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[Knightstalker]

The LLPP needs to light the drinking lamp early this week in honor of Ed McMahon .

Listen I have got literally two half days left of school for the year and the kids are out.
My ****ing Lamp is set on permenent right now!

Clap on, Clap off, Lamp is lit!

where u teaching? pbr kids have been down at the shore for a week already...other kids have been out for 2+ weeks...u need to get on your union and school boards rear ends to end your year earlier

4th Grade in SHOCKTOWN USA!

Kids in Jersey City don't get out until tomorrow.  Inner city teachers get too many days off during the school year for professional development workshops, at least in JC they do.  Why can't teachers have their workshops during the summer when kids are not in school?

[PBR...]

The LLPP needs to light the drinking lamp early this week in honor of Ed McMahon .

Listen I have got literally two half days left of school for the year and the kids are out.
My ****ing Lamp is set on permenent right now!

Clap on, Clap off, Lamp is lit!

where u teaching? pbr kids have been down at the shore for a week already...other kids have been out for 2+ weeks...u need to get on your union and school boards rear ends to end your year earlier

4th Grade in SHOCKTOWN USA!

Kids in Jersey City don't get out until tomorrow.  Inner city teachers get too many days off during the school year for professional development workshops, at least in JC they do.  Why can't teachers have their workshops during the summer when kids are not in school?

their union would NEVER allow that...

[dlippiel]

The LLPP needs to light the drinking lamp early this week in honor of Ed McMahon .

Listen I have got literally two half days left of school for the year and the kids are out.
My ****ing Lamp is set on permenent right now!

Clap on, Clap off, Lamp is lit!

where u teaching? pbr kids have been down at the shore for a week already...other kids have been out for 2+ weeks...u need to get on your union and school boards rear ends to end your year earlier

4th Grade in SHOCKTOWN USA!

Kids in Jersey City don't get out until tomorrow.  Inner city teachers get too many days off during the school year for professional development workshops, at least in JC they do.  Why can't teachers have their workshops during the summer when kids are not in school?

their union would NEVER allow that...

All right all right let's not get on an anti-teacher rant here. My teacher's union sucks and I agree with maybe one thing out of a hundred they do on an annual basis. By the way as a teacher in an urban area I do 30 hours a year of professional development after school hours plus at least 25-30 during the summer. Most teachers I know also work during the summer and/or do as much professional development as possible. They do it all year round. I love when people bitch about teachers. When I was in college I was so idealistic and used to feel teachers got WAY too much time off. That is until I taught students who have major anger issues and deal with social problems that I couldn't handle at 32 years old. Hence my thoughts have changed and believe me, teachers need time off. Of course this is just my opinion. I always feel that if one is jealous about teachers schedules and job stability  and/or bitch about it then they should have been a teacher themselves. You can take pot shots at any profession but at least in ours we are helping to shape the future of our country and help kids that get absolutely no help anywhere else in their lives.

[Knightstalker]

The LLPP needs to light the drinking lamp early this week in honor of Ed McMahon .

Listen I have got literally two half days left of school for the year and the kids are out.
My ****ing Lamp is set on permenent right now!

Clap on, Clap off, Lamp is lit!

where u teaching? pbr kids have been down at the shore for a week already...other kids have been out for 2+ weeks...u need to get on your union and school boards rear ends to end your year earlier

4th Grade in SHOCKTOWN USA!

Kids in Jersey City don't get out until tomorrow.  Inner city teachers get too many days off during the school year for professional development workshops, at least in JC they do.  Why can't teachers have their workshops during the summer when kids are not in school?

their union would NEVER allow that...

All right all right let's not get on an anti-teacher rant here. My teacher's union sucks and I agree with maybe one thing out of a hundred they do on an annual basis. By the way as a teacher in an urban area I do 30 hours a year of professional development after school hours plus at least 25-30 during the summer. Most teachers I know also work during the summer and/or do as much professional development as possible. They do it all year round. I love when people bitch about teachers. When I was in college I was so idealistic and used to feel teachers got WAY too much time off. That is until I taught students who have major anger issues and deal with social problems that I couldn't handle at 32 years old. Hence my thoughts have changed and believe me, teachers need time off. Of course this is just my opinion. I always feel that if one is jealous about teachers schedules and job stability  and/or bitch about it then they should have been a teacher themselves. You can take pot shots at any profession but at least in ours we are helping to shape the future of our country and help kids that get absolutely no help anywhere else in their lives.

MKS was a teacher in the Jersey City public schools, all their required professional workshops are during the school year, none during the summer.  Only the first year teachers are required to attend orientation before the school year starts.  Some would attend other workshops or take classes or work on advanced degrees, but many do nothing, especially after gaining tenure.  I do not know if this is typical, but it is how Jersey City operates.  The state just started letting them run some things within the board on their own recently.

KS was also good friend with the daughter of and the head of the Professional Studies department while in college.  The head of the Dept used to give a survey at the beginning of each school year to the Fresh, Soph, Junior and Senior education majors, one question on each survey was "Why do you want to be a teacher?"  This was an anonymous survey and the most popular answer for each level was because they had summers off.  Approx 40% always answere this way.

[dlippiel]

The LLPP needs to light the drinking lamp early this week in honor of Ed McMahon .

Listen I have got literally two half days left of school for the year and the kids are out.
My ****ing Lamp is set on permenent right now!

Clap on, Clap off, Lamp is lit!

where u teaching? pbr kids have been down at the shore for a week already...other kids have been out for 2+ weeks...u need to get on your union and school boards rear ends to end your year earlier

4th Grade in SHOCKTOWN USA!

Kids in Jersey City don't get out until tomorrow.  Inner city teachers get too many days off during the school year for professional development workshops, at least in JC they do.  Why can't teachers have their workshops during the summer when kids are not in school?

their union would NEVER allow that...

All right all right let's not get on an anti-teacher rant here. My teacher's union sucks and I agree with maybe one thing out of a hundred they do on an annual basis. By the way as a teacher in an urban area I do 30 hours a year of professional development after school hours plus at least 25-30 during the summer. Most teachers I know also work during the summer and/or do as much professional development as possible. They do it all year round. I love when people bitch about teachers. When I was in college I was so idealistic and used to feel teachers got WAY too much time off. That is until I taught students who have major anger issues and deal with social problems that I couldn't handle at 32 years old. Hence my thoughts have changed and believe me, teachers need time off. Of course this is just my opinion. I always feel that if one is jealous about teachers schedules and job stability  and/or bitch about it then they should have been a teacher themselves. You can take pot shots at any profession but at least in ours we are helping to shape the future of our country and help kids that get absolutely no help anywhere else in their lives.

MKS was a teacher in the Jersey City public schools, all their required professional workshops are during the school year, none during the summer.  Only the first year teachers are required to attend orientation before the school year starts.  Some would attend other workshops or take classes or work on advanced degrees, but many do nothing, especially after gaining tenure.  I do not know if this is typical, but it is how Jersey City operates.  The state just started letting them run some things within the board on their own recently.

KS was also good friend with the daughter of and the head of the Professional Studies department while in college.  The head of the Dept used to give a survey at the beginning of each school year to the Fresh, Soph, Junior and Senior education majors, one question on each survey was "Why do you want to be a teacher?"  This was an anonymous survey and the most popular answer for each level was because they had summers off.  Approx 40% always answere this way.

dlippile hears ya knightstalker so it seems to differ depending on the area/district/state one teaches in. dlippiel can tell you one thing, the 40% who answered that question with a response of "summers off" are ****ing idiots and should be parking cars at a country club for a living. In dlippiel's experience he has yet to meet a teacher who would say such a thing and even think it. Yes summers are a benefit but should have nothing to do with the reason and/or motivation one has to teach our youth. dlippiel ****s around about a lot of things but not teaching and ones passion for it. dlippiel still feels teachers are underappreciated and **** on by most for reasons of ignorance and occasionally jealousy. Teachers do have one of the most stable jobs with fantastic benefits around period. If you ask dlippiel he would say he makes more than enough $ for what he does and feels appreciated by many who are close to him. Yet dlippiel also feels that in the private sector there is a TON more money to be made and hence the year long work pattern. dlippiel would prefer school be year round and the only thing he would ask for is air conditioning if that vwas the case.

[Ralph Turner]

While LLPP's are talking about teachers,  this LLPP reader needs the expertise of the LLPP.

Here is an article about a teacher in North Rhine-Westphalia.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.0b6e2219f5b1d4749a21469c683ec4df.2e1&show_article=1

How does one pronounce her last name?

Astrid Czubayko-Reiss     

What's up?  Did she marry a wookie?

[labart96]

The Rev is in San Diego for the night.

What a great town.  Is there a D-III school here?  If not, there should be, and I'd like it to be on Hobart's schedule.

BTW, Dolphin Motel on Garrison St. in Point Loma is the best deal in town.

What's the deal Rev?  What's got you back in the USA?

[AUPepBand]

Pep is wondering what changes, if any, are being made at any NYS d3 stadiums in preparation for the 2009 season? Kaz00 will no doubt be pleased that absolutely nothing has (or will) be done to replace/renovate/upgrade/clean the Manly Merrill Men's Room Urinal Trough. And while nothing really changes within the Merrill Field Complex, the new 520-seat proscenium theater that comprises "Phase II" of the Miller Performing Arts Center is taking shape just behind (above) the visitors bleachers.

What once was a wooded hillside backdrop to the football field has now become a performing arts complex hovering, so precariously perched, over the (outdated) astroturf-12 gridiron. Pep wonders:
--Will RPI be in its amazing new stadium?
--Will St. John Fisher upgrade its visitors' seating before arrival of the defending national d3 champs?
--Will the Baron von Steuben's new carpet produce more wins at Hamilton College for Coach Steve von Stetson?
--Are there other changes anywhere that have fallen victim to Pep's memory lapses?

Pep needs to know.

['gro]

Yes Pep, the Engineers will open the 2nd best* new football venue in the country against the mighty gulls of Endicott. 4 out of 5 RPI/EC games have been monkey stomps in favor of the Troy nerds. The other game was a 20 point win.

Now that we have this nice new football playground, can we not play a 10 game sched and guaruntee 5 home games a year??

*The new cowboys stadium barely takes 1st.

[PBR...]

The LLPP needs to light the drinking lamp early this week in honor of Ed McMahon .

Listen I have got literally two half days left of school for the year and the kids are out.
My ****ing Lamp is set on permenent right now!

Clap on, Clap off, Lamp is lit!

where u teaching? pbr kids have been down at the shore for a week already...other kids have been out for 2+ weeks...u need to get on your union and school boards rear ends to end your year earlier

4th Grade in SHOCKTOWN USA!

Kids in Jersey City don't get out until tomorrow.  Inner city teachers get too many days off during the school year for professional development workshops, at least in JC they do.  Why can't teachers have their workshops during the summer when kids are not in school?

their union would NEVER allow that...

All right all right let's not get on an anti-teacher rant here. My teacher's union sucks and I agree with maybe one thing out of a hundred they do on an annual basis. By the way as a teacher in an urban area I do 30 hours a year of professional development after school hours plus at least 25-30 during the summer. Most teachers I know also work during the summer and/or do as much professional development as possible. They do it all year round. I love when people bitch about teachers. When I was in college I was so idealistic and used to feel teachers got WAY too much time off. That is until I taught students who have major anger issues and deal with social problems that I couldn't handle at 32 years old. Hence my thoughts have changed and believe me, teachers need time off. Of course this is just my opinion. I always feel that if one is jealous about teachers schedules and job stability  and/or bitch about it then they should have been a teacher themselves. You can take pot shots at any profession but at least in ours we are helping to shape the future of our country and help kids that get absolutely no help anywhere else in their lives.

just havin' some fun wid ya....pbr has many family members who are teachers and pbr usually takes a nice jab at their "cushy" jobs having summers off and pensions, working 9-3 everyday etc... just to get under their skin and tweek them

[Regulator]

If teaching was such an easy job, wouldn't it be in higher demand?  I don't mind that they make what they make or get the time off they do.  The only thing that bothers me is the accountability....

If a teacher isn't adding value to a classroom, then get rid of them.  There should be 2 things done to rank teachers.  A baseline taken at the beginning of the year and a test at the end of the year. (I believe the year end test is already done in NY)  Administrators should have enough baseline data from around the state to fairly judge every teacher in the "system".  Of course, you would need to take into account demographics (inner-city, grants, budget), but at the end of the day, at least you will know who you want on your liferaft.

This of course roll up as well.  If, as an administrator, your school is falling well behind the curve versus the benchmark, then you need to go.....

Run a school like a business if you want to improve education.....

[Knightstalker]

If teaching was such an easy job, wouldn't it be in higher demand?  I don't mind that they make what they make or get the time off they do.  The only thing that bothers me is the accountability....

If a teacher isn't adding value to a classroom, then get rid of them.  There should be 2 things done to rank teachers.  A baseline taken at the beginning of the year and a test at the end of the year. (I believe the year end test is already done in NY)  Administrators should have enough baseline data from around the state to fairly judge every teacher in the "system".  Of course, you would need to take into account demographics (inner-city, grants, budget), but at the end of the day, at least you will know who you want on your liferaft.

This of course roll up as well.  If, as an administrator, your school is falling well behind the curve versus the benchmark, then you need to go.....

Run a school like a business if you want to improve education.....

Again the union will NEVER allow that to happen.  You want test scores to improve and education to improve, start including Art, Music and Phys Ed into the curriculum full time like it used to be.  This gives the students a break from the books and their desks and allows their minds to refresh themselves.  Instead of giving squirmy kids drugs, make them run a couple of laps or windsprints like they did when KS was in elementary school in the late 60's and early 70's.

[Regulator]

I disagree.  If you want test scores to improve, then it should be managed locally....if it's run like a business, the administrator will be managing his team to hit the mark.  If there is a team member that isn't pulling their weight, then actions should be taken.

Standard business, it's not science.

Unions?  Have we not learned anything from the plot of land formerly known as detroit?

[dlippiel]

If teaching was such an easy job, wouldn't it be in higher demand?  I don't mind that they make what they make or get the time off they do.  The only thing that bothers me is the accountability....

If a teacher isn't adding value to a classroom, then get rid of them.  There should be 2 things done to rank teachers.  A baseline taken at the beginning of the year and a test at the end of the year. (I believe the year end test is already done in NY)  Administrators should have enough baseline data from around the state to fairly judge every teacher in the "system".  Of course, you would need to take into account demographics (inner-city, grants, budget), but at the end of the day, at least you will know who you want on your liferaft.

This of course roll up as well.  If, as an administrator, your school is falling well behind the curve versus the benchmark, then you need to go.....

Run a school like a business if you want to improve education.....

Exactly becasue our buisness world is in such great shape and businesses lately have been so successful. Please...

[PBR...]

If teaching was such an easy job, wouldn't it be in higher demand?  I don't mind that they make what they make or get the time off they do.  The only thing that bothers me is the accountability....

If a teacher isn't adding value to a classroom, then get rid of them.  There should be 2 things done to rank teachers.  A baseline taken at the beginning of the year and a test at the end of the year. (I believe the year end test is already done in NY)  Administrators should have enough baseline data from around the state to fairly judge every teacher in the "system".  Of course, you would need to take into account demographics (inner-city, grants, budget), but at the end of the day, at least you will know who you want on your liferaft.

This of course roll up as well.  If, as an administrator, your school is falling well behind the curve versus the benchmark, then you need to go.....

Run a school like a business if you want to improve education.....

hmmm...there is a mayor in nyc who did just this now whats his name again? believe pbr several times pbr has contemplated going for teaching... in pbr's area there is a huge need for male teachers, some districts are handing out 5K cash bonuses for male teachers. pbr's family members are making over 100K as teachers when you factor in their pensions(what is it 2/3 of the avg. of last 3 years of salary?)  that is very nice coin in retirement w/ their health bene's as well....only problem now is they are laying off teachers w/ the budget crunch...