FB: Liberty League

[Doid23]

C'mon, guys, you're ruining my enjoyment of the Yankee's winning the World Series.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I'm wrong, you're not at all. Hey, I'm a Jets, Knicks and Rangers fan as well, I'm certainly not going to feel bad about the Yankees. Being a Knicks fan means I definately understand that money alone doesn't win titles.

But, I do agree that Baseball needs fixing, the disparity is getting crazy. As happy as I am and will continue to be about the WS Title, there was a certain pride in the late 90's Yankee's titles, due to the fact that there were no big name free agent signings, just the Jimmy Keys, Charlie Hayes, and Scott Brosius' of the world.  But until it's fixed, the Yankees should continue to do what's right for their organization.

Oh, and the Red Sox suck.

[dlippiel]

C'mon, guys, you're ruining my enjoyment of the Yankee's winning the World Series.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I'm wrong, you're not at all. Hey, I'm a Jets, Knicks and Rangers fan as well, I'm certainly not going to feel bad about the Yankees. Being a Knicks fan means I definately understand that money alone doesn't win titles.

But, I do agree that Baseball needs fixing, the disparity is getting crazy. As happy as I am and will continue to be about the WS Title, there was a certain pride in the late 90's Yankee's titles, due to the fact that there were no big name free agent signings, just the Jimmy Keys, Charlie Hayes, and Scott Brosius' of the world.  But until it's fixed, the Yankees should continue to do what's right for their organization.

Oh, and the Red Sox suck.

How on Earth could you support the Yankees Doid?

[Jonny Utah]

C'mon, guys, you're ruining my enjoyment of the Yankee's winning the World Series.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I'm wrong, you're not at all. Hey, I'm a Jets, Knicks and Rangers fan as well, I'm certainly not going to feel bad about the Yankees. Being a Knicks fan means I definately understand that money alone doesn't win titles.

But, I do agree that Baseball needs fixing, the disparity is getting crazy. As happy as I am and will continue to be about the WS Title, there was a certain pride in the late 90's Yankee's titles, due to the fact that there were no big name free agent signings, just the Jimmy Keys, Charlie Hayes, and Scott Brosius' of the world.  But until it's fixed, the Yankees should continue to do what's right for their organization.

Oh, and the Red Sox suck.

How on Earth could you support the Yankees Doid?

Because hes an !*&!#!*

[Doid23]

C'mon, guys, you're ruining my enjoyment of the Yankee's winning the World Series.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I'm wrong, you're not at all. Hey, I'm a Jets, Knicks and Rangers fan as well, I'm certainly not going to feel bad about the Yankees. Being a Knicks fan means I definately understand that money alone doesn't win titles.

But, I do agree that Baseball needs fixing, the disparity is getting crazy. As happy as I am and will continue to be about the WS Title, there was a certain pride in the late 90's Yankee's titles, due to the fact that there were no big name free agent signings, just the Jimmy Keys, Charlie Hayes, and Scott Brosius' of the world.  But until it's fixed, the Yankees should continue to do what's right for their organization.

Oh, and the Red Sox suck.

How on Earth could you support the Yankees Doid?

Because hes an !*&!#!*

Wow, if I had feelings, that would hurt. Fortunately, I don't have any feelings, especially not regarding anything said by a dlipping Red Sox fan.

[SaintsFAN]

nice JD Drew no one likes him even his own teammates!! he is all about himself and his numbers just like billy wags!! phillies players were so glad when he went to the mets and became a cancer there is it coincedence the phils started winning the year wagner left? pbr says not...

pbr you remind me of my Philly-born and now Baltimore native buddy.  Good stuff.  Thats a compliment.

[JT]

Everyone buys players, dlip gets so ****in annoyed with the whinning about the Yanks. Please, nothing is a fair playing field in sports. The Yanks money comes from revenue as a result of team interest, fan base, and mother****ers that are willing to pay because the game means more to them, it's a higher priority. ****, listen to NY Sports talk radio, they talk abaseball almost 12 months of the year. If you can charge that much for a ticket and people pay it who is to blame? Both parties actually but still if people are willing to spend the type of $ in these big markets it represents their passion for the game and their team. This Yanks team had cohesion, cosistency, character, steroids (of course all teams do today, and talent and thats why they won. They buying the team argument is old, tired and piss poor bitching.

Dlip,

Yankee money comes from having the luxury of being 12 miles north of the financial capital of the world.  Its not the same anywhere else.  Congrats to the Yanks... and SF agrees with LD --- its NOT a level playing field, but Yanks are playing that field better than everyone else is.

Dude this is common knowledge, of course it's not fair, dlip never said it was. However there are plenty of Big Market cities, with money, that don't have the fan base, support, and interest of the Yanks. Why don;t the ****in Mets win year in and year out? All dlip is saying is the ****ing complaining about the Yanks is ild and tired and com****ingpletely unorigional. If Terd Dogg feels dlip is whinning because he can't ****ing stand anti-yankee whinners than so be it. dlip doesn't have to take his ****.

The Mets just suck... its science.

[JT]

gro could not sleep last night and was flipping through the channels around midnight and saw a bunch of guys in white pajamas with blue stripes yelling and celebrating like they won something... anyone catch that? Mr. Fergusen? 

Yeah I saw it.  It was amazing how genuine they tried made the celebration look.  About 4 were genuine, the rest are posers.

That is rich coming from a Bahston fan.  C'mon LewDoggie, you guys are one in the same.  Nobody is fooling anybody else here.  Let the offseason sweepstakes begin!!

1 WS in 10 years after spending BILLIONS of dollars.  I'd be more embarrassed to be a fan than anything.

That's why they play the games.  Titles aren't guaranteed.  Actually, this team was more like the Yankees of the 90's than any other Yankee team since 2001.

Because they were the highest paid team in the league?  Or because they actually won the world series this year?

Because they have players that add to team chemistry, instead of detract from it.

because they cant develop their own talent they buy everyone else's....capitalism at its finest...they have made over 1/2 of mlb's teams their minor league and let everyone else draft well and develop talent then buy up whoever is good...shame mlb owners cant see the problem, would of been much smarter to take the nfl model long ago....

The core of the Yankees talent is homegrown.
Jeter
Posada
Rivera
Petite
Hughes
Cano
Cabrera
Robertson
Chamberlain

Yes they spent a Dlipload of money on free agents but they are playing within the rules and until Bud Selig and the rest of the good ol boys club change the rules it will remain this way.  They spent stupidly for several years but Cashman was able to convince George and the boys to let him do it his way and with the exception of Hank negotiating the Arod deal Cashman has built the team intellegently and for the long run.

They won't change the rules.  That would mean that certain teams would have to spend more money on their ballclubs.  Those owners would rather pocket the cash every year, then go into deficit to compete.

huh...so the pirates and yanks have the same revenue stream coming in? the pirates try competing w/ the yanks and sign 3 players for $250 million is probably more than their club is worth...being a business owner i hope you see the logic for them in not doing that....

Teams can compete with lower budgets (see the Twins).... many teams don't ever try.  Pirates were having a team fire sale this year, that wasn't necessary.

[Knightstalker]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

[Doid23]

C'mon, guys, you're ruining my enjoyment of the Yankee's winning the World Series.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I'm wrong, you're not at all. Hey, I'm a Jets, Knicks and Rangers fan as well, I'm certainly not going to feel bad about the Yankees. Being a Knicks fan means I definately understand that money alone doesn't win titles.

But, I do agree that Baseball needs fixing, the disparity is getting crazy. As happy as I am and will continue to be about the WS Title, there was a certain pride in the late 90's Yankee's titles, due to the fact that there were no big name free agent signings, just the Jimmy Keys, Charlie Hayes, and Scott Brosius' of the world.  But until it's fixed, the Yankees should continue to do what's right for their organization.

Oh, and the Red Sox suck.

How on Earth could you support the Yankees Doid?

Because I believe in all that is right in this world of ours. I believe in America, (start background humming of the battle hymn of the republic), and everything it represents, from freedom to capitalism to democracy. I believe in hope, and the ability to determine ones destiny through hard work. And I believe that it was my destiny to marry a woman from a family of Red Sox fans, and turn her into a Yankees fan.  I believe in the joy of the little things in life, such as watching Aaron Boone hit the Game 7 ALCS home run in the company of the aforemention in-laws, and the joy of not having to say a word except for "good night". Things such as my 8 year old son refusing to watch a single inning of a Red Sox game with his grandfather the entire summer, unless they were playing the Yankees. Or my wifes grandmother uttering until the day she died "I can't believe (my wife) married a damn Yankee fan". It is these things that I cherish and hold dear, and why I support the Yankees.

Oh, and because the Red Sox suck.

[PBR...]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

[PBR...]

gro could not sleep last night and was flipping through the channels around midnight and saw a bunch of guys in white pajamas with blue stripes yelling and celebrating like they won something... anyone catch that? Mr. Fergusen? 

Yeah I saw it.  It was amazing how genuine they tried made the celebration look.  About 4 were genuine, the rest are posers.

That is rich coming from a Bahston fan.  C'mon LewDoggie, you guys are one in the same.  Nobody is fooling anybody else here.  Let the offseason sweepstakes begin!!

1 WS in 10 years after spending BILLIONS of dollars.  I'd be more embarrassed to be a fan than anything.

That's why they play the games.  Titles aren't guaranteed.  Actually, this team was more like the Yankees of the 90's than any other Yankee team since 2001.

Because they were the highest paid team in the league?  Or because they actually won the world series this year?

Because they have players that add to team chemistry, instead of detract from it.

because they cant develop their own talent they buy everyone else's....capitalism at its finest...they have made over 1/2 of mlb's teams their minor league and let everyone else draft well and develop talent then buy up whoever is good...shame mlb owners cant see the problem, would of been much smarter to take the nfl model long ago....

The core of the Yankees talent is homegrown.
Jeter
Posada
Rivera
Petite
Hughes
Cano
Cabrera
Robertson
Chamberlain

Yes they spent a Dlipload of money on free agents but they are playing within the rules and until Bud Selig and the rest of the good ol boys club change the rules it will remain this way.  They spent stupidly for several years but Cashman was able to convince George and the boys to let him do it his way and with the exception of Hank negotiating the Arod deal Cashman has built the team intellegently and for the long run.

They won't change the rules.  That would mean that certain teams would have to spend more money on their ballclubs.  Those owners would rather pocket the cash every year, then go into deficit to compete.

huh...so the pirates and yanks have the same revenue stream coming in? the pirates try competing w/ the yanks and sign 3 players for $250 million is probably more than their club is worth...being a business owner i hope you see the logic for them in not doing that....

Teams can compete with lower budgets (see the Twins).... many teams don't ever try.  Pirates were having a team fire sale this year, that wasn't necessary.

absolutely it was necessary...the pirates have several very good young players on the current roster and 1-2 more coming up next year. they know they wont be able to keep them all so in order to sign a few of them to longer term deals they had to clear as much as possible off their current payroll. 

[dlippiel]

C'mon, guys, you're ruining my enjoyment of the Yankee's winning the World Series.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I'm wrong, you're not at all. Hey, I'm a Jets, Knicks and Rangers fan as well, I'm certainly not going to feel bad about the Yankees. Being a Knicks fan means I definately understand that money alone doesn't win titles.

But, I do agree that Baseball needs fixing, the disparity is getting crazy. As happy as I am and will continue to be about the WS Title, there was a certain pride in the late 90's Yankee's titles, due to the fact that there were no big name free agent signings, just the Jimmy Keys, Charlie Hayes, and Scott Brosius' of the world.  But until it's fixed, the Yankees should continue to do what's right for their organization.

Oh, and the Red Sox suck.

How on Earth could you support the Yankees Doid?

Because I believe in all that is right in this world of ours. I believe in America, (start background humming of the battle hymn of the republic), and everything it represents, from freedom to capitalism to democracy. I believe in hope, and the ability to determine ones destiny through hard work. And I believe that it was my destiny to marry a woman from a family of Red Sox fans, and turn her into a Yankees fan.  I believe in the joy of the little things in life, such as watching Aaron Boone hit the Game 7 ALCS home run in the company of the aforemention in-laws, and the joy of not having to say a word except for "good night". Things such as my 8 year old son refusing to watch a single inning of a Red Sox game with his grandfather the entire summer, unless they were playing the Yankees. Or my wifes grandmother uttering until the day she died "I can't believe (my wife) married a damn Yankee fan". It is these things that I cherish and hold dear, and why I support the Yankees.

Oh, and because the Red Sox suck.

Dude, you know dlip was being sarcastic here. Now here is where Dogg should have hammered dlip. This was a sarcastic bitch post where dlip was being a baby, sorry fellas!

[Knightstalker]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

And if the Phils did the same thing or the Sox then people wouldn't be bitching.

What people forget is when Baseball was implementing revenue sharing Steinbrenner bitched about having to share his money with other teams, but the main reason for his bitching was he wanted to ensure that the teams had to spend the money on the teams but the other owners did not want that restriction. 

Baseball does need a salary cap but they also need a salary floor to prevent teams from selling off all the talent so the owners can pocket more money.

[PBR...]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

And if the Phils did the same thing or the Sox then people wouldn't be bitching.

What people forget is when Baseball was implementing revenue sharing Steinbrenner bitched about having to share his money with other teams, but the main reason for his bitching was he wanted to ensure that the teams had to spend the money on the teams but the other owners did not want that restriction. 

Baseball does need a salary cap but they also need a salary floor to prevent teams from selling off all the talent so the owners can pocket more money.

agree wholeheartedly KS....and pbr is b|tching...said earlier pbr likes having lee but it isnt right.....its not like phils drafted him or made a equal trade for him. the indians had to trade him because they know they would get nothing for him next year leading into his free agency year. its ridiculous that teams now have to structure their rosters this way. much like the nfl they need a cap/floor plus revenue sharing. shame such a great game is losing fans as each generation moves on....

[lewdogg11]

Explain how the Twins in a small market can manage to compete every year, or other small market teams.  They know they will lose players to Chicago, New York, Boston, LA, even Philly and Atlanta but they invest their sharing money and gate receipts into the farm system and scouting system.  They spend the money on their team.  The owners in KC, Pittsburgh, Washington, Baltimore and many other towns pocket the money and whine about the inequity.  Steinbrenner keeps his businesses seperate and does not use money from the shipbuilding company on the Yankees and vice versa.

The Phillies need to spend a little money this offseason.  They need to keep Lee and shore up their rotation and bullpen, otherwise they are pretty much set.

so 1 small team out of how many are "successful" and nothings wrong? when was the last time the successful twins won the world series? read a great article not too long ago (see pbr can find the link) where they interviewed several small market gm's talking about this....there margin for error is so small because if they miss on 1 or 2 drafts their team is done for a long time because they dont have the money the yanks do to go sign top free agents. it puts tons of pressure to make every draft pick count,  which is double tough when the yanks have endless resources to scout/watch every last baseball game in central/south america and the caribbean. yes pbr likes cliff lee a lot but its ridiculous to me that cleveland had this fantastic roster a few years ago to have it picked apart by vultures. truly sad if your a g.m. when you know u draft a great player or found a gold nugget in the late rounds of the draft knowing you will lose him in a couple of years to the yanks...

And if the Phils did the same thing or the Sox then people wouldn't be bitching.

What people forget is when Baseball was implementing revenue sharing Steinbrenner bitched about having to share his money with other teams, but the main reason for his bitching was he wanted to ensure that the teams had to spend the money on the teams but the other owners did not want that restriction. 

Baseball does need a salary cap but they also need a salary floor to prevent teams from selling off all the talent so the owners can pocket more money.

agree wholeheartedly KS....and pbr is b|tching...said earlier pbr likes having lee but it isnt right.....its not like phils drafted him or made a equal trade for him. the indians had to trade him because they know they would get nothing for him next year leading into his free agency year. its ridiculous that teams now have to structure their rosters this way. much like the nfl they need a cap/floor plus revenue sharing. shame such a great game is losing fans as each generation moves on....

He'll look as wonderful as the rest in a Yankee uni next year.