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[JQV]

This could have affected CC Sabathia's approach to right-handed hitters, as he also needs to pitch inside to them to establish the outside half of the plate/brush back hitters who lean over the plate.  

Another good point.  Does Sabathia work Utley exclusively down-and-away without the warning?  Does Sabathia miss in the middle of the plate with a slider if he is allowed to come back in?

[pumkinattack]

Jackson's pay went up 330% this decade (direct cash compensation from a little over $300k to $1.05MM) and overall comp, including benefits, went up 400%.  And Wall Street are the only guys out of touch on pay? 

Mark Gearan, who I think has been great for Hobart, made $536k all in last year ($420 cash, the rest in benefits), up from $212k all in (almost all cash) in his first full year (2000-2001) to live in Geneva. 

This is important because this is an operating expense and colleges have been jacking up tuition because they need to cover operating costs?  F***ing BS.  If they had just grown his income by 75% over that eight year period they would've save about $125k, or 2.5 full school students costs, per year.

[Doid23]

I've seen much much worse examples of players crowding the plate, and I've never seen them get hit 3 times in 6 AB's.

Then you aren't watching enough baseball.  He's getting hit a lot in this series because the advance book on him says that he is killing pitches over the outer-half.  Look at all this post-season dingers.  How many went down the LF line.  He is hitting the ball out to Center, to the alley in Left Center (that happens to also have the jet stream behind it) and down the RF line.  The only way to counter that as a pitcher is to pitch him in, get off the plate in, and jam him.

The hockey example is a red herring because high-sticking and chargine are illegal.  Throwing inside is not illegal in baseball.

Did I say anything about throwing inside? Nope. Nothing wrong with throwing inside. Hell, nothing wrong with hitting people either (as I said earlier, I don't think he was thrown at intentionally, but for all I know, they could have been). I was just responding to your post that it wasn't understandable that he would be mad at being hit 3 times by ~90 mph pitches. I would, and you would too.

And, I watch plenty of baseball, thanks for asking. Had Yankees season tickets for years, watch about 60 regular season games on TV now, and most of the playoffs (Yankees or otherwise). The "book on him" has been the same book it's always been with him, and throughout these playoffs certainly, yet 3 times in 6 ab's is unique.

My favorite line (not yours) is that Utley "almost got hit". Sabathia is an inside pitcher, Utley hit's the hell out of him this series, and he hasn't been hit yet.

We'll agree to disagree, not worth really getting emotional about, but the funny thing is, I don't like ARod, think he's a phony, and agree with many of the comments here about him. Just my opinion that he should be pissed about getting hit 3 times, and that it is strange. I thought about it for about 2 minutes last night and moved on, as I will here.

[PBR...]

Jackson's pay went up 330% this decade (direct cash compensation from a little over $300k to $1.05MM) and overall comp, including benefits, went up 400%.  And Wall Street are the only guys out of touch on pay? 

Mark Gearan, who I think has been great for Hobart, made $536k all in last year ($420 cash, the rest in benefits), up from $212k all in (almost all cash) in his first full year (2000-2001) to live in Geneva. 

This is important because this is an operating expense and colleges have been jacking up tuition because they need to cover operating costs?  F***ing BS.  If they had just grown his income by 75% over that eight year period they would've save about $125k, or 2.5 full school students costs, per year.

pbr thinks gro/LD/reg would be fantastic at doing her job and for about 2/3 of what she is making...maybe its time for RPI to cut more costs and put peeps in there w/ some affilation w/ the school!

[Regulator]

Jackson's pay went up 330% this decade (direct cash compensation from a little over $300k to $1.05MM) and overall comp, including benefits, went up 400%.  And Wall Street are the only guys out of touch on pay? 

Mark Gearan, who I think has been great for Hobart, made $536k all in last year ($420 cash, the rest in benefits), up from $212k all in (almost all cash) in his first full year (2000-2001) to live in Geneva. 

This is important because this is an operating expense and colleges have been jacking up tuition because they need to cover operating costs?  F***ing BS.  If they had just grown his income by 75% over that eight year period they would've save about $125k, or 2.5 full school students costs, per year.

PBR & PA-
The board is rewarding her for bringing in 1.6 billion dollars over the last 5 years.  I just feel bad for the individuals reduce from the RPI workforce at the same time.

A while back, I got this postcard from RPI basically patting themselves on the back for how great of a success the Rensselaer Plan was (this is the 5 year plan Jackson started when she got there)..  Here is a wakeup call RPI, we are not ranked any higher, we are not more competitive in the job market and there really hasn't been all that much change. 

[PBR...]

Jackson's pay went up 330% this decade (direct cash compensation from a little over $300k to $1.05MM) and overall comp, including benefits, went up 400%.  And Wall Street are the only guys out of touch on pay? 

Mark Gearan, who I think has been great for Hobart, made $536k all in last year ($420 cash, the rest in benefits), up from $212k all in (almost all cash) in his first full year (2000-2001) to live in Geneva. 

This is important because this is an operating expense and colleges have been jacking up tuition because they need to cover operating costs?  F***ing BS.  If they had just grown his income by 75% over that eight year period they would've save about $125k, or 2.5 full school students costs, per year.

PBR & PA-
The board is rewarding her for bringing in 1.6 billion dollars over the last 5 years.  I just feel bad for the individuals reduce from the RPI workforce at the same time.

A while back, I got this postcard from RPI basically patting themselves on the back for how great of a success the Rensselaer Plan was (this is the 5 year plan Jackson started when she got there)..  Here is a wakeup call RPI, we are not ranked any higher, we are not more competitive in the job market and there really hasn't been all that much change. 

in other words its time for change (to steal obama lingo...) and bring gro/LD/reg in to change course....

[redswarm81]

You act as if the pitches that hit Rodriguez were no more than an inch or so off the plate.

Are you saying it's always dirty to go off-the-plate inside?

No, I'm not saying that.  I'm not even saying that throwing at a batter is illegal, because you already know that.

Brushback pitches do not equal beanballs.  Ever.

Right.  So?

It is illegal to throw at a batter.  It is illegal to throw at a batter's head, ass, or foot.

The pitches wouldn't be so far inside if ARod didn't hang his lead elbow over the plate.  He moved up on the plate three or four years ago when he stopped being able to drive the ball to the oppossite field with just his wrists.

This doesn't make a lot of sense.  The plate, not the batter, is the point of reference for measuring how far inside a pitch is.  The pitches that hit A-Rod would have been a foot off the plate no matter who was batting, or where he was standing.

Thus, if you want to throw him strikes on the outer-half (like Blanton's strikeout pitch) you have to move him off the plate by coming in.  Pitchers have only been using this strategy for 150 years, I can understand why you find it so apalling.

Fine, a pitcher is not permitted to throw at a batter.  Intentionally throwing at a batter is grounds for expulsion.  I think that A-Rod, getting plunked 3 times in 2 games, has legitimate grounds to suspect that the pitchers are throwing at him.

Let me ask you this question, is Blanton's pitch any dirtier than Rivera throwing his cutter off the plate to lefties?

Does Rivera throw at lefties?

[JT]

The bench warning was wrong, because it took away the Yankees ability to do the same thing to say... Utley.

For once, you and I agree 100%.  Unfortunately, Queen Selig has taken away the ump's discretion in such situations.  Bench warnings are totally not necessary.

We agree on more than you think.  Just because you are an Ithaca grad doesn't make you a bad person  

[Frank Rossi]

Just because you are an Ithaca grad doesn't make you a bad person  

It's more of a rebuttable presumption, actually... 

[JT]

And he didn't bitch, or charge the mound, didn't point at the pitcher or yell into the dugout, just said something to the ump and went to first base.

This is it for me and then I'll drop it... but ARod did b!tch about it to the Home Plate Umpire (prompted them to consult with one another and then issue the warning to both teams).  He also said something to the 2B umpire upon reaching 2B shortly after that.  

What was said?  We can't tell, but IMO --- his primadonna attitude makes this viewer think he was still complaining about getting hit/both teams being warned.  BUT, if he doesn't turn to his dugout for 30 seconds after being hit ---- the Umpires probably don't call out the warning.  This could have affected CC Sabathia's approach to right-handed hitters, as he also needs to pitch inside to them to establish the outside half of the plate/brush back hitters who lean over the plate.  

Its not a softball game --- the pitchers have a right to establish where they are going to pitch.  Thats just my opinoin anyhow.  Do I like ARod?  No.  Am I giving him a little bit harder of a time?  Maybe .... but at this point with his actions on/off the field (in addition to his contract), I don't feel like I can give him any benefit of the doubt.

Remember, this was a guy who let his agent alert the press to his decision to opt-out of the previous contract he had ---- during the World Series.   Players are NOT bigger than the game.  

A-Rod should have taken it and let his teammates back him up, no prompting should have been necessary.  He's been a better person and teammate since coming back from the hip. Maybe some old habits die hard with A-Rod.  If the Yanks win it all, fans should send flowers to Kate Hudson.

[JT]

You act as if the pitches that hit Rodriguez were no more than an inch or so off the plate.

Are you saying it's always dirty to go off-the-plate inside?

No, I'm not saying that.  I'm not even saying that throwing at a batter is illegal, because you already know that.

Brushback pitches do not equal beanballs.  Ever.

Right.  So?

It is illegal to throw at a batter.  It is illegal to throw at a batter's head, ass, or foot.

The pitches wouldn't be so far inside if ARod didn't hang his lead elbow over the plate.  He moved up on the plate three or four years ago when he stopped being able to drive the ball to the oppossite field with just his wrists.

This doesn't make a lot of sense.  The plate, not the batter, is the point of reference for measuring how far inside a pitch is.  The pitches that hit A-Rod would have been a foot off the plate no matter who was batting, or where he was standing.

Thus, if you want to throw him strikes on the outer-half (like Blanton's strikeout pitch) you have to move him off the plate by coming in.  Pitchers have only been using this strategy for 150 years, I can understand why you find it so apalling.

Fine, a pitcher is not permitted to throw at a batter.  Intentionally throwing at a batter is grounds for expulsion.  I think that A-Rod, getting plunked 3 times in 2 games, has legitimate grounds to suspect that the pitchers are throwing at him.

Let me ask you this question, is Blanton's pitch any dirtier than Rivera throwing his cutter off the plate to lefties?

Does Rivera throw at lefties?

Rivera comes inside.  He'll brush back when he needs to.  A few years ago, he had Manny almost jump out of his socks on a pitch about two inches inside and up. JT laughed his azz off.

[dlippiel]

Lot's of ****in baseball talk here....dlip is quite happy with the Yanks W last night and concurs with JT that he to would be ****in pissed if he was hit as much as he has been recently. dlip watches tons of baseball  and he has not seen many get hit that much in such a short period of time. Was he hit on purpose, no, but he was being pitched inside aggressively. SO who gives a **** either way the ****in guy is stepping up and playing serious ball here in the post season. And please don't give dlip the steroids **** with him because all of those assholes are on the roids. They are all shameful together, none more than the other.

[PBR...]

Lot's of ****in baseball talk here....dlip is quite happy with the Yanks W last night and concurs with JT that he to would be ****in pissed if he was hit as much as he has been recently. dlip watches tons of baseball  and he has not seen many get hit that much in such a short period of time. Was he hit on purpose, no, but he was being pitched inside aggressively. SO who gives a **** either way the ****in guy is stepping up and playing serious ball here in the post season. And please don't give dlip the steroids **** with him because all of those assholes are on the roids. They are all shameful together, none more than the other.

ryan howard aint juicin and isnt an azz either like a-roid....bonds got donked just as much and utley leads the league every year in doinks...comes w/ the territory, pbr is getting a nice hunk of limburger for a-roid to go w/ his whine...

['gro]

Jackson's pay went up 330% this decade (direct cash compensation from a little over $300k to $1.05MM) and overall comp, including benefits, went up 400%.  And Wall Street are the only guys out of touch on pay?  

Mark Gearan, who I think has been great for Hobart, made $536k all in last year ($420 cash, the rest in benefits), up from $212k all in (almost all cash) in his first full year (2000-2001) to live in Geneva.  

This is important because this is an operating expense and colleges have been jacking up tuition because they need to cover operating costs?  F***ing BS.  If they had just grown his income by 75% over that eight year period they would've save about $125k, or 2.5 full school students costs, per year.

PBR & PA-
The board is rewarding her for bringing in 1.6 billion dollars over the last 5 years.  I just feel bad for the individuals reduce from the RPI workforce at the same time.

A while back, I got this postcard from RPI basically patting themselves on the back for how great of a success the Rensselaer Plan was (this is the 5 year plan Jackson started when she got there)..  Here is a wakeup call RPI, we are not ranked any higher, we are not more competitive in the job market and there really hasn't been all that much change.  

Reg speaks the truth. She's put the plan in place, used her business/political ties to bring in some cash, but the hard part will be to deliver on those items reg listed
1. RPI makes a step change in academic standing (top 20 instead of top 50 in USNews rankings)
2. RPI grads are in high(er) demand by employers (or as the haters say, hot like pee)

She has a good story going, and uses that as leverage to raise her salary. People do this all the time, and most of the time this is about when they leave for "other opportunities". If she stays, and acutally tries to implement the plan that is laid out, she'll win some respect from Groseph G. Groberson III, just make it to more than 1 football game a year (not including the playoffs).

[Frank Rossi]

Jackson's pay went up 330% this decade (direct cash compensation from a little over $300k to $1.05MM) and overall comp, including benefits, went up 400%.  And Wall Street are the only guys out of touch on pay?  

Mark Gearan, who I think has been great for Hobart, made $536k all in last year ($420 cash, the rest in benefits), up from $212k all in (almost all cash) in his first full year (2000-2001) to live in Geneva.  

This is important because this is an operating expense and colleges have been jacking up tuition because they need to cover operating costs?  F***ing BS.  If they had just grown his income by 75% over that eight year period they would've save about $125k, or 2.5 full school students costs, per year.

PBR & PA-
The board is rewarding her for bringing in 1.6 billion dollars over the last 5 years.  I just feel bad for the individuals reduce from the RPI workforce at the same time.

A while back, I got this postcard from RPI basically patting themselves on the back for how great of a success the Rensselaer Plan was (this is the 5 year plan Jackson started when she got there)..  Here is a wakeup call RPI, we are not ranked any higher, we are not more competitive in the job market and there really hasn't been all that much change.  

Reg speaks the truth. She's put the plan in place, used her business/political ties to bring in some cash, but the hard part will be to deliver on those items reg listed
1. RPI makes a step change in academic standing (top 20 instead of top 50 in USNews rankings)
2. RPI grads are in high(er) demand by employers (or as the haters say, hot like pee)

She has a good story going, and uses that as leverage to raise her salary. People do this all the time, and most of the time this is about when they leave for "other opportunities". If she stays, and acutally tries to implement the plan that is laid out, she'll win some respect from Groseph G. Groberson III, just make it to more than 1 football game a year (not including the playoffs).

What's Gro's views on the I-AA/D-I rumors that have been running rampant related to RPI?