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[JT]

By the way, dlip heard about the whole Rush Limbaugh thing and him not being allowed to participate in the purchase group who is planning on buying the Rams. dlip thinks Rush is one of the most ****ed up, off base, unrealistic pieces of **** in  the political analysis buisness. Yet, dlip feels it is BS that he is unable to participate in the buy. He has money, he earned his money, he should be able to participate. What are we coming to? dlip means, you have some thugs and felons on these teams making millions and a millionaire, who does happen to be an asshole, can't take part in the buy because of his thoughts and opinions? dlip feels this is way wrong and Limbaugh should be allowed to participate. Look at some of the current owners, definitely some criminals there who have done much worse than an Oxycotton addiction and a stupid mouth. Obviously opening a pandora's box here but seriously.

I'd like to see how many players put their money where their mouth is if he bought the team.  I'd be impressed and have all the respect in the world for a player who sat out and didn't earn an income from his profession because of his beliefs, but think at the end of the day very, very few have the willpower to do so.  Rush is a jerkoff, but it's his money.  Are JayLo and Mark Anthony the classiest people in the world (let alone Al Davis)?  That being said, the collective vote of the current owners is a right they have in this structure also.  The courts have ruled that the NFL is subject to competition laws and if Rush were so compelled, eh can buy a team in the CFL, etc.  It's just not in the owners best business interests to regulate ownership as it reduces liquidity for all. 

JT is hoping Rush goes after all those media whores spouting off and quoting things Rush never said.  That's called slander.  If Rush was not a conservative, this wouldn't even be news at all.  There are more than a few "questionable" minority owners in the NFL.

Because Rush is successful and effective, the left will keep trying to destroy him.

[PBR...]

By the way, dlip heard about the whole Rush Limbaugh thing and him not being allowed to participate in the purchase group who is planning on buying the Rams. dlip thinks Rush is one of the most ****ed up, off base, unrealistic pieces of **** in  the political analysis buisness. Yet, dlip feels it is BS that he is unable to participate in the buy. He has money, he earned his money, he should be able to participate. What are we coming to? dlip means, you have some thugs and felons on these teams making millions and a millionaire, who does happen to be an asshole, can't take part in the buy because of his thoughts and opinions? dlip feels this is way wrong and Limbaugh should be allowed to participate. Look at some of the current owners, definitely some criminals there who have done much worse than an Oxycotton addiction and a stupid mouth. Obviously opening a pandora's box here but seriously.

I'd like to see how many players put their money where their mouth is if he bought the team.  I'd be impressed and have all the respect in the world for a player who sat out and didn't earn an income from his profession because of his beliefs, but think at the end of the day very, very few have the willpower to do so.  Rush is a jerkoff, but it's his money.  Are JayLo and Mark Anthony the classiest people in the world (let alone Al Davis)?  That being said, the collective vote of the current owners is a right they have in this structure also.  The courts have ruled that the NFL is subject to competition laws and if Rush were so compelled, eh can buy a team in the CFL, etc.  It's just not in the owners best business interests to regulate ownership as it reduces liquidity for all. 

JT is hoping Rush goes after all those media whores spouting off and quoting things Rush never said.  That's called slander.  If Rush was not a conservative, this wouldn't even be news at all.  There are more than a few "questionable" minority owners in the NFL.

Because Rush is successful and effective, the left will keep trying to destroy him.

political board fellas...thats what its there for before this blows up in a huge political thread...

[maxpower]

By the way, dlip heard about the whole Rush Limbaugh thing and him not being allowed to participate in the purchase group who is planning on buying the Rams. dlip thinks Rush is one of the most ****ed up, off base, unrealistic pieces of **** in  the political analysis buisness. Yet, dlip feels it is BS that he is unable to participate in the buy. He has money, he earned his money, he should be able to participate. What are we coming to? dlip means, you have some thugs and felons on these teams making millions and a millionaire, who does happen to be an asshole, can't take part in the buy because of his thoughts and opinions? dlip feels this is way wrong and Limbaugh should be allowed to participate. Look at some of the current owners, definitely some criminals there who have done much worse than an Oxycotton addiction and a stupid mouth. Obviously opening a pandora's box here but seriously.

I'd like to see how many players put their money where their mouth is if he bought the team.  I'd be impressed and have all the respect in the world for a player who sat out and didn't earn an income from his profession because of his beliefs, but think at the end of the day very, very few have the willpower to do so.  Rush is a jerkoff, but it's his money.  Are JayLo and Mark Anthony the classiest people in the world (let alone Al Davis)?  That being said, the collective vote of the current owners is a right they have in this structure also.  The courts have ruled that the NFL is subject to competition laws and if Rush were so compelled, eh can buy a team in the CFL, etc.  It's just not in the owners best business interests to regulate ownership as it reduces liquidity for all. 

JT is hoping Rush goes after all those media whores spouting off and quoting things Rush never said.  That's called slander.  If Rush was not a conservative, this wouldn't even be news at all.  There are more than a few "questionable" minority owners in the NFL.

Because Rush is successful and effective, the left will keep trying to destroy him.

I seem to remember MLB blocking the sale of the Nationals to a guy that donated a lot to Kerry's campaign...

[pg04]

If you want to see slander just head to the political boards.  And yes I agree that's where such talk should be held. 

[SaintsFAN]

By the way, dlip heard about the whole Rush Limbaugh thing and him not being allowed to participate in the purchase group who is planning on buying the Rams. dlip thinks Rush is one of the most ****ed up, off base, unrealistic pieces of **** in  the political analysis buisness. Yet, dlip feels it is BS that he is unable to participate in the buy. He has money, he earned his money, he should be able to participate. What are we coming to? dlip means, you have some thugs and felons on these teams making millions and a millionaire, who does happen to be an asshole, can't take part in the buy because of his thoughts and opinions? dlip feels this is way wrong and Limbaugh should be allowed to participate. Look at some of the current owners, definitely some criminals there who have done much worse than an Oxycotton addiction and a stupid mouth. Obviously opening a pandora's box here but seriously.

I'd like to see how many players put their money where their mouth is if he bought the team.  I'd be impressed and have all the respect in the world for a player who sat out and didn't earn an income from his profession because of his beliefs, but think at the end of the day very, very few have the willpower to do so.  Rush is a jerkoff, but it's his money.  Are JayLo and Mark Anthony the classiest people in the world (let alone Al Davis)?  That being said, the collective vote of the current owners is a right they have in this structure also.  The courts have ruled that the NFL is subject to competition laws and if Rush were so compelled, eh can buy a team in the CFL, etc.  It's just not in the owners best business interests to regulate ownership as it reduces liquidity for all. 

JT is hoping Rush goes after all those media whores spouting off and quoting things Rush never said.  That's called slander.  If Rush was not a conservative, this wouldn't even be news at all.  There are more than a few "questionable" minority owners in the NFL.

Because Rush is successful and effective, the left will keep trying to destroy him.

political board fellas...thats what its there for before this blows up in a huge political thread...

Agreed.  Has anyone seen what the political board has become??  After becoming the Wild West (say Tombstone AZ) now everyone has abandoned it.   I've posted some political stuff on the LLPP before (while being corrected by LD) and I'd hate to see the LLPP mirror what happened in the political boards --- which would mean boredom for SF while at work.

[pumkinattack]

I just wanted to make the two points that I'd be interested to see how the players would actually respond given their talk in the hypothetical and the fact that restricting ownership is a bad policy in general because it becomes a slippery slope and, especially in this economy, getting financing to buy a team is pretty difficult (looks at Tom Hick's sports group, another NHL team, the Cubs buy is uglier than people realize).  I once looked at a financing package for the Houston Texans in 04 or 05, sports teams live and die on terminal value (asset appreciation) and transfer pricing to complementary businesses.  You can't finance hard assets without proving out cash flows right now.  

[JT]

By the way, dlip heard about the whole Rush Limbaugh thing and him not being allowed to participate in the purchase group who is planning on buying the Rams. dlip thinks Rush is one of the most ****ed up, off base, unrealistic pieces of **** in  the political analysis buisness. Yet, dlip feels it is BS that he is unable to participate in the buy. He has money, he earned his money, he should be able to participate. What are we coming to? dlip means, you have some thugs and felons on these teams making millions and a millionaire, who does happen to be an asshole, can't take part in the buy because of his thoughts and opinions? dlip feels this is way wrong and Limbaugh should be allowed to participate. Look at some of the current owners, definitely some criminals there who have done much worse than an Oxycotton addiction and a stupid mouth. Obviously opening a pandora's box here but seriously.

I'd like to see how many players put their money where their mouth is if he bought the team.  I'd be impressed and have all the respect in the world for a player who sat out and didn't earn an income from his profession because of his beliefs, but think at the end of the day very, very few have the willpower to do so.  Rush is a jerkoff, but it's his money.  Are JayLo and Mark Anthony the classiest people in the world (let alone Al Davis)?  That being said, the collective vote of the current owners is a right they have in this structure also.  The courts have ruled that the NFL is subject to competition laws and if Rush were so compelled, eh can buy a team in the CFL, etc.  It's just not in the owners best business interests to regulate ownership as it reduces liquidity for all. 

JT is hoping Rush goes after all those media whores spouting off and quoting things Rush never said.  That's called slander.  If Rush was not a conservative, this wouldn't even be news at all.  There are more than a few "questionable" minority owners in the NFL.

Because Rush is successful and effective, the left will keep trying to destroy him.

political board fellas...thats what its there for before this blows up in a huge political thread...

JT's comment is fact, not political opinion.  The media did a very poor job of fact checking things Rush said or did not say.  And the story garnered so much buzz because they are actually trying to destroy him.  Another fact.

Rush can defend himself.  JT was merely explaining to dlipp why the Rush's of this world are treated differently that most other potential investors would be.  So no, this is not a political board post.  We're not debating whether we agree with Rush's politics or not, just discussing his treatment for wanting to be a minority owner of a NFL football team.

[JT]

By the way, dlip heard about the whole Rush Limbaugh thing and him not being allowed to participate in the purchase group who is planning on buying the Rams. dlip thinks Rush is one of the most ****ed up, off base, unrealistic pieces of **** in  the political analysis buisness. Yet, dlip feels it is BS that he is unable to participate in the buy. He has money, he earned his money, he should be able to participate. What are we coming to? dlip means, you have some thugs and felons on these teams making millions and a millionaire, who does happen to be an asshole, can't take part in the buy because of his thoughts and opinions? dlip feels this is way wrong and Limbaugh should be allowed to participate. Look at some of the current owners, definitely some criminals there who have done much worse than an Oxycotton addiction and a stupid mouth. Obviously opening a pandora's box here but seriously.

I'd like to see how many players put their money where their mouth is if he bought the team.  I'd be impressed and have all the respect in the world for a player who sat out and didn't earn an income from his profession because of his beliefs, but think at the end of the day very, very few have the willpower to do so.  Rush is a jerkoff, but it's his money.  Are JayLo and Mark Anthony the classiest people in the world (let alone Al Davis)?  That being said, the collective vote of the current owners is a right they have in this structure also.  The courts have ruled that the NFL is subject to competition laws and if Rush were so compelled, eh can buy a team in the CFL, etc.  It's just not in the owners best business interests to regulate ownership as it reduces liquidity for all. 

JT is hoping Rush goes after all those media whores spouting off and quoting things Rush never said.  That's called slander.  If Rush was not a conservative, this wouldn't even be news at all.  There are more than a few "questionable" minority owners in the NFL.

Because Rush is successful and effective, the left will keep trying to destroy him.

I seem to remember MLB blocking the sale of the Nationals to a guy that donated a lot to Kerry's campaign...

Was it ever major news? This Rams/Rush thing is all over the news and talk shows.

[maxpower]

Though I'm glad Limbaugh is out of the picture, I think that restricting ownership is one of the most problematic things about American Sports. In the Premier League, for example, any team, if it does well enough, moves up. Any team, if it does poorly enough, moves down. This is real incentive for performance, whereas in all four (yes I'm a hockey fan) major team sports here, the only real incentive is to turn a profit.

I don't know much about how the NFL does it, but in MLB any sale has to be approved by all 30 owners. It's a total closed shop allowed to perpetuate by a completely old-fashioned anti-trust exemption that congress should have lifted years ago. It also allows teams like the Pirates to do nothing but turn a profit with almost no indication that they're looking to actually compete... and if someone wants to buy them and run them the right way, it can be vetoed easily.

Was it ever major news? This Rams/Rush thing is all over the news and talk shows.

I don't have any contacts in MLB and I rarely read anything other than MSM, so yes, I'm sure it was on the news.

[union89]

By the way, dlip heard about the whole Rush Limbaugh thing and him not being allowed to participate in the purchase group who is planning on buying the Rams. dlip thinks Rush is one of the most ****ed up, off base, unrealistic pieces of **** in  the political analysis buisness. Yet, dlip feels it is BS that he is unable to participate in the buy. He has money, he earned his money, he should be able to participate. What are we coming to? dlip means, you have some thugs and felons on these teams making millions and a millionaire, who does happen to be an asshole, can't take part in the buy because of his thoughts and opinions? dlip feels this is way wrong and Limbaugh should be allowed to participate. Look at some of the current owners, definitely some criminals there who have done much worse than an Oxycotton addiction and a stupid mouth. Obviously opening a pandora's box here but seriously.

I'd like to see how many players put their money where their mouth is if he bought the team.  I'd be impressed and have all the respect in the world for a player who sat out and didn't earn an income from his profession because of his beliefs, but think at the end of the day very, very few have the willpower to do so.  Rush is a jerkoff, but it's his money.  Are JayLo and Mark Anthony the classiest people in the world (let alone Al Davis)?  That being said, the collective vote of the current owners is a right they have in this structure also.  The courts have ruled that the NFL is subject to competition laws and if Rush were so compelled, eh can buy a team in the CFL, etc.  It's just not in the owners best business interests to regulate ownership as it reduces liquidity for all. 

JT is hoping Rush goes after all those media whores spouting off and quoting things Rush never said.  That's called slander.  If Rush was not a conservative, this wouldn't even be news at all.  There are more than a few "questionable" minority owners in the NFL.

Because Rush is successful and effective, the left will keep trying to destroy him.

The Dolphin's ownership is obviously part of a marketing plan, but the circus they have created has made me hate them even more....which U89 thought was impossible.

Anybody catch the Monday Night game with JLo's husband in the VIP box with his shirt all unbuttoned and giant medallions hanging around his neck?  If I didn't know better, I would have thought LD11 took a detour on his vacation and scored some VIP seats for the Dolphins/Jets game.

[union89]

By the way, dlip heard about the whole Rush Limbaugh thing and him not being allowed to participate in the purchase group who is planning on buying the Rams. dlip thinks Rush is one of the most ****ed up, off base, unrealistic pieces of **** in  the political analysis buisness. Yet, dlip feels it is BS that he is unable to participate in the buy. He has money, he earned his money, he should be able to participate. What are we coming to? dlip means, you have some thugs and felons on these teams making millions and a millionaire, who does happen to be an asshole, can't take part in the buy because of his thoughts and opinions? dlip feels this is way wrong and Limbaugh should be allowed to participate. Look at some of the current owners, definitely some criminals there who have done much worse than an Oxycotton addiction and a stupid mouth. Obviously opening a pandora's box here but seriously.

I'd like to see how many players put their money where their mouth is if he bought the team.  I'd be impressed and have all the respect in the world for a player who sat out and didn't earn an income from his profession because of his beliefs, but think at the end of the day very, very few have the willpower to do so.  Rush is a jerkoff, but it's his money.  Are JayLo and Mark Anthony the classiest people in the world (let alone Al Davis)?  That being said, the collective vote of the current owners is a right they have in this structure also.  The courts have ruled that the NFL is subject to competition laws and if Rush were so compelled, eh can buy a team in the CFL, etc.  It's just not in the owners best business interests to regulate ownership as it reduces liquidity for all. 

JT is hoping Rush goes after all those media whores spouting off and quoting things Rush never said.  That's called slander.  If Rush was not a conservative, this wouldn't even be news at all.  There are more than a few "questionable" minority owners in the NFL.

Because Rush is successful and effective, the left will keep trying to destroy him.

political board fellas...thats what its there for before this blows up in a huge political thread...

Agreed.  Has anyone seen what the political board has become??  After becoming the Wild West (say Tombstone AZ) now everyone has abandoned it.   I've posted some political stuff on the LLPP before (while being corrected by LD) and I'd hate to see the LLPP mirror what happened in the political boards --- which would mean boredom for SF while at work.

Ahhhh, this isn't really political talk (even though JT is inolved  ).....This is more about ownership of the St. Louis Rams football team, which seems appropriate to me.

[union89]

I just wanted to make the two points that I'd be interested to see how the players would actually respond given their talk in the hypothetical and the fact that restricting ownership is a bad policy in general because it becomes a slippery slope and, especially in this economy, getting financing to buy a team is pretty difficult (looks at Tom Hick's sports group, another NHL team, the Cubs buy is uglier than people realize).  I once looked at a financing package for the Houston Texans in 04 or 05, sports teams live and die on terminal value (asset appreciation) and transfer pricing to complementary businesses.  You can't finance hard assets without proving out cash flows right now.  

U89 is usually the king of the run-on sentence....PA, you may have wrestled away the crown with this one.

[JT]

Though I'm glad Limbaugh is out of the picture, I think that restricting ownership is one of the most problematic things about American Sports. In the Premier League, for example, any team, if it does well enough, moves up. Any team, if it does poorly enough, moves down. This is real incentive for performance, whereas in all four (yes I'm a hockey fan) major team sports here, the only real incentive is to turn a profit.

I don't know much about how the NFL does it, but in MLB any sale has to be approved by all 30 owners. It's a total closed shop allowed to perpetuate by a completely old-fashioned anti-trust exemption that congress should have lifted years ago. It also allows teams like the Pirates to do nothing but turn a profit with almost no indication that they're looking to actually compete... and if someone wants to buy them and run them the right way, it can be vetoed easily.

Was it ever major news? This Rams/Rush thing is all over the news and talk shows.

I don't have any contacts in MLB and I rarely read anything other than MSM, so yes, I'm sure it was on the news.

As long as the PC police spin, distort, and run things, one better not be a public figure and try to conduct business in America. Unless you are music or hollywood star, then you can do and say what you want.

[PBR...]

wow !!!!!  WEATHER is going to play a HUGE HUGE factor this weekend all up and down the eastern seaboard for college games....It is snowing over most of pennsylvania right now (higher elevations are getting 3-6 inches)and this is going to be 2 noreasters rolling up the coast thursday thru saturday!! almost 3 inches of rain and high winds and snow in other places. Like it or not weather is going to be a huge factor in games and thus rankings.

[pumkinattack]

I was just bitching about the rainy 50-60 degreee weather down here, giving my wife a hard time about us moving to Atl (for her) over the summer and then I see the noreaster coming in and realize it aint so bad down here.  I like snow, but even in NYC, is was brown slush within a few hours of falling, so I haven't seen any of that nice Upstate NY snow in a long time.