 TDs).

And to the dude talking about not having the ball in 15 years or whatever...Haven't you read anything from the disgruntled Union clan? No way the Union Administration would've let them keep that ball with such a tight athletics budget. Although, now that i think of it, it was an RPI ball in the first place so we probably woulda just let him have it. We don't skimp on athletic budgets like Union.

I believe each team gets to use their own balls.  And I heard AD McGonnagle from Union snuck back there Saturday night and got that ball from the roof.  ECAC game?  Do you know how many footballs might get thrown into that frat house if they played WestConn this week?  No thanks, lets save those balls for next year.

[wesleydad]

Man, there are some crusty straight edges in here. That football throw move was awesome. If he turned around and chucked it at some RPI dude and smoked him in the nads, different story. Football is an emotional sport. Emotions do come out and should come out. As long as it's not disrespectful. Throwing a football into the abyss isn't disrespectful. It's awesome particularly at the time it was done(unlike the NFL dudes who dance after a sack when you're down 3 TDs).

And to the dude talking about not having the ball in 15 years or whatever...Haven't you read anything from the disgruntled Union clan? No way the Union Administration would've let them keep that ball with such a tight athletics budget. Although, now that i think of it, it was an RPI ball in the first place so we probably woulda just let him have it. We don't skimp on athletic budgets like Union.

Agree with Mach here.

[Jonny Utah]

So Ithaca loses to Utica in the ECAC game, and probably would have won it if Gladney didn't dance for .5 seconds after catching a pass down to the 2yard line (Nabi would throw a pick 6 two plays later). Gladney I guess dove into a snow bank earlier in the the game, and the dance got him thrown out for his 2nd 15 yarder.  Not the bomber football I like to see.  ****in clown show BS 

Anyway I wonder how the team handles this loss.  I guarantee you Union players are having a better thanksgiving break than the Ithaca ones are.

Nice to see some young bomber do well on offense though #11 frosh Cooney was great, and So.  Vito made some big plays down the stretch.

[Caz Bombers]

hard to imagine they gave much of a sh** about this game, Caz knows he didn't. Again, now Utica thinks it's people Lose-lose.