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Oline89

So now that the weekend has settled in, I am still left in amazement that RPI beat Brockport.  I watched Hobart play both teams, RPI was exactly the team I thought they would be, well coached, tough defense, just enough offense to stay in the game.  Brockport was NOTHING like the team I saw week one.  They played tight, the offense was lackluster, the receivers looked average, the front four played well, but the defensive backfield was average.  What happened Bport?  Injuries?  Worn down by playing E8 and LL opponents?  Are there problems in the locker room we don't know about?  I am pumped that a LL team has moved to the next round, just very surprised.

Jonny Utah

Quote from: Oline89 on November 26, 2018, 01:48:08 PM
So now that the weekend has settled in, I am still left in amazement that RPI beat Brockport.  I watched Hobart play both teams, RPI was exactly the team I thought they would be, well coached, tough defense, just enough offense to stay in the game.  Brockport was NOTHING like the team I saw week one.  They played tight, the offense was lackluster, the receivers looked average, the front four played well, but the defensive backfield was average.  What happened Bport?  Injuries?  Worn down by playing E8 and LL opponents?  Are there problems in the locker room we don't know about?  I am pumped that a LL team has moved to the next round, just very surprised.

Well Brockport had that 1000 yard rusher from last year (Morrison) who only played 2 or 3 games this year (did not play after week 3).  That other RB Samborski also didn't play at the end of the season either.  It sounds like RPI dared Brockport to rush the ball, and they simply couldn't.

Upstate

Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 26, 2018, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: Oline89 on November 26, 2018, 01:48:08 PM
So now that the weekend has settled in, I am still left in amazement that RPI beat Brockport.  I watched Hobart play both teams, RPI was exactly the team I thought they would be, well coached, tough defense, just enough offense to stay in the game.  Brockport was NOTHING like the team I saw week one.  They played tight, the offense was lackluster, the receivers looked average, the front four played well, but the defensive backfield was average.  What happened Bport?  Injuries?  Worn down by playing E8 and LL opponents?  Are there problems in the locker room we don't know about?  I am pumped that a LL team has moved to the next round, just very surprised.

Well Brockport had that 1000 yard rusher from last year (Morrison) who only played 2 or 3 games this year (did not play after week 3).  That other RB Samborski also didn't play at the end of the season either.  It sounds like RPI dared Brockport to rush the ball, and they simply couldn't.

I wouldn't say "couldn't" as Brown had close to 100 yards rushing by halftime.

Brockport simply wouldn't run the ball in the 2nd half...

RPI was playing 3 down lineman just daring Port to run and they simply abandoned the run game...
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Jonny Utah

Quote from: Upstate on November 26, 2018, 10:51:42 PM
Quote from: Jonny Utah on November 26, 2018, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: Oline89 on November 26, 2018, 01:48:08 PM
So now that the weekend has settled in, I am still left in amazement that RPI beat Brockport.  I watched Hobart play both teams, RPI was exactly the team I thought they would be, well coached, tough defense, just enough offense to stay in the game.  Brockport was NOTHING like the team I saw week one.  They played tight, the offense was lackluster, the receivers looked average, the front four played well, but the defensive backfield was average.  What happened Bport?  Injuries?  Worn down by playing E8 and LL opponents?  Are there problems in the locker room we don't know about?  I am pumped that a LL team has moved to the next round, just very surprised.

Well Brockport had that 1000 yard rusher from last year (Morrison) who only played 2 or 3 games this year (did not play after week 3).  That other RB Samborski also didn't play at the end of the season either.  It sounds like RPI dared Brockport to rush the ball, and they simply couldn't.

I wouldn't say "couldn't" as Brown had close to 100 yards rushing by halftime.

Brockport simply wouldn't run the ball in the 2nd half...

RPI was playing 3 down lineman just daring Port to run and they simply abandoned the run game...

I guess I meant it in a "bend but don't break" strategy.

Bombers798891

Quote from: Upstate on November 26, 2018, 10:51:42 PM

I wouldn't say "couldn't" as Brown had close to 100 yards rushing by halftime.

Brockport simply wouldn't run the ball in the 2nd half...

RPI was playing 3 down lineman just daring Port to run and they simply abandoned the run game...

Brockport had 19 passes and 14 rushing attempts in the 2nd half. Several of those passing attempts came on obvious passing downs (4th and 7, 2nd and 20, 3rd and 15, 3rd and 25).

Bombers798891

RPI absolutely reminds me of the 2013 IC team that went to the second round of the playoffs before losing by 8 to Wesley.

They're limited offensively against good teams, but every week they force key turnovers, get big plays from special teams, and win. They have drastically swung three games (all wins) thanks to blocked or returned punts. Those teams are a lot of fun to watch

Bartman

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Brockport was the second ranked offense and the fourth ranked defense in the nation coming into the game. They should have won by at least 3 TDs on paper. However, unlike the the Hobart game where the weather was pefect for the passing game and Joe G ,etal had a perfect game, the weather was cold, rainy and the field was sloppy last Saturday. Germinerio had problems scrambling , throwing and his receivers had problems separating as they slid around the wet field. It took a long time for BPort to believe they could not have their way passing.RPI sat 8 back in coverage with a designated spy on Germinerio and dared BPort to run. They started to give the ball to Brown and he was awesome, even when RPI positioned for the run.  For some reason when the rain stopped, BPort believed they could pass again, and RPI just sat back in coverage and Brown had only a few reps rushing in the second half. The turnover difference and special teams play by RPI was huge. Also, Conor Davies is a money player in pressure situations,  their Oline was well coached and made the most out of the skill talent and experience they had. It was a combination of RPI playing to their potential and Brockport playing their worst game of the year . That said, I don't think Johns Hopkins will intimidate RPI after beating BPort and Saturday in Baltimore will be cold and 90% rain......certainly a chance to win for the Engineers.
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Brown was injured in the 3rd qtr. Definitely impacted BP's play calling from there on out.
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Caz Bombers

Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 27, 2018, 08:46:45 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 26, 2018, 10:51:42 PM

I wouldn't say "couldn't" as Brown had close to 100 yards rushing by halftime.

Brockport simply wouldn't run the ball in the 2nd half...

RPI was playing 3 down lineman just daring Port to run and they simply abandoned the run game...

Brockport had 19 passes and 14 rushing attempts in the 2nd half. Several of those passing attempts came on obvious passing downs (4th and 7, 2nd and 20, 3rd and 15, 3rd and 25).

Based on the original post, I was gonna say, does Pat Shurmur coach Brockport too?

Bartman

Quote from: Caz Bombers on November 27, 2018, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on November 27, 2018, 08:46:45 AM
Quote from: Upstate on November 26, 2018, 10:51:42 PM

I wouldn't say "couldn't" as Brown had close to 100 yards rushing by halftime.

Brockport simply wouldn't run the ball in the 2nd half...

RPI was playing 3 down lineman just daring Port to run and they simply abandoned the run game...

Brockport had 19 passes and 14 rushing attempts in the 2nd half. Several of those passing attempts came on obvious passing downs (4th and 7, 2nd and 20, 3rd and 15, 3rd and 25).

Based on the original post, I was gonna say, does Pat Shurmur coach Brockport too?
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Machiavelli

So i've taken JTRozencraw's advice and i've been busy on my secret private island building out some serious 'algos' for this week's RPI/JHU game. My returns haven't eclipsed 83.4% as of yet(i'm only at 14.787454% so far), but i'm getting there. Please be patient.

Honestly, when RPI lost to Union, I thought JHU would be a possibility for a Round 1 matchup, and I thought 'things could be worse'. I would have given RPI a much better chance to beat JHU than Brockport. Now, having some time to crunch numbers and eat tons of Mom's meatloaf in my Millennial basement lair on my secret private island, i've had a better chance to evaluate JHU and I gotta admit, they are scary. Are they beatable? Sure. Susquehanna did it, and that is a bit of a head scratcher to be honest. They've now beaten 4 playoff teams this season. Very impressive indeed.

Much like the Brockport game, RPI needs to force turnovers, but they need to convert more efficiently into points. RPI's kicker has missed WAY too many field goals this year, including one early on against BPort. That can't happen. You're a kicker, just kick the ball through the uprights. It's like your one job. Just do it. Easy enough.

I thought RPI had a chance against BPort, but they also had the chance to get blown out. I think the same applies this week. Make some key turnovers, play tough RPI football. HIT, HIT, HIT. Rattle the QB. And open up the offense a bit. That will be a recipe for a heck of a game. Be too conservative on offense and miss turnover opportunities, you might be in trouble.

Someone else said RPI should not be intimidated by JHU... I believe that to be spot on true. There's nothing to lose at this point, so let it fly. I'm looking forward to it. If my personal plane wasn't getting the upholstery redone in golden fleece, i'd be there, but i've arranged a personal 1 to 1 dedicated stream to my offshore viewing room.

Let's go Red!


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Ice Bear

Quote from: Machiavelli on November 28, 2018, 10:15:10 AM
So i've taken JTRozencraw's advice and i've been busy on my secret private island building out some serious 'algos' for this week's RPI/JHU game. My returns haven't eclipsed 83.4% as of yet(i'm only at 14.787454% so far), but i'm getting there. Please be patient.

Honestly, when RPI lost to Union, I thought JHU would be a possibility for a Round 1 matchup, and I thought 'things could be worse'. I would have given RPI a much better chance to beat JHU than Brockport. Now, having some time to crunch numbers and eat tons of Mom's meatloaf in my Millennial basement lair on my secret private island, i've had a better chance to evaluate JHU and I gotta admit, they are scary. Are they beatable? Sure. Susquehanna did it, and that is a bit of a head scratcher to be honest. They've now beaten 4 playoff teams this season. Very impressive indeed.

Much like the Brockport game, RPI needs to force turnovers, but they need to convert more efficiently into points. RPI's kicker has missed WAY too many field goals this year, including one early on against BPort. That can't happen. You're a kicker, just kick the ball through the uprights. It's like your one job. Just do it. Easy enough.

I thought RPI had a chance against BPort, but they also had the chance to get blown out. I think the same applies this week. Make some key turnovers, play tough RPI football. HIT, HIT, HIT. Rattle the QB. And open up the offense a bit. That will be a recipe for a heck of a game. Be too conservative on offense and miss turnover opportunities, you might be in trouble.

Someone else said RPI should not be intimidated by JHU... I believe that to be spot on true. There's nothing to lose at this point, so let it fly. I'm looking forward to it. If my personal plane wasn't getting the upholstery redone in golden fleece, i'd be there, but i've arranged a personal 1 to 1 dedicated stream to my offshore viewing room.

Let's go Red!


Henry Rosenbagga - Crushing Algos and Millennials since 1969.

RPI's playing with house $ and they defeated the number #1 team in the region last week on the road. To dlip they certainly won't be intimidated and have absolutely nothing to lose. The pressure, IDHO, is completely on JHU and their high octane offense.

The only difference about this weeks game compared to last weeks is that JHU comes in kicking ass and taking names as of late. Brockport came into last week after a very unimpressive win over Framingham and a ton of doubters regarding just how good they actually were.

Let's ****ing go RPI!!! (dlip continues to punch himself in the face each time he types those words)
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wesleydad

Quote from: Dutch Boy on November 28, 2018, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: Machiavelli on November 28, 2018, 10:15:10 AM
So i've taken JTRozencraw's advice and i've been busy on my secret private island building out some serious 'algos' for this week's RPI/JHU game. My returns haven't eclipsed 83.4% as of yet(i'm only at 14.787454% so far), but i'm getting there. Please be patient.

Honestly, when RPI lost to Union, I thought JHU would be a possibility for a Round 1 matchup, and I thought 'things could be worse'. I would have given RPI a much better chance to beat JHU than Brockport. Now, having some time to crunch numbers and eat tons of Mom's meatloaf in my Millennial basement lair on my secret private island, i've had a better chance to evaluate JHU and I gotta admit, they are scary. Are they beatable? Sure. Susquehanna did it, and that is a bit of a head scratcher to be honest. They've now beaten 4 playoff teams this season. Very impressive indeed.

Much like the Brockport game, RPI needs to force turnovers, but they need to convert more efficiently into points. RPI's kicker has missed WAY too many field goals this year, including one early on against BPort. That can't happen. You're a kicker, just kick the ball through the uprights. It's like your one job. Just do it. Easy enough.

I thought RPI had a chance against BPort, but they also had the chance to get blown out. I think the same applies this week. Make some key turnovers, play tough RPI football. HIT, HIT, HIT. Rattle the QB. And open up the offense a bit. That will be a recipe for a heck of a game. Be too conservative on offense and miss turnover opportunities, you might be in trouble.

Someone else said RPI should not be intimidated by JHU... I believe that to be spot on true. There's nothing to lose at this point, so let it fly. I'm looking forward to it. If my personal plane wasn't getting the upholstery redone in golden fleece, i'd be there, but i've arranged a personal 1 to 1 dedicated stream to my offshore viewing room.

Let's go Red!


Henry Rosenbagga - Crushing Algos and Millennials since 1969.

RPI's playing with house $ and they defeated the number #1 team in the region last week on the road. To dlip they certainly won't be intimidated and have absolutely nothing to lose. The pressure, IDHO, is completely on JHU and their high octane offense.

The only difference about this weeks game compared to last weeks is that JHU comes in kicking ass and taking names as of late. Brockport came into last week after a very unimpressive win over Framingham and a ton of doubters regarding just how good they actually were.

Let's ****ing go RPI!!! (dlip continues to punch himself in the face each time he types those words)

This game is very interesting to me.  Hopkins has been near the top of the tier 2 teams for years, Wesley has had to scramble to beat them on a few occasions.  RPI just beat the top team in the East, some of us felt the top team by plenty, but now looks like they may have been overrated by us and the national voters.  If Hopkins beats RPI easily it will confirm the weakness of the east at a national level, but if they play close or pull out the win, then it will validate what some of us have been saying about the east, that there are a good number of tier 2 teams, just no tier 1 team.  RPI will have to score any time they get a chance because Hopkins if going to score.  I expect Hopkins to win in a similar fashion as Union did, but after last week who knows.

Machiavelli

Quote from: wesleydad on November 28, 2018, 11:36:45 AM
Quote from: Dutch Boy on November 28, 2018, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: Machiavelli on November 28, 2018, 10:15:10 AM
So i've taken JTRozencraw's advice and i've been busy on my secret private island building out some serious 'algos' for this week's RPI/JHU game. My returns haven't eclipsed 83.4% as of yet(i'm only at 14.787454% so far), but i'm getting there. Please be patient.

Honestly, when RPI lost to Union, I thought JHU would be a possibility for a Round 1 matchup, and I thought 'things could be worse'. I would have given RPI a much better chance to beat JHU than Brockport. Now, having some time to crunch numbers and eat tons of Mom's meatloaf in my Millennial basement lair on my secret private island, i've had a better chance to evaluate JHU and I gotta admit, they are scary. Are they beatable? Sure. Susquehanna did it, and that is a bit of a head scratcher to be honest. They've now beaten 4 playoff teams this season. Very impressive indeed.

Much like the Brockport game, RPI needs to force turnovers, but they need to convert more efficiently into points. RPI's kicker has missed WAY too many field goals this year, including one early on against BPort. That can't happen. You're a kicker, just kick the ball through the uprights. It's like your one job. Just do it. Easy enough.

I thought RPI had a chance against BPort, but they also had the chance to get blown out. I think the same applies this week. Make some key turnovers, play tough RPI football. HIT, HIT, HIT. Rattle the QB. And open up the offense a bit. That will be a recipe for a heck of a game. Be too conservative on offense and miss turnover opportunities, you might be in trouble.

Someone else said RPI should not be intimidated by JHU... I believe that to be spot on true. There's nothing to lose at this point, so let it fly. I'm looking forward to it. If my personal plane wasn't getting the upholstery redone in golden fleece, i'd be there, but i've arranged a personal 1 to 1 dedicated stream to my offshore viewing room.

Let's go Red!


Henry Rosenbagga - Crushing Algos and Millennials since 1969.

RPI's playing with house $ and they defeated the number #1 team in the region last week on the road. To dlip they certainly won't be intimidated and have absolutely nothing to lose. The pressure, IDHO, is completely on JHU and their high octane offense.

The only difference about this weeks game compared to last weeks is that JHU comes in kicking ass and taking names as of late. Brockport came into last week after a very unimpressive win over Framingham and a ton of doubters regarding just how good they actually were.

Let's ****ing go RPI!!! (dlip continues to punch himself in the face each time he types those words)

This game is very interesting to me.  Hopkins has been near the top of the tier 2 teams for years, Wesley has had to scramble to beat them on a few occasions.  RPI just beat the top team in the East, some of us felt the top team by plenty, but now looks like they may have been overrated by us and the national voters.  If Hopkins beats RPI easily it will confirm the weakness of the east at a national level, but if they play close or pull out the win, then it will validate what some of us have been saying about the east, that there are a good number of tier 2 teams, just no tier 1 team.  RPI will have to score any time they get a chance because Hopkins if going to score.  I expect Hopkins to win in a similar fashion as Union did, but after last week who knows.

Not that this matters at all, but don't let the score of that Union game fool you. Union scored 14 points after RPI went for a 4th down from their own 6 with 6 minutes to go(and got denied) and then a desperation time INT return for 6(queue the ball chucking). It was a close game to that point, even with RPI's abysmal play calling. Add the RPI/Union rivalry to the mix and it's a coin flip game. Union DID control the game, but it was anyone's game until 6 minutes to go. If JHU wins with a similar score, i'd guess it's a much different game where JHU scores early and often and then grinds it out.

If RPI can sustain long drives and finish with scores, keeping JHU Offense off the field, they have a very good chance for another upset. It's the same game plan as historically beating the Patriots. Keep the opposing offense off the field, control the ToP, score with every opportunity, and force turnovers. It's pretty simple. Science really.

My 'algo' yields just jumped to 42.435768%.


@d3jason

I don't see RPI as being intimidated. Those guys compete and I think comes from the HC. He was testy after last year's loss to Wesley. Pretty sure, that they are not just satisfied with being there as a smart school. They come to win no matter who they are playing.