FB: Liberty League

[pumkinattack]

I thought each season is supposed to stand on its own.  You've preached that for years.

[Pat Coleman]

Let's be honest about this -- history has to matter for something, right? Otherwise, UMHB with a standalone with over Albright or Mount Union with a standalone with over Rose-Hulman doesn't say very much on its own.

[Oline89]

Let's be honest about this -- history has to matter for something, right? Otherwise, UMHB with a standalone with over Albright or Mount Union with a standalone with over Rose-Hulman doesn't say very much on its own.

I hear you, Pat.  However, if UMHB lost to Albright and beats Belhaven by 7 in the fourth quarter, do even they deserve to be ranked  21?  Probably, yes.  JHU, not so much

[Pat Coleman]

Let's be honest about this -- history has to matter for something, right? Otherwise, UMHB with a standalone with over Albright or Mount Union with a standalone with over Rose-Hulman doesn't say very much on its own.

I hear you, Pat.  However, if UMHB lost to Albright and beats Belhaven by 7 in the fourth quarter, do even they deserve to be ranked  21?  Probably, yes.  JHU, not so much

Well, that's a matter of opinion that clearly not everyone shares.

[pumkinattack]

Let's be honest about this -- history has to matter for something, right? Otherwise, UMHB with a standalone with over Albright or Mount Union with a standalone with over Rose-Hulman doesn't say very much on its own.

Did I say something dishonest and how long should reputation matter?  After two full weeks? 

I could mill around and find tons of discussions about how team x lost or returns a lot.

Let's be real real honest, the rankings the first few weeks are done by many official voters in just as superficial and lazy way as the AFCA.  No way RPI should've been 19th going into this season if people looked at returning personnel and did a deep analysis.

[Pat Coleman]

Johns Hopkins is definitely the model that suggests that other high-academic institutions can indeed compete for the national title.

Let's be real real honest, the rankings the first few weeks are done by many official voters in just as superficial and lazy way as the AFCA.  No way RPI should've been 19th going into this season if people looked at returning personnel and did a deep analysis.

Well, our panel is one-third AFCA members. And it's not like our voters did nothing with RPI. They finished last season at No. 11. Seriously, though, great discussion of this on today's podcast along the lines of a very similar question. Twitter question comes somewhere in the lat 15 minutes: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2019/09/15/atn-podcast-242-the-one-with-guest-host-jim-catanzaro/

[UfanBill]

Johns Hopkins is definitely the model that suggests that other high-academic institutions can indeed compete for the national title.

Let's be real real honest, the rankings the first few weeks are done by many official voters in just as superficial and lazy way as the AFCA.  No way RPI should've been 19th going into this season if people looked at returning personnel and did a deep analysis.

Well, our panel is one-third AFCA members. And it's not like our voters did nothing with RPI. They finished last season at No. 11. Seriously, though, great discussion of this on today's podcast along the lines of a very similar question. Twitter question comes somewhere in the lat 15 minutes: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2019/09/15/atn-podcast-242-the-one-with-guest-host-jim-catanzaro/

Pat, Can you clarify. Just who are the "panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country" that vote weekly for the Top 25 poll? I asked you the same question last year and your response to me was "Well, actually I see that nobody has asked the question as to who votes, so it would seem a little odd for me to answer a question that's not being asked. People get annoyed by that." Well now, again, on behalf of others that I believe would like to know. I'm asking. If my question annoys you, I apologize.

[tony/troy]

Almost beyond belief I had a post from yesterday removed presumably by the moderators of this site. Something about it must have been found to be insulting, vulgar, obscene, inciting, combative or disrespectful. So I will try again and see if a moderator can please tell me exactly what in the following post is any of those things.

Another poster stated that RPI never played either Mt. Ida or Becker.

My insulting, vulgar, obscene, inciting, combative or disrespectful reply was that RPI did indeed play Becker in 2006. The score was 35-0 after a quarter (the final was 56-6) and there have been no further contests since.

Hopefully, this post survives the intense scrutiny present on this site. Is this for real???

[Pat Coleman]

Nope. It's not real. Your post is still on the board, even. Just keep scrolling back until you get to last night's posts.

It might be hard to pick out because your didn't properly format your post. You put your post inside the other quotes.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat, Can you clarify. Just who are the "panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country" that vote weekly for the Top 25 poll? I asked you the same question last year and your response to me was "Well, actually I see that nobody has asked the question as to who votes, so it would seem a little odd for me to answer a question that's not being asked. People get annoyed by that." Well now, again, on behalf of others that I believe would like to know. I'm asking. If my question annoys you, I apologize.

I couldn't find the context for that post but it sounds like something I could have said. People do get pissy when I jump in and answer something that they haven't asked me about.

The answer isn't going to be any different than it has been for 17 years on this poll and 21 years on D3hoops, though. Copying straight out of our FAQ:

There are 25 voters on each panel -- six from each of the NCAA's four regions with myself as the 25th voter. The voters are coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members. We do not reveal individual voters' names because we do not want them subject to lobbying and backlash from coaches and fans of teams. This is something we have experienced in voting for other polls.

[Pat Coleman]

From a theoretical standpoint, though, my goal is to have voters who have been in D3 for a number of years, and who have worked in more than one region whenever possible. And I have mentioned this a couple times on the podcast, but my model for this was the Division I college baseball coaches poll, which I observed from the admin end when I worked at USA Today. Very similar in that there was nationwide voting but not a great opportunity to watch teams play. (This was 20 years ago, remember.) Balance the voting panel nationally in order to flatten out regional biases, and make sure to give the voters as much info as possible both in the preseason and regular season.

[tony/troy]

Nope. It's not real. Your post is still on the board, even. Just keep scrolling back until you get to last night's posts.

It might be hard to pick out because your didn't properly format your post. You put your post inside the other quotes.

Oops!!! My Bad. It is still there. Did not read close enough. However, was diverted by the word remove preceded by the red X at the top right of the post.

[UfanBill]

toni/troy...Thanks for your research to verify my statement that RPI had also scheduled some early season cupcakes in the not so distant past. I said Mt. Ida and Becker. In fact that sarcastjc, pomous asshole Mach was half right. RPI never played Mt. Ida. It was Castleton instead. The point is he was critical of Union's scheduling of patsy, Anna Maria. He should check the Engineers week 4 opponent. Sure enough the very same Anna Maria Amcats. It seems the RPI AD did indeed listen to you Mach. 

[Machiavelli]

toni/troy...Thanks for your research to verify my statement that RPI had also scheduled some early season cupcakes in the not so distant past. I said Mt. Ida and Becker. In fact that sarcastjc, pomous asshole Mach was half right. RPI never played Mt. Ida. It was Castleton instead. The point is he was critical of Union's scheduling of patsy, Anna Maria. He should check the Engineers week 4 opponent. Sure enough the very same Anna Maria Amcats. It seems the RPI AD did indeed listen to you Mach. 

Hey Bill, turn down your police scanner and put your dentures in, I can't hear a word you're saying.

[pumkinattack]

This isn't nearly as much fun as when Gro, reg, Lee, etc we're running roughshod over FR, U89, etc. 

But RPI did have RedSwarm...so I guess it balances out..

Let me help everyone one understand:  Union and RPI fans fighting is like a battle between Sizzler and Ponderosa.  Why bother when you've got a Peter Lugers steak over in Geneva?