FB: Liberty League

['gro]

Hey... football talk. Maybe I'll stop by for a few. No luck trying to find a new board, nothing compares to the knowlege dropped in LLPP (although a field trip may have to be set up).

Gro doesn't have too much of a problem with it MUC in the east, they aren't much of an import geographically, especially if most of the playoff teams are from NY or NJ (read: not Mass). The D3 regions are kind of a joke anyway so why hold yourself to them.
That being said, if there is an undefeated Alfred and/or Albright gro feels they would be deserving of a #1 seed.

[Doid23]

many think the ranking system flawed

A few people who are fans of unranked teams don't like the poll, I get that. Nothing new there. That really, really is not equivalent to what you claim.

I think something else that needs to be remembered is that there are twice as many Division III teams as there are D-I FBS teams, so it's twice as hard for a team to make our poll as it is for one to make the AP or USA Today D-I poll. People's expectations needs to be different.

I personally am a fan of an unranked team (Union), but in no way, shape or form should they be ranked. I am not a fan at all of Alfred, it's just that when I see 1 eastern team (I don't consider Del Valley and eastern team) at #25, methinks that the poll is extremely skewed. I generally don't think much about polls, and don't get too upset over rankings, because it's almost impossible to rank different regions against each other with very few if any common opponents. But that's why including only 1 team in the rankings from the east is such an outlier to me.

[Pat Coleman]

many think the ranking system flawed

A few people who are fans of unranked teams don't like the poll, I get that. Nothing new there. That really, really is not equivalent to what you claim.

I think something else that needs to be remembered is that there are twice as many Division III teams as there are D-I FBS teams, so it's twice as hard for a team to make our poll as it is for one to make the AP or USA Today D-I poll. People's expectations needs to be different.

Fair enough than the way the Brackets and/or regions are set up needs to be different and consistent, like consisting of teams in the ****ing regions.

They're just brackets.

[Pat Coleman]

But that's why including only 1 team in the rankings from the east is such an outlier to me.

It's not even accurate, though, Doid23. Did you look at the poll at all? Or even read the follow-ups to the last time you claimed that?

could of sworn there was an east team at #20....

[Doid23]

But that's why including only 1 team in the rankings from the east is such an outlier to me.

It's not even accurate, though, Doid23. Did you look at the poll at all? Or even read the follow-ups to the last time you claimed that?

could of sworn there was an east team at #20....

I obviously read the follow up to my post, since I referenced it in my note when I said I don't consider Del Val, or Delaware, as part of the east. So did you read MY post at all? When New England/ NY/ NJ schools represent 55 or so out of 240 D3 football schools, and get 1 team ranked at #25, that's certainly not representative.

But why do you take everything so personally? Seriously, lighten up, why do you get so angry when anyone questions or disagrees with you. It's the difference between a discussion and an argument. These are discussions.

[AUPepBand]

Of course, Doid, you do understand that Delaware Valley College is located in Pennsylvania, not in Delaware. There are a lot of colleges in Pennsylvania that don't sound like Pennsylvania colleges.....like California, Indiana, West Chester, Washington and Jefferson, etc., etc.  

[Pat Coleman]

But that's why including only 1 team in the rankings from the east is such an outlier to me.

It's not even accurate, though, Doid23. Did you look at the poll at all? Or even read the follow-ups to the last time you claimed that?

could of sworn there was an east team at #20....

I obviously read the follow up to my post, since I referenced it in my note when I said I don't consider Del Val, or Delaware, as part of the east. So did you read MY post at all? When New England/ NY/ NJ schools represent 55 or so out of 240 D3 football schools, and get 1 team ranked at #25, that's certainly not representative.

But why do you take everything so personally? Seriously, lighten up, why do you get so angry when anyone questions or disagrees with you. It's the difference between a discussion and an argument. These are discussions.

I think you're assuming I take this personally and I really don't. I'm just defending the Web site and the hard work that 25 people across the country put into their poll.

So your little subset of the East region has one team. Play better next year. If you're Alfred, go schedule that 10th game. If you're Kean, beat Del Val. If you're Rowan, beat Cortland. Or Kean. If you're Union, beat Salisbury.

But if you take the East ... then you exclude the MAC ... then you exclude the ECFC and the NEFC, who don't have Top 25 teams except under the extreme Curry circumstance ... then most people exclude the NESCAC because the NESCAC excludes itself ... you have 24 teams from which you can really draw a Top 25 team.

That's not a big pool. The best team from that group is in the poll. If Kean had beaten Del Val it would be in the poll. If Union had beaten Muhlenberg and Salisbury, it would be in. But you have to show you're a Top 25 team and other than Alfred from the Doid Region, who has?

[labart96]

In other news, TGP is pinging on his contacts at Hobart re the status of an ECAC bid. 

Coaches are hopeful but don't really have a say.  More on this tomorrow.

[dlippiel]

many think the ranking system flawed

A few people who are fans of unranked teams don't like the poll, I get that. Nothing new there. That really, really is not equivalent to what you claim.

I think something else that needs to be remembered is that there are twice as many Division III teams as there are D-I FBS teams, so it's twice as hard for a team to make our poll as it is for one to make the AP or USA Today D-I poll. People's expectations needs to be different.

Fair enough than the way the Brackets and/or regions are set up needs to be different and consistent, like consisting of teams in the ****ing regions.

Dude, seriously...Why don't you get it?

because it ****in annoys dlip thats why and he likes to talk about it. The more he talks about it the more he learns about why its the way it is. Plus dlip isn't the only one questioning this rationale. For example the fact that these are considered "brackets" as opposed to "regions." dlip was not aware of that fact and thought the ....awe **** it...who gives a ****...

[lewdogg11]

many think the ranking system flawed

A few people who are fans of unranked teams don't like the poll, I get that. Nothing new there. That really, really is not equivalent to what you claim.

I think something else that needs to be remembered is that there are twice as many Division III teams as there are D-I FBS teams, so it's twice as hard for a team to make our poll as it is for one to make the AP or USA Today D-I poll. People's expectations needs to be different.

Fair enough than the way the Brackets and/or regions are set up needs to be different and consistent, like consisting of teams in the ****ing regions.

Dude, seriously...Why don't you get it?

because it ****in annoys dlip thats why and he likes to talk about it. The more he talks about it the more he learns about why its the way it is. Plus dlip isn't the only one questioning this rationale. For example the fact that these are considered "brackets" as opposed to "regions." dlip was not aware of that fact and thought the ....awe **** it...who gives a ****...

Imagine being a top 4 or 5 team and not getting a 1 seed?  1 thru 6 are all undefeated as well.

[maxpower]

Imagine being a top 4 or 5 team and not getting a 1 seed?  1 thru 6 are all undefeated as well.

THANK you.

[Doid23]

But that's why including only 1 team in the rankings from the east is such an outlier to me.

It's not even accurate, though, Doid23. Did you look at the poll at all? Or even read the follow-ups to the last time you claimed that?

could of sworn there was an east team at #20....

I obviously read the follow up to my post, since I referenced it in my note when I said I don't consider Del Val, or Delaware, as part of the east. So did you read MY post at all? When New England/ NY/ NJ schools represent 55 or so out of 240 D3 football schools, and get 1 team ranked at #25, that's certainly not representative.

But why do you take everything so personally? Seriously, lighten up, why do you get so angry when anyone questions or disagrees with you. It's the difference between a discussion and an argument. These are discussions.

I think you're assuming I take this personally and I really don't. I'm just defending the Web site and the hard work that 25 people across the country put into their poll.

So your little subset of the East region has one team. Play better next year. If you're Alfred, go schedule that 10th game. If you're Kean, beat Del Val. If you're Rowan, beat Cortland. Or Kean. If you're Union, beat Salisbury.

But if you take the East ... then you exclude the MAC ... then you exclude the ECFC and the NEFC, who don't have Top 25 teams except under the extreme Curry circumstance ... then most people exclude the NESCAC because the NESCAC excludes itself ... you have 24 teams from which you can really draw a Top 25 team.

That's not a big pool. The best team from that group is in the poll. If Kean had beaten Del Val it would be in the poll. If Union had beaten Muhlenberg and Salisbury, it would be in. But you have to show you're a Top 25 team and other than Alfred from the Doid Region, who has?

Doid Region...I like that. I would like to seed Mississippi College #1 in the Doid Region, and Union #8. Good points regarding the narrowing down of schools (NEFC, etc), I'll give you that.

As to the comment that east teams have to "play better", why doesn't a 2 loss Mississippi College team have to "play better" against a 4-4 team? Why doesn't Willamette have to "play better" during a loss to another 4-4 team? Why doesn't a 2 loss Northern team have to "play better"? Why doesn't Monmouth have to play a game against a quality opponent from out of conference/ region? Alfred has "played better", but now they have to play a 10th game.

Listen, I'm cool with the work the folks put into the poll, and like I said, by and large don't really get worked up about it because there is a playoff system. And honestly, I'm not an Alfred fan, and not sure how I even got involved in this discussion, because I'd be lying if I said I was passionate about it. But I'll stand by my comments that an undefeated Alfred team from a very representative conference should be higher than #25, and shouldn't be held to a different standard, than other teams from other regions. And that the East doesn't get much respect.

[dlippiel]

many think the ranking system flawed

A few people who are fans of unranked teams don't like the poll, I get that. Nothing new there. That really, really is not equivalent to what you claim.

I think something else that needs to be remembered is that there are twice as many Division III teams as there are D-I FBS teams, so it's twice as hard for a team to make our poll as it is for one to make the AP or USA Today D-I poll. People's expectations needs to be different.

Fair enough than the way the Brackets and/or regions are set up needs to be different and consistent, like consisting of teams in the ****ing regions.

Dude, seriously...Why don't you get it?

because it ****in annoys dlip thats why and he likes to talk about it. The more he talks about it the more he learns about why its the way it is. Plus dlip isn't the only one questioning this rationale. For example the fact that these are considered "brackets" as opposed to "regions." dlip was not aware of that fact and thought the ....awe **** it...who gives a ****...

Imagine being a top 4 or 5 team and not getting a 1 seed?  1 thru 6 are all undefeated as well.

dlip is getting the point and seemingly it makes sense and it is not that he wasn't getting it before he was just debating it. Honestly after reading some E8 posts and thinking about this whole situation dlip sees one clear cut answer: Teams from the East region must attempt to schedule as strong OOC/OOR teams as possible. dlip actually applauds SJF because they went out and did this. Obviously it didn't work out the way they wanted but they tried. Think about it, if SJF beat and/or played MUC very very close and homoginzed Salisbury then there would be very little room for debate regarding a possible #1 seed for Alfred if the Saxons beat the Cardinals. Even if Union beat Muhlenburg and Salisbury convincingly and ran the table in the LL they would have a possible gripe. The more dlip reads and thinks the more SOS seems to play a ****ing Billy Fuccillo HUGE role in a teams' favor of being considered for a higher seed. Still, dlip concurs with doid the east isn't getting the respect it should.

[Jonny Utah]

I think the main issue with these d3 polls is that we really don't have the cross over games to compare to.  So in that sense its a little unfair to pick it apart that much.  D1 has so much more cross country/region/bracket/doid games that you get a better picture.  Notre Dame loses to USC.  Notre Dame beats BC.  Oregon smokes USC. Va Tech loses to Alabama.  Boise St. beats Oregon.  Miami beats Oklahoma.  Plus you get to see these teams on TV in high Def.  That matters.

D3 you have SJF playing Mt. Union and thats about it.

The only thing that suprised me was that the pollsters had Ithaca ranked so high, but Alfred had more players coming back, plus a running back that was hurt last year but tore up the leage 2 years ago.  That to me is a real reason to rank Alfred a little higher.  (plus Ithaca had a close game with alfred last year)

But hey, I thought Ithaca should have fared a little better as well.  Second year QB, both running backs coming back.  Around half the defense and one WR returning. All american linebacker coming back.

[union89]

But that's why including only 1 team in the rankings from the east is such an outlier to me.

It's not even accurate, though, Doid23. Did you look at the poll at all? Or even read the follow-ups to the last time you claimed that?

could of sworn there was an east team at #20....

I obviously read the follow up to my post, since I referenced it in my note when I said I don't consider Del Val, or Delaware, as part of the east. So did you read MY post at all? When New England/ NY/ NJ schools represent 55 or so out of 240 D3 football schools, and get 1 team ranked at #25, that's certainly not representative.

But why do you take everything so personally? Seriously, lighten up, why do you get so angry when anyone questions or disagrees with you. It's the difference between a discussion and an argument. These are discussions.

I think you're assuming I take this personally and I really don't. I'm just defending the Web site and the hard work that 25 people across the country put into their poll.

So your little subset of the East region has one team. Play better next year. If you're Alfred, go schedule that 10th game. If you're Kean, beat Del Val. If you're Rowan, beat Cortland. Or Kean. If you're Union, beat Salisbury.

But if you take the East ... then you exclude the MAC ... then you exclude the ECFC and the NEFC, who don't have Top 25 teams except under the extreme Curry circumstance ... then most people exclude the NESCAC because the NESCAC excludes itself ... you have 24 teams from which you can really draw a Top 25 team.

That's not a big pool. The best team from that group is in the poll. If Kean had beaten Del Val it would be in the poll. If Union had beaten Muhlenberg and Salisbury, it would be in. But you have to show you're a Top 25 team and other than Alfred from the Doid Region, who has?

Doid Region...I like that. I would like to seed Mississippi College #1 in the Doid Region, and Union #8. Good points regarding the narrowing down of schools (NEFC, etc), I'll give you that.

As to the comment that east teams have to "play better", why doesn't a 2 loss Mississippi College team have to "play better" against a 4-4 team? Why doesn't Willamette have to "play better" during a loss to another 4-4 team? Why doesn't a 2 loss Northern team have to "play better"? Why doesn't Monmouth have to play a game against a quality opponent from out of conference/ region? Alfred has "played better", but now they have to play a 10th game.

Listen, I'm cool with the work the folks put into the poll, and like I said, by and large don't really get worked up about it because there is a playoff system. And honestly, I'm not an Alfred fan, and not sure how I even got involved in this discussion, because I'd be lying if I said I was passionate about it. But I'll stand by my comments that an undefeated Alfred team from a very representative conference should be higher than #25, and shouldn't be held to a different standard, than other teams from other regions. And that the East doesn't get much respect.

U89 agrees with Doid that an undefeated Alfred in the E8 should be higher than #25, but it will all wash out come playoff time.

Regarding DelVal and is Doid aware the school is in PA......I went to school with Doid.  I'm not sure Doid knows where Delaware is.

Again, Doid can hit the heck out of a whiffle ball.