FB: Liberty League

[lewdogg11]

As a fan of a team that needs a starting pitcher or three, I find it hard to picture trading for a guy who's going to make maybe 8-9 starts, probably go 7-2 or 8-1 and maybe make a five-game difference in the standings at best over who we'd replace him with.

The Doyle Alexanders of the world are few and far between, and we all know what the Tigers gave up to get him.

We could always talk about Jeff Bagwell for Larry Alexander. 

I think the Sox have enough starting pitching.  No need to deplete their farm system for him. 

[Knightstalker]

As a fan of a team that needs a starting pitcher or three, I find it hard to picture trading for a guy who's going to make maybe 8-9 starts, probably go 7-2 or 8-1 and maybe make a five-game difference in the standings at best over who we'd replace him with.

The Doyle Alexanders of the world are few and far between, and we all know what the Tigers gave up to get him.

We could always talk about Jeff Bagwell for Larry Alexander. 

I think the Sox have enough starting pitching.  No need to deplete their farm system for him. 

KS feels the same way about the Yanks, why give up Hughes or Chamberlain and either Melky or Cano.  Got enough starting pitching for the stretch and why trade when you could probably sign in a year and half.  Teams like the Yanks, Sox, Phils and Dodgers can afford to wait.

[PBR...]

phils get cliff lee it looks like while keeping top pitching prospects pbr really likes this deal

So does Halladay go to Red Sox now?  Are any other teams in the mix? JT has only heard of the Phils and the Sox.

blue jays g.m. will get canned pbr cant imagine them not moving halladay but it sounds like riccardi wants the world for halladay. what the phillies offered 1 last time for halladay and blue jays rejected was crazy for him to turn down that trade. totally nuts if pbr is bosox g.m. pull their best deal off the table and offer less and the blue jays have no one else to trade with....

[Mr. Ypsi]

As a fan of a team that needs a starting pitcher or three, I find it hard to picture trading for a guy who's going to make maybe 8-9 starts, probably go 7-2 or 8-1 and maybe make a five-game difference in the standings at best over who we'd replace him with.

The Doyle Alexanders of the world are few and far between, and we all know what the Tigers gave up to get him.

Do you have to keep reminding me of John Smoltz?

[skunks_sidekick]

Frickin' Indians!  I would imagine they now have the record for TRADING the last two Cy Young award winners the following year.  Now THAT is special!  Sabathia I could see.....but Lee has another year on his contract. 

Sigh..well at least I have the Browns to look.....ummm.......crap.....never mind.

[Tags]

Hey that's weird, an Obama pick looking to limit positions and kick Capitalism in the junk.

Go for it... someday he'll learn that supply & demand, and pricing drive economies, and that socialism doesn't work.

Sorry, had to send a shot across to bow -- No more politico from me.

Durable goods was a blow. It'll definitely be interesting to see how Q3/Q4 earnings come in. There's only so much companies can cut costs to save themselves, now the top line revenue will have to come back or else we'll be in for a really rough 2nd half.

+k

Please go away.

wasn't even that bad, just some sarcasm. You'll be alright.

[PBR...]

Hey that's weird, an Obama pick looking to limit positions and kick Capitalism in the junk.

Go for it... someday he'll learn that supply & demand, and pricing drive economies, and that socialism doesn't work.

Sorry, had to send a shot across to bow -- No more politico from me.

Durable goods was a blow. It'll definitely be interesting to see how Q3/Q4 earnings come in. There's only so much companies can cut costs to save themselves, now the top line revenue will have to come back or else we'll be in for a really rough 2nd half.

+k

Please go away.

wasn't even that bad, just some sarcasm. You'll be alright.

head on over to the political boards pbr is sure they could use some fresh blood pbr hasnt been there in months but sure they would enjoy some new perspectives

[dlippiel]

As a fan of a team that needs a starting pitcher or three, I find it hard to picture trading for a guy who's going to make maybe 8-9 starts, probably go 7-2 or 8-1 and maybe make a five-game difference in the standings at best over who we'd replace him with.

The Doyle Alexanders of the world are few and far between, and we all know what the Tigers gave up to get him.

We could always talk about Jeff Bagwell for Larry Alexander. 

I think the Sox have enough starting pitching.  No need to deplete their farm system for him. 

KS feels the same way about the Yanks, why give up Hughes or Chamberlain and either Melky or Cano.  Got enough starting pitching for the stretch and why trade when you could probably sign in a year and half.  Teams like the Yanks, Sox, Phils and Dodgers can afford to wait.

I wouldn't mind giving up Chamberlin and Melky for any decent player. Melky is just very immature and Chamberlin has proven to be an average starter. If the Yanks even think of moving Hughes I will serioulsy not watch YES for a **** long time...like it will matter though. Right now the Yanks are meshing and I believe have proven that they have the ability and team cameraderie to make a run for the Series. Please don't mess with that!

[dlippiel]

alright who in the LLPP was juicin' and didnt even know it?

WASHINGTON, July 29 (UPI) -- Popular body-building products sold as nutritional
supplements may contain steroids that produce acute liver injury and kidney
failure, U.S. regulators said.
The Food and Drug Administration cited eight popular products from American
Cellular Laboratories Inc., including Mass Xtreme and Tren Xtreme, that the
agency said contain hidden and potentially hazardous steroids or "steroidlike
substances."
The products are sold on the Internet and in some stores, the FDA said.
It did not tell consumers what other products to avoid. The FDA acknowledged it
did not know how many products its warning affects.
It advised consumers "to stop taking body-building products from any
manufacturer that claim to contain steroidlike substances or to enhance or
diminish androgen-, estrogen- or progestinlike effects in the body."
In particular, the agency said consumers should not buy products using code
words like "anabolic" and "tren" or phrases like "blocks estrogen" and
"minimizes gyno."
Bodily damage can also include stroke and pulmonary embolism, or artery
blockage in the lung, the FDA said.
The warning is part of a larger investigation into body-building products that
contain hidden steroids, The New York Times reported.

Pic of dlippiel after a workout! ****!

[JT]

As a fan of a team that needs a starting pitcher or three, I find it hard to picture trading for a guy who's going to make maybe 8-9 starts, probably go 7-2 or 8-1 and maybe make a five-game difference in the standings at best over who we'd replace him with.

The Doyle Alexanders of the world are few and far between, and we all know what the Tigers gave up to get him.

We could always talk about Jeff Bagwell for Larry Alexander. 

I think the Sox have enough starting pitching.  No need to deplete their farm system for him. 

KS feels the same way about the Yanks, why give up Hughes or Chamberlain and either Melky or Cano.  Got enough starting pitching for the stretch and why trade when you could probably sign in a year and half.  Teams like the Yanks, Sox, Phils and Dodgers can afford to wait.

I wouldn't mind giving up Chamberlin and Melky for any decent player. Melky is just very immature and Chamberlin has proven to be an average starter. If the Yanks even think of moving Hughes I will serioulsy not watch YES for a **** long time...like it will matter though. Right now the Yanks are meshing and I believe have proven that they have the ability and team cameraderie to make a run for the Series. Please don't mess with that!

Chamberlain has had two very good starts back-to-back.  He hasn't pitched a lot of innings or had a lot of major league starts.  JT thinks he's beginning to figure out how to be a starter in the majors with the stuff he has.  He was tending to fall in love with certain pitches early on.

JT also liked the Gardner/Melky platoon.  Hopefully, Melky can pick up the slack until Gardner comes back.

[Tags]

Hey that's weird, an Obama pick looking to limit positions and kick Capitalism in the junk.

Go for it... someday he'll learn that supply & demand, and pricing drive economies, and that socialism doesn't work.

Sorry, had to send a shot across to bow -- No more politico from me.

Durable goods was a blow. It'll definitely be interesting to see how Q3/Q4 earnings come in. There's only so much companies can cut costs to save themselves, now the top line revenue will have to come back or else we'll be in for a really rough 2nd half.

+k

Please go away.

wasn't even that bad, just some sarcasm. You'll be alright.

head on over to the political boards pbr is sure they could use some fresh blood pbr hasnt been there in months but sure they would enjoy some new perspectives

eh, not that into it. Didn't really mean to cause a stir here in the LLPP.

On another note... any of you gents going to be attending the Fisher / MUC game? Tags assumes some of you are in the area.

[union89]

Hey that's weird, an Obama pick looking to limit positions and kick Capitalism in the junk.

Go for it... someday he'll learn that supply & demand, and pricing drive economies, and that socialism doesn't work.

Sorry, had to send a shot across to bow -- No more politico from me.

Durable goods was a blow. It'll definitely be interesting to see how Q3/Q4 earnings come in. There's only so much companies can cut costs to save themselves, now the top line revenue will have to come back or else we'll be in for a really rough 2nd half.

+k

Please go away.

wasn't even that bad, just some sarcasm. You'll be alright.

head on over to the political boards pbr is sure they could use some fresh blood pbr hasnt been there in months but sure they would enjoy some new perspectives

Man, PBR loves being the LLPP referee.....

[Jonny Utah]

Good job Dip!  I knew you had it in you all along...

[lewdogg11]

My buddy has 2 girls.  says you gotta go deeper for girls.  i'll probably have boys.

[pumkinattack]

Congrats Dlippiel!  I've been debating with my wife, but if we have a girl (in the future) I had a thought that maybe we should let her eat all the candy and junk and she'll grow up chubby so boys aren't interested, then she'll hit college and wise up hit the treadmill and shed shed that junk at which point it's out of my control anyway (kind of like the kids in Scrooged).  Worth a shot, eh?

Halladay is better than all but one pitcher on either the Yanks or Red Sox (might be better than Beckett, but that's a tough debate) and probably has 3 - 4 good years in him, so why not throw some prospects who could end up as the next Brian Taylor, Tood Van Poppel, Paul Wilson, etc. for him?  It's not like he's a Pavano who threw up one good year, he's done it pretty consistently for a couple.  Same with Johan, the Yanks should've made that deal when they had the chance. 

Big DV's,

You think Matazinsky can be a player if he continues to improve (hard work and all that)?  Is he more suited at DE or TE, or something else, like ILB at this level?