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[union89]

Another note on the Marotti/TA/Angiletta era of Union Football and their only winning 1 NCAA Game......

In Unions heyday, when they were truly a national power, they fielded GREAT defenses. The D when those guys were in school was not good at all. I mean in 2005 they scored 24 points against Rowan, more than Mount Union scored in the semifinals. With the Union Defenses of the 80's and 90's they would have won by 2+ TD's putting up that many points. They give up 28 to a team with a QB who looked like a JV High School QB. Kid was garbage. Granted there were turnovers involved, but you cant expect to win many playoff games giving up 28 points. Then the next year against SJF, it took Dino a little too long to realize that nobody was going to run the ball on SJF; until the Final 4 anyway. Once he opened it up Union was able to move the ball well and score a few times to make it not completely embarrassing. Problem was, once Dino figured it out (and Im not blaming him, I mean how do you not go into a game with a plan of TA getting his touches!), SJF had like 21-28 points on the board. The D I think had 1 stop the whole 1st half. PATHETIC!

Also, Union has been to 2 Staggs. In 83 I think you had to win 1 game to be in the semis. They won 2 and made the Stagg. In 89 I think they had to win 3 to get to the Finals. They did. Great job. Those are the 2 best teams ever at Union. Other than those 2 teams, the NCAA wins have been few and far between. Though a Union fan, I am forced to admit that the greatness is a little exaggerated by its Alums and Supporters. 2005 was the 3rd best season in Unions history, automatically behind 83 and 89. But they lost 1 game. So did both of those teams I believe. 1 of them may have even lost 2.

Just food for thought.

Clearly Union Football does not get the administrative support that it once enjoyed.

No administrative support, yet you claim that these 4 guys were among the best in the programs history. 

This argument of flexibility is very old and overused at Union.

[Ralph Turner]

FYI

Patriot League discusses football scholarships

[dlippiel]

Another note on the Marotti/TA/Angiletta era of Union Football and their only winning 1 NCAA Game......

In Unions heyday, when they were truly a national power, they fielded GREAT defenses. The D when those guys were in school was not good at all. I mean in 2005 they scored 24 points against Rowan, more than Mount Union scored in the semifinals. With the Union Defenses of the 80's and 90's they would have won by 2+ TD's putting up that many points. They give up 28 to a team with a QB who looked like a JV High School QB. Kid was garbage. Granted there were turnovers involved, but you cant expect to win many playoff games giving up 28 points. Then the next year against SJF, it took Dino a little too long to realize that nobody was going to run the ball on SJF; until the Final 4 anyway. Once he opened it up Union was able to move the ball well and score a few times to make it not completely embarrassing. Problem was, once Dino figured it out (and Im not blaming him, I mean how do you not go into a game with a plan of TA getting his touches!), SJF had like 21-28 points on the board. The D I think had 1 stop the whole 1st half. PATHETIC!

Also, Union has been to 2 Staggs. In 83 I think you had to win 1 game to be in the semis. They won 2 and made the Stagg. In 89 I think they had to win 3 to get to the Finals. They did. Great job. Those are the 2 best teams ever at Union. Other than those 2 teams, the NCAA wins have been few and far between. Though a Union fan, I am forced to admit that the greatness is a little exaggerated by its Alums and Supporters. 2005 was the 3rd best season in Unions history, automatically behind 83 and 89. But they lost 1 game. So did both of those teams I believe. 1 of them may have even lost 2.

Just food for thought.

Clearly Union Football does not get the administrative support that it once enjoyed.

No administrative support, yet you claim that these 4 guys were among the best in the programs history.  

This argument of flexibility is very old and overused at Union.

dlippiel is clearly  ****ing annoyed at the lack of "administrative" support the U football team has received in the past decade. He always hears conflicting stories about Union's current AD. Some say he doesn't do **** for football and others say he does. dlippiel still needs to hear more legitimate examples to formulate an opinion on him. You would think being a former ball player himself this would be a no brainer. dlippiel does know however that much of the focus at the U is on hockey and competing at the D1 level he understands that, but what dlippiel fails to understand why these administrative assholes have not supported football and Audino the way they should. Can't you support both? Can't you work to be a solid academic and athletic college? When it comes to the support or lack there of regarding U's football team dlippiel gets very testy. This discussion always brings dlippiel to the Ned Harkness example when the academics at the U just couldn't stand his success, ideals, and focus on athletics. Maybe something went wrong somewhere in U's football world that is similar. dlippiel is perplexed...

[mattvsmith]

FYI

Patriot League discusses football scholarships

When did Fordham stop giving football scholarships?  When The Rev worked there in 1999, all athletes had scholarships and they even had their own academic adviser who did all their schedules and dealt with the deans, etc.

['gro]

Re: Lack of union administration support.

Gro can't speak for the admins, but one of the reasons that teams like Union and Ithaca aren't dominating the east like they did is the dilution of talent now that other schools are taking football seriously (RPI since the late 80's, SJF this decade, Hartwick if they actually played defense)

that being said, a little love from the powers that be never hurt...

http://rpiathletics.com/photo_gallery.aspx?gallery=10

[theoriginalupstate]

Re: Lack of union administration support.

Gro can't speak for the admins, but one of the reasons that teams like Union and Ithaca aren't dominating the east like they did is the dilution of talent now that other schools are taking football seriously (RPI since the late 80's, SJF this decade, Hartwick if they actually played defense)

that being said, a little love from the powers that be never hurt...

http://rpiathletics.com/photo_gallery.aspx?gallery=10

Hydro-Therapy Pool??

Damn that place looks sweet!

[Reno Hightower]

Another note on the Marotti/TA/Angiletta era of Union Football and their only winning 1 NCAA Game......

In Unions heyday, when they were truly a national power, they fielded GREAT defenses. The D when those guys were in school was not good at all. I mean in 2005 they scored 24 points against Rowan, more than Mount Union scored in the semifinals. With the Union Defenses of the 80's and 90's they would have won by 2+ TD's putting up that many points. They give up 28 to a team with a QB who looked like a JV High School QB. Kid was garbage. Granted there were turnovers involved, but you cant expect to win many playoff games giving up 28 points. Then the next year against SJF, it took Dino a little too long to realize that nobody was going to run the ball on SJF; until the Final 4 anyway. Once he opened it up Union was able to move the ball well and score a few times to make it not completely embarrassing. Problem was, once Dino figured it out (and Im not blaming him, I mean how do you not go into a game with a plan of TA getting his touches!), SJF had like 21-28 points on the board. The D I think had 1 stop the whole 1st half. PATHETIC!

Also, Union has been to 2 Staggs. In 83 I think you had to win 1 game to be in the semis. They won 2 and made the Stagg. In 89 I think they had to win 3 to get to the Finals. They did. Great job. Those are the 2 best teams ever at Union. Other than those 2 teams, the NCAA wins have been few and far between. Though a Union fan, I am forced to admit that the greatness is a little exaggerated by its Alums and Supporters. 2005 was the 3rd best season in Unions history, automatically behind 83 and 89. But they lost 1 game. So did both of those teams I believe. 1 of them may have even lost 2.

Just food for thought.

Clearly Union Football does not get the administrative support that it once enjoyed.

No administrative support, yet you claim that these 4 guys were among the best in the programs history. 

This argument of flexibility is very old and overused at Union.

Right, and like I said earlier the Defense was garbage. Back in the day Union was very good across the board at every position. Now they are giving them the minimum needed to stay competitive. Plus, those 4 guys were all recruited before the current AD even started. 3 years before! So nice try. And you can talk about this current group if youd like but if he was really supporting the program then Gallo would have been here 3 years ago out of HS when he ws rejected despite wanting to come and having several family members being alums. And the Defense is still garbage. They havent gotten a kicker. The TE situation from what I hear is so bad that the coaches are having to change the entire offense and I dont think the OL is that good. Coney makes it look good.
Look at the sidelines when you are at a game man. These players dont look like the Union players that we are all used to seeing......
Hockey is King. Lacrosse is the Prince.
The AD is a puppet. He is doing what his bosses tell him to do. The Board of Trustees is loaded with Lax alums, thus their sudden improvement.
Id love to hear anybody tell me what positive the AD has done for football since he started at Union.

[union89]

Another note on the Marotti/TA/Angiletta era of Union Football and their only winning 1 NCAA Game......

In Unions heyday, when they were truly a national power, they fielded GREAT defenses. The D when those guys were in school was not good at all. I mean in 2005 they scored 24 points against Rowan, more than Mount Union scored in the semifinals. With the Union Defenses of the 80's and 90's they would have won by 2+ TD's putting up that many points. They give up 28 to a team with a QB who looked like a JV High School QB. Kid was garbage. Granted there were turnovers involved, but you cant expect to win many playoff games giving up 28 points. Then the next year against SJF, it took Dino a little too long to realize that nobody was going to run the ball on SJF; until the Final 4 anyway. Once he opened it up Union was able to move the ball well and score a few times to make it not completely embarrassing. Problem was, once Dino figured it out (and Im not blaming him, I mean how do you not go into a game with a plan of TA getting his touches!), SJF had like 21-28 points on the board. The D I think had 1 stop the whole 1st half. PATHETIC!

Also, Union has been to 2 Staggs. In 83 I think you had to win 1 game to be in the semis. They won 2 and made the Stagg. In 89 I think they had to win 3 to get to the Finals. They did. Great job. Those are the 2 best teams ever at Union. Other than those 2 teams, the NCAA wins have been few and far between. Though a Union fan, I am forced to admit that the greatness is a little exaggerated by its Alums and Supporters. 2005 was the 3rd best season in Unions history, automatically behind 83 and 89. But they lost 1 game. So did both of those teams I believe. 1 of them may have even lost 2.

Just food for thought.

Clearly Union Football does not get the administrative support that it once enjoyed.

No administrative support, yet you claim that these 4 guys were among the best in the programs history.  

This argument of flexibility is very old and overused at Union.

Right, and like I said earlier the Defense was garbage. Back in the day Union was very good across the board at every position. Now they are giving them the minimum needed to stay competitive. Plus, those 4 guys were all recruited before the current AD even started. 3 years before! So nice try. And you can talk about this current group if youd like but if he was really supporting the program then Gallo would have been here 3 years ago out of HS when he ws rejected despite wanting to come and having several family members being alums. And the Defense is still garbage. They havent gotten a kicker. The TE situation from what I hear is so bad that the coaches are having to change the entire offense and I dont think the OL is that good. Coney makes it look good.
Look at the sidelines when you are at a game man. These players dont look like the Union players that we are all used to seeing......
Hockey is King. Lacrosse is the Prince.
The AD is a puppet. He is doing what his bosses tell him to do. The Board of Trustees is loaded with Lax alums, thus their sudden improvement.
Id love to hear anybody tell me what positive the AD has done for football since he started at Union.

Alums have been clamoring for Ithaca to be added to the schedule......who added them?  You are also incorrect in your LAX assessment.  The lacrosse improvement directly correlates to the hiring of the current coach which was a specific choice of the AD.....had little to do with the Board of Trustees.

There was a guy in admissions a couple years ago named Darryl Tiggle who is a close friend of mine.  According to Tiggs, the football program got many more 'passes' than any other sport and rivaled the hockey program.

As you continue to bash the AD, you should be a stand up guy and state who you are....stop hiding behind your screen name.

[dlippiel]

Another note on the Marotti/TA/Angiletta era of Union Football and their only winning 1 NCAA Game......

In Unions heyday, when they were truly a national power, they fielded GREAT defenses. The D when those guys were in school was not good at all. I mean in 2005 they scored 24 points against Rowan, more than Mount Union scored in the semifinals. With the Union Defenses of the 80's and 90's they would have won by 2+ TD's putting up that many points. They give up 28 to a team with a QB who looked like a JV High School QB. Kid was garbage. Granted there were turnovers involved, but you cant expect to win many playoff games giving up 28 points. Then the next year against SJF, it took Dino a little too long to realize that nobody was going to run the ball on SJF; until the Final 4 anyway. Once he opened it up Union was able to move the ball well and score a few times to make it not completely embarrassing. Problem was, once Dino figured it out (and Im not blaming him, I mean how do you not go into a game with a plan of TA getting his touches!), SJF had like 21-28 points on the board. The D I think had 1 stop the whole 1st half. PATHETIC!

Also, Union has been to 2 Staggs. In 83 I think you had to win 1 game to be in the semis. They won 2 and made the Stagg. In 89 I think they had to win 3 to get to the Finals. They did. Great job. Those are the 2 best teams ever at Union. Other than those 2 teams, the NCAA wins have been few and far between. Though a Union fan, I am forced to admit that the greatness is a little exaggerated by its Alums and Supporters. 2005 was the 3rd best season in Unions history, automatically behind 83 and 89. But they lost 1 game. So did both of those teams I believe. 1 of them may have even lost 2.

Just food for thought.

Clearly Union Football does not get the administrative support that it once enjoyed.

No administrative support, yet you claim that these 4 guys were among the best in the programs history.  

This argument of flexibility is very old and overused at Union.

Right, and like I said earlier the Defense was garbage. Back in the day Union was very good across the board at every position. Now they are giving them the minimum needed to stay competitive. Plus, those 4 guys were all recruited before the current AD even started. 3 years before! So nice try. And you can talk about this current group if youd like but if he was really supporting the program then Gallo would have been here 3 years ago out of HS when he ws rejected despite wanting to come and having several family members being alums. And the Defense is still garbage. They havent gotten a kicker. The TE situation from what I hear is so bad that the coaches are having to change the entire offense and I dont think the OL is that good. Coney makes it look good.
Look at the sidelines when you are at a game man. These players dont look like the Union players that we are all used to seeing......
Hockey is King. Lacrosse is the Prince.
The AD is a puppet. He is doing what his bosses tell him to do. The Board of Trustees is loaded with Lax alums, thus their sudden improvement.
Id love to hear anybody tell me what positive the AD has done for football since he started at Union.

Alums have been clamoring for Ithaca to be added to the schedule......who added them?  You are also incorrect in your LAX assessment.  The lacrosse improvement directly correlates to the hiring of the current coach which was a specific choice of the AD.....had little to do with the Board of Trustees.

There was a guy in admissions a couple years ago named Darryl Tiggle who is a close friend of mine.  According to Tiggs, the football program got many more 'passes' than any other sport and rivaled the hockey program.

As you continue to bash the AD, you should be a stand up guy and state who you are....stop hiding behind your screen name.

U89 go easy on hightower here . I myself have heard many complaints about the AD in regards to FB but like I said I have also heard positive things as well so I try not to judge until I really meet the man or see first hand myself what is going on. There will always be full fledge critics of positions of that stature, and rightfully so. When you take a job like that you open yourself up to people (fans, alum) being critical of your actions or lack there of. I think reno is just very critical of this AD and has a right to be ya know. Like I have said I have heard both sides of the fence regarding him. Once Hockey came into the fold at the D1 level that immediately puts the AD in a very difficult position, especially when no outright scholarships are given. Hence I can only imagine the pressure he feels from administration, alum, fans, students, and professors to balance it all out. Anyway I think we all are in the same boat, we just want the U football to receive as much support as possible from all angles. Just my thoughts anyway.

[Reno Hightower]

Another note on the Marotti/TA/Angiletta era of Union Football and their only winning 1 NCAA Game......

In Unions heyday, when they were truly a national power, they fielded GREAT defenses. The D when those guys were in school was not good at all. I mean in 2005 they scored 24 points against Rowan, more than Mount Union scored in the semifinals. With the Union Defenses of the 80's and 90's they would have won by 2+ TD's putting up that many points. They give up 28 to a team with a QB who looked like a JV High School QB. Kid was garbage. Granted there were turnovers involved, but you cant expect to win many playoff games giving up 28 points. Then the next year against SJF, it took Dino a little too long to realize that nobody was going to run the ball on SJF; until the Final 4 anyway. Once he opened it up Union was able to move the ball well and score a few times to make it not completely embarrassing. Problem was, once Dino figured it out (and Im not blaming him, I mean how do you not go into a game with a plan of TA getting his touches!), SJF had like 21-28 points on the board. The D I think had 1 stop the whole 1st half. PATHETIC!

Also, Union has been to 2 Staggs. In 83 I think you had to win 1 game to be in the semis. They won 2 and made the Stagg. In 89 I think they had to win 3 to get to the Finals. They did. Great job. Those are the 2 best teams ever at Union. Other than those 2 teams, the NCAA wins have been few and far between. Though a Union fan, I am forced to admit that the greatness is a little exaggerated by its Alums and Supporters. 2005 was the 3rd best season in Unions history, automatically behind 83 and 89. But they lost 1 game. So did both of those teams I believe. 1 of them may have even lost 2.

Just food for thought.

Clearly Union Football does not get the administrative support that it once enjoyed.

No administrative support, yet you claim that these 4 guys were among the best in the programs history.  

This argument of flexibility is very old and overused at Union.

Right, and like I said earlier the Defense was garbage. Back in the day Union was very good across the board at every position. Now they are giving them the minimum needed to stay competitive. Plus, those 4 guys were all recruited before the current AD even started. 3 years before! So nice try. And you can talk about this current group if youd like but if he was really supporting the program then Gallo would have been here 3 years ago out of HS when he ws rejected despite wanting to come and having several family members being alums. And the Defense is still garbage. They havent gotten a kicker. The TE situation from what I hear is so bad that the coaches are having to change the entire offense and I dont think the OL is that good. Coney makes it look good.
Look at the sidelines when you are at a game man. These players dont look like the Union players that we are all used to seeing......
Hockey is King. Lacrosse is the Prince.
The AD is a puppet. He is doing what his bosses tell him to do. The Board of Trustees is loaded with Lax alums, thus their sudden improvement.
Id love to hear anybody tell me what positive the AD has done for football since he started at Union.

Alums have been clamoring for Ithaca to be added to the schedule......who added them?  You are also incorrect in your LAX assessment.  The lacrosse improvement directly correlates to the hiring of the current coach which was a specific choice of the AD.....had little to do with the Board of Trustees.

There was a guy in admissions a couple years ago named Darryl Tiggle who is a close friend of mine.  According to Tiggs, the football program got many more 'passes' than any other sport and rivaled the hockey program.

As you continue to bash the AD, you should be a stand up guy and state who you are....stop hiding behind your screen name.

Right, the new Lax coach who happens to be the 1st full-time head Lax coach at Union. Which means that  a whole new job was created. Who makes that call? Board of Trustees. Head Lax Coach used to be an Ast. FB Coach (Browny then Chambliss). The Board created the clear upgrade of the Lax Coaching situation and to the ADs credit, he made a great hire. Wehrum is legit. BUT, this only proves my point that Lax is now held in a higher regard than football. Lax has a full-time assistant and 2 GAs. This full-time assistant is also an assistant football coach. But during football season he is asked to coach lacrosse as well. Taking him out of the office where he could be preparing for the upcoming game. If the AD was truly a "football guy" wouldnt he tell the Head Lax coach that in his non-traditional season he has to make do with just his 2 GAs? Wouldnt hurt lacrosse at all. Would help football. Yet in this case, Lax is being improved and football is being, very directly, hurt.

Now to Unions Defensive Coordinator. Who doubles as the Head Softball Coach. He has to attend and run softball practices now during the football season. Used to be that he could leave it to his assistant softball coaches so he could focus on football. Not anymore. This is a direct decision by Unions AD. So when Union gives up point after poing and the defense appears unprepared, we can all point to this decision. So now you are looking at the 2 most important coaches on Unions defense who are both coaching other sports during the football season when they should be in the football office doing football things. These are both decisions that have been made by the current AD.

In regards to your statement about Tiggle and Unions "passes" in admissions. Unions number of passes has been severely shrunk under the current AD. Even since Tiggle has left Union. The passes taken from football have been given mainly to womens sports. 1 sport in particular has gone from 0 to now having passes. That sport? CREW! Yes, the Union AD has taken admissions passes from football and given them to CREW! Not saying that every pass has gone to crew, but it has happened. Also, the passes that Hockey gets are much better than Unions. The only way to prove this would be to look at the average incoming HS Grades of the recruits. But Im sure you can guess that hockey is bringing in a much lower level of High School Student than football is.

Also, Union Football has lost their 1 GA already and I take it on good information that they will soon be losing their lowest level full-time coach. Both on the current ADs watch.

SO, when we try to figure out why Union isnt as good as football these days lets think of the factors:
1. Less coaches in the office...literally and in regards to coaches being forced to do other things. EVERY team in the LL has at least 1 Full-Time Assistant Coach who has no other responsibility other than football. Union has 0. Their Defensive Coordinator is running softball practices during the season!
2. less "passes" in admissions
3. no budget increases in 20 years
4. A much harder schedule. Look at the schedule back in 83 and 89. NESCAC teams represented. RPI stunk. Hobart stunk. Now those teams are good and the OOC is WAAAAY more challenging.

Not good times at Union. Not good times at all.

[Reno Hightower]

Also, I asked to be informed of any positive that current AD has done for the football program since his arrival. Havent heard 1 thing.

[union89]

U89 is not bashing Reno at all....he has the right to speak negatively about anyone he wants.  I have openly ridiculed/questioned members of the Union staff both here and in person.  Any time I have spoken to anyone on the coaching staff about my concerns, I got a very honest response, which I truly appreciate.  Everyone on Union's staff know who I am.....you need only look at my e-mail address.  I know most of the posters in this room.  My sole point is that Reno DOES have the right to say what he wants about the AD....he should also be adult enough to be recognized for who he is in these statements.

Signed,
Mike's Mother

[stimulator]

Nothing better than Union on Union crime...

[lewdogg11]

Maybe it's just that the head coach sucks?

[Jonny Utah]

How does the AD have any control about who gets into the school and who gets "passes" or not? 

(JU now thinks back to whether or not he got a "pass" when admitted to Union.)